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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:59 PM Original message |
If you lived in Canada, you would HAVE to pay for MANDATORY health care |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. Healthcare or insurance? |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. Insurance. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #41 |
57. Right, thanks... the "government-run" before "insurance" makes all the difference. |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. Don't say "MANDATORY health care" - you don't have that in Canada, |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. "Mandatory health care" meaning, you HAVE to contribute |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. (I did guess that's what you might have meant.) |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Here in the U.S., we have to contribute to WAR.... |
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Macchendra (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
39. or be fined? |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Umm worse |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 05:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
55. And you can access the healthcare, If you need it.. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
76. To me, one of the above seems forced, the other seems like a requirement. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
3. You forgot one small detail. |
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Macchendra (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
37. Dismiss it as a dislike of the person... that's what bush would do |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
4. I think how much you currently owe for medical bills should be |
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angstlessk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
5. BUT, if it is insurance rather than health care..does not matter how much or how little |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. Except in Canada your taxes don't go up if your sick. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Under Hillary's plan, insurance companies can no longer charge higher rates for those with |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Where did it say that? |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. I'll quote it off the document on her website: |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. This is what she says in her pdf |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. Why waste billions on insurance companies as middle-men? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Oh I think we all know why. |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Amen. |
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Hieronymus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
66. Insurance companies are the reason the US spends twice what France spends |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
59. She said they could not EXCLUDE you.. not that they would not charge you more |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
8. Does the Canadian Government administer,or do private insurance companies-just curious? |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. That is a VERY valid point, but I'm directing this post at the people who |
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ncabot22 (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. I think the fear is... |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. I agree that insurance companies are the problem, however |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 01:19 AM Response to Reply #29 |
52. That is *not* what DUers are complaining about! |
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sagesnow (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
74. Edwards said last Sunday ... |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Privately owned hospitals are FUNDED by the government |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. yes, it is pretty simple |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. It is run by each provincial government. |
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Lisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
49. exactly -- the provincial governments issue plastic cards ... |
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ncabot22 (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. The government takes care of health care in Canada |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
10. Canada you have Health Care, whether you can afford it or not. The US has |
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sicksicksick_N_tired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
13. I do not have a problem with that as long as the corporacrats aren't BLEEDING US DEAD. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
14. Hillary's plan would be far more costly than extending |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
51. You got it, she wants to keep her contributors fat and happy, at our expense, |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 04:11 AM Response to Reply #14 |
53. Payroll tax = penalize employement |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
19. In 2003, in BC, I paid $72 per month for a family |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. Information about Canadian income tax rates for 2003 |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. And they don't even get a world-dominating military for it |
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Lisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
48. another BCer here -- there are also subsidies available for those MSP premiums |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #19 |
50. What if you have no earned income? No job? Then what? |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. Hillary has said that she will release more details regarding people who can't afford it |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #50 |
75. Well, you don't pay at all if you make less than 20k |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
25. Our country already pays tons in healthcare |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
45. My OP isn't necessarily about cost, it's about the hypocracy of those who want "choice" |
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Forrest Greene (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
26. Shucks. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
27. Yeah, but you'd have to pay MUCH LESS |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. True, but you can't expect to reform the system overnight |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 05:16 AM Response to Reply #27 |
54. just the reduction of paperwork |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
31. But we'd know how much we're paying |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Well, actually, in Canada you're not shown how much of your income tax goes directly to health care |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Well that's not what I said |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. How much you pay will obviousley depend on many factors |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
36. Where is HRC's plan? |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
38. yeah--and it's a lot less than insurance premiums here in the states. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
44. Are your deducts and co-pays also based on how much you can pay? n/t |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
47. (aside) All employees and employers pay into Medicare today. 1.45% of wages, each. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 05:42 AM Response to Original message |
56. Same here in the UK. We all pay in. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. You all pay in, but it's not private, for-profit insurance companies is it? |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. The topic isn't about the morality of insurance companies, it's about |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. You're being intentionally disingenuous. I hope. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Of course they are bitching about having to pay |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:35 PM Original message |
A little help for you... check post 23 for clarification. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
70. That one comment doesn't prove that people aren't bitching about having to contribute |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. That was the person who posted the OP. |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
63. what if ur unemployed and submit no taxes? |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Hillary has stated that she will be releasing more details soon, focusing on that question |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. the mega rich should pay for you |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. No, under Clinton's system, WE pay THEM! |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
67. having lived in Canada, they seemed to have a nice health system |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. As a Canadian, I agree |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
68. Right now you have to pay through taxes, and you pay more. |
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