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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:35 AM Original message |
My ultimate issue with Hillary Clinton: |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
1. She's not my first choice. But she is a very smart person. And her husband, also a smart person, |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. They are smart... |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
34. I've dealt with Rhodeses and lawyers from top schools. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. There's a big difference between being "smart" |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
66. well, just as long as they share MY vision. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
90. I couldn't agree with you more. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:42 AM Response to Original message |
2. The next President WILL face an enormous challenge. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
3. That is a very succinct and astute analysis of some of my concerns as well Great post.! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:52 AM Response to Original message |
5. tax credits to solve health care? |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. In all fairness, none of the top tier candidates are approaching that with |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:18 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Most are doing better than tax credits n/t |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:18 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. This is true... |
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MiaCulpa (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 06:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
25. What about it don't you like? |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Because the insurance companies have too much power |
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MiaCulpa (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
73. The insurance companies |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #7 |
37. Your post struck me..why |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #37 |
52. Because he hasn't even been able to break through |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Aha! Basic |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I have... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Ohhh, it was an Amazing Movie! |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 12:43 AM Response to Reply #67 |
101. Okay, yeah...I was sniffling at the end. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. Thanks, I just moved |
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MiaCulpa (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:26 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. In all fairness, |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:55 AM Response to Original message |
6. Biden was a visionary regarding his exit plan for Iraq. He's been promoting |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Good points... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I wouldn't call someone who sponsors idiotic, draconian legislation like the RAVE act "visionary" |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:21 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. HE was involved in that shit? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:23 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. He was BEHIND it. Feh. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:30 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I wasn't aware of that... |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
81. By all means, discount a candidate's contributions and focus on a fuck-up. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #81 |
97. That's a MAJOR fuck-up in my book... |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #97 |
107. Don't get me started on the War on Drugs -- I'll end up sounding like a Libertarian. |
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Froward69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
68. that would bring 15 -50% of republicans |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #68 |
80. Has it? It's been struck down as unconstitutional? Really? I'm actually happy to |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
77. Yeah, I don't like RAVE, either. I don't like it A LOT. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #77 |
98. To a large degree, the PEOPLE already have come around... |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
87. Biden was not the only candidate to sponsor this bill ---- |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. C'mon. We all know this thing was Biden's baby. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Of course I would support Dennis - I really like him. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Biden's a smart dude, I'll grant you that. I think if it weren't for Iraq, |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Was he visionary enough to oppose it in the first place? |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
39. Those are good qualites of Biden.. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #39 |
72. I had the same question and concerns as I'd heard the charge that |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Thank you, I appreciate that! |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. I know -- I do feel it's been detrimental to those who are in need -- especially |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Yeah, I'm not a money person.. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
41. Actually, lithium-ion batteries can combine with higher mileage |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
70. I'm with you on the reticence regarding bio fuels. And I think I've heard of |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #70 |
92. I agree that hydrocarbons will play a smaller and smaller role |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
82. Biden has the highest ranking of all the candidates running from the |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info. n/t |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:38 AM Response to Original message |
17. I'm less worried |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:45 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I'm not making any comparisons with what we have now... |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 05:03 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. That's a valid point, I agree |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 05:12 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. True... |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:54 AM Response to Reply #21 |
103. I think they all recongize that fact |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
44. You mean it's time to stop |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #44 |
53. Damn straight it is... |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 05:11 AM Response to Original message |
20. I think my problems are a little deeper |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 05:14 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I think we need courage and imagination... |
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Rydz777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 05:48 AM Response to Original message |
23. I've made a point of not criticizing any of the Democratic candidates, |
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greymattermom (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 06:05 AM Response to Original message |
24. wow |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Right now a LOT of the new discoveries in medicine |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
26. I don't see much of the visionary in any of them to be honest. |
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Ninga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
27. I agree. And add to your thoughts 'leadership". In other words, getting people to |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
28. I'm still waiting for someone to lead on a "vision" of publicly financed campaigns! |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
31. In a nutshell, she's not Al Gore. |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
32. My ultimate issue is that she's a DLC member. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I don't think she's as bad as any Republican... |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. IMO, neocon enablers are worse than neocons |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. There ya go. A republican would be better than Clinton. |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Spin, twist, distort |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. No spin. It follows from the meanings of "worse" (your word) and "better" (my word). |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #35 |
48. I'm not happy about it. being HER.. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #35 |
49. You're right..when you're |
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lateo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
63. Exactly. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
40. My problem with Clinton is that she is a right-center corporatist |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Totally! i HATE right-center corporatists with 92% progressive voting records. Assholes. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Your progressive isn't the same as mine. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. It's not *my* progressive. And I didn't say you said you hated Clinton. |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
42. "Vision" is a marketing tool |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Regardless of the motivation in that matter |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
50. Everybody's looking for a savior these days. It's one of the great American failings. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. We don't need a savior |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. If by "approval" you mean "third or fourth choice", then sure, savior-seeker.... |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Neither "leader" nor "visionary" |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Yah it does, despite the pedantic observation that they're not dictionary-equivalent. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. No, I DON'T like Clinton... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. (shrug) And those are my *good* qualities. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
62. Not visionary??? |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Yes...she was worried about Grand Theft Auto |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 02:04 AM Response to Reply #62 |
102. And don't forget the RAVE act |
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MBS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
64. I agree n/t |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
69. I think she will act on the environmnet. It's her own future as well as ours... |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
89. Which... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
75. She seems to over think things a lot. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. I'm working with your mom to soften you up |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. LOL! |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #75 |
88. I know, right? That's America's problem right there - people thinking too much. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. . . . |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
76. My ONLY issue is that she's not trustworthy. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #76 |
85. Yeah, I don't trust her... |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #76 |
86. My ONLY issue is that she can't win |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
99. Bill Clinton was the best REPUBLICAN president we ever had. For being essentially status quo, |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Yup...n/t |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:08 AM Response to Original message |
104. the problem with Hillary is that she's an authoritarian corporatist . . . |
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ForeignSpectator (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:37 AM Response to Original message |
105. She will bring the change... |
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