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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:16 PM Original message |
So, feminists, what do you think masculinity is? |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. This should get long |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
229. It's the thread that just keeps on giving! |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's a word. n/t |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Indeed it is. My query pertained to the *meaning* of this word... |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Meanings. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
129. You are well-named. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Then it would have to be the outward expression |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. Gay or straight, masculinity is about domination |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. As much as I'd like to be touchy feely and progressive about |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
93. But are "present constructs" the real thing, what it is in itself? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
102. Or protecting and providing, depends on your viewpoint. n/t |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Oh dear. |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Top or bottom? The masculine experience ain't exclusively male |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. Both, and neither. |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Top and bottom at the same time? Sounds like a threesome |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
86. ... er.... |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #86 |
123. Here's an article that'll explain it to you |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #123 |
162. ... er.... |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:26 AM Response to Reply #162 |
205. Right here ... it's explicit |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 05:13 AM Response to Reply #205 |
215. I think I see where wires are crossing between us... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 09:03 AM Response to Reply #34 |
217. What about topping from the bottom? |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. So is anything associated with men good or even acceptable |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Whoah, don't put value judgements on nature ... for example |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. noticed you didn't answer the question... |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. What question? What is masculinity? Sure I did n/t |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
173. Yeah... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Way too simplistic. Pick out the dominating asshole--Gandhi or Indira Gandhi |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. You're confusing biology wth gender roles. Indira was a warrior |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Ayn Rand? Margaret Thatcher? Catherine the Great? Cleopatra? |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Oh dear ... not a submissive female among em |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Loving luxury and causing oppression and death is just being a strong woman? |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Why does domination have to imply oppression and death? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Isn't your argument that those women are "masculine?" To my mind they're human. |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. My argument is that those women played a public role - and it wasn't |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. That's fair enough, but I don't see powerful, in-control women as being "masculine" at all |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:04 PM Original message |
I wish gender roles were illusory, but nurturing is a feminine trait |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #28 |
82. masculinity is a role, not a reflection of biology. |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #28 |
85. I don't really buy that, I'm afraid. |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #85 |
127. Ah, the human brain is indeed flexible. I was born right handed |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
95. Why "confusing"? |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #95 |
128. Fortunately for me, we are |
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Riktor (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #95 |
175. Biology doesn't determine roles, per se |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. The Power of the Evil Penis. |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. As I female, I find your reaction amusing |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
40. No wonder women are unhappy. They are surrounded by evil. |
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Ariana Celeste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
67. lmao |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. No. Domination has been assigned to masculinity in some cultures |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Got an example of a society where females dominate? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Now you have to define domination. |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Women who wear wealth don't necessarily dominate |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. And, you'd still have to define domination. |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
61. Why? I recognize when a dominating persona is appropriate, don't you? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. So, you are now defining domination as a psychological function |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #65 |
120. A social role that emerges from meiosis ... sexual reproduction |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:57 PM Response to Reply #120 |
149. Social roles don't emerge from sexual reproduction or |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 06:02 PM Response to Reply #149 |
154. Life isn't about uniformity ... you see reflections of influences |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #154 |
157. Your terms are squishy, Fredda. Might want to look into that. n/t |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 09:05 AM Response to Reply #120 |
218. Huh? Domination emerges from sexual reproduction? |
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Tian Zhuangzhuang (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
70. Yeah but the small town boys weren't good at basketball. |
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Riktor (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #33 |
176. None of those apply |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #176 |
187. So, you are defining domination as political power? |
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Riktor (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #187 |
196. Not really |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
121. what do you mean by |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:22 AM Response to Reply #121 |
204. Dominant/submissive taking turns, not gender bending |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
180. Deleted message |
musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
6. in the words of a band beloved |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. Well, that's true... |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
83. i do not buy into the "hard-wired" bit |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. Yes, I do think that there is a gender-based influence on my psychology.... |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #90 |
116. I agree |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
11. More and more, I think "masculinity" like "femininity" |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
31. Agreed. 'Comfortable in your own skin' sums it up nicely. n/t |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 09:34 AM Response to Reply #11 |
223. I think that's a good way of putting it. |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
15. Being able to hammer a nail over your head. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. You don't have a step ladder? |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. I have to have the nail at chest level or lower to get the right angle on it. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. When I was a single mom, my girlfriend got annoyed with me |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. Yeah, I hate to see women choking up on a hammer. No TAPPING!! n/t |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
22. The way this question is phrased isn't confrontational at all |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. I certainly hope so. |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 06:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
161. Oh. I didn't think you were being sarcastic at all. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
25. IMO, the Y chromosome says it all to me. |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
38. Why would anyone have a problem with masculinity. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
41. Is this an anatomical question? n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Not necessarily. n/t |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I'm going to say it is. |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Miracle Whip eater. n/t |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. The South has risen again, eh? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Doesn't that sort of exclude identity, role and practice? |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
66. Those are all manifestations. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. I'll have to think about that. I love this nice, complicated question. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. their traditional outlets have become more benign. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:17 PM Original message |
Sure, and the trade off is, the minute we had feminism |
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #48 |
64. Is femininity the body's reaction to estrogen? |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. read my post above you. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
97. Yes, estrogen and progesterone and the one connected with nursing, |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #97 |
152. yeah, it was WILD |
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UncleSepp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 09:45 PM Response to Reply #48 |
188. What about people who are masculine before T? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
78. For all those who think it takes "balls" to have moral fortitude it is. nt |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
43. The ability of someone to live up to a definition which is a mere societal image now |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #43 |
56. This is sort of fascinating because the categories explode. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:00 PM Original message |
Hulk Hogan type |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
62. And, he's was my very favorite super hero. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Indeed, I agree - however |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Maybe Cleita has it right. Representative of Chrom X or Y. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Perhaps just a new, less sex driven word to define what it once did |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #62 |
111. How interesting. I've always thought of elephants as very feminine creatures... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #111 |
146. In Spanish as well. It's the masculine air and the feminine rain. |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 04:33 AM Response to Reply #146 |
213. I must confess my ignorance, but was under the impression... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #213 |
236. Those are the only ones I'm at all familiar with. Anybody speak German? |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #236 |
244. I speak it |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #111 |
224. I've yet to figure out why my head is feminine, but my stomach is masculine. |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
44. My cat walked across the keyboard and I lost my post |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. This is a good answer. |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. There are aspects of the male/female social dynamic that I enjoy. |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #44 |
230. Doesn't that depend on where the pressure comes from? |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
45. My serious answer |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #45 |
75. Yes! |
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emmadoggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
98. Awww. |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #98 |
136. He is and it is. |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
131. Good answer |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 10:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
193. Rats!!! It's like I was saying on another thread... |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
58. A guy doesn't have to be tough to be masculine. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
59. There are a few traits that I feel are genetic and spring from my maleness |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #59 |
84. I relate to this. I also feel that some aspects of masculinity are hard-wired |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #84 |
122. I generally favor fiction where the stakes are high, |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #122 |
150. My husband does that!! With the walls!! |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #59 |
145. Men's brains are literally wired differently from a womans. |
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
60. I think |
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Ariana Celeste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
63. I don't like the term 'masculine' any more than 'feminine' |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
72. If a man does it, it is a masculine activity |
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UncleSepp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 09:52 PM Response to Reply #72 |
189. Love ya, Nobody! |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
76. A masculine man is a responsible adult who takes responsibility for his actions. nt |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #76 |
105. Is a feminine female the opposite of that? nt |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #105 |
115. I think it's a question of emphasis rather than opposition. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
77. I think it refers to the aspects of men that are different from women. |
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StClone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #77 |
92. Masculine = Male |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
80. two definitions |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #80 |
132. Yes, I agree. Perhaps you would agree with the term "occulted masculinity"? |
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Tian Zhuangzhuang (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
81. I'm not a real feminist but like most men I claim to be one |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
87. Masculinity is simply the quality of maleness |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
88. It's a lot of things. |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #88 |
159. ... not entirely... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #159 |
166. Ok. Masculinity |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
89. i LOVE masculinity -- i'm even masculine sometimes myself. |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
91. No sign of Katherine so far... |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 07:57 PM Response to Reply #91 |
170. I posted. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
94. Is "femininity" best defined by men? |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. Good question! |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #101 |
109. Implicit is the assumption that "feminists" = "those who pay close attention to issues of gender" |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #94 |
103. ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Not only is feminism not best defined by men, |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Well, he is a *little* bit outdated, yes. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. Well said. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. Of course not, and I don't expect it to. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. And to correct this, we should seek a working definition of "masculine" from feminists? n/t |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #114 |
118. It's exactly the same thing for men: YOU have the final say |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #112 |
126. On this point you and I agree completely. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. I realize it was a rhetorical question, |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #94 |
137. Did you know that almost all men find a certain ratio of hip to waist size attractive? |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #137 |
144. We certainly shouldn't leave it up to "the guys" |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #144 |
147. Women. In study after study men are attracted to women that other women |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #147 |
164. Funny, cause I'm.. |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. There is no accounting for taste. |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 07:33 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. haha |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #144 |
148. And I'll thank the ladies very much for not telling ME what to find attractive, and what not.... |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #148 |
151. WHO the hell is Monica Bellucci?? No...let me guess...n/t |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #151 |
153. Just got back from Google...God, men are SO predictable...n/t |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 06:03 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. It's our nature. (guffaw) |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #155 |
160. ha....ha...ha n/t |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
96. Impossible to say |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Well, I don't really agree with that. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
100. I am the only female in an all male workgroup |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. well.... |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. I like working with technical men |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #100 |
113. My wife works at a machine shop with all men. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #113 |
134. Given a choice between working with all women |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #100 |
124. Girls do every day. That's why Barbie's waistline is pernicious n/t |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #100 |
237. A lot of women do question their femininity. nt |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
108. Peeing on the furniture. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
117. It's as hard to define as femininity. |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. Yes, I did ask for a definition, didn't I? |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 07:56 PM Response to Reply #119 |
169. Yeah.... |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
125. A social construct designed to control men, just as femininity is a social construct designed |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #125 |
135. For once, I agree with you. nt |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 07:57 PM Response to Reply #135 |
172. That's good to hear :) |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #125 |
142. I wonder if you and I are thinking of the same thing. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #142 |
174. I think that simplifying human personalities and interactions to a biological level |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #174 |
179. Totally. |
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Riktor (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #174 |
182. I agree... and disagree |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #182 |
220. Excellent. Thank you for that. n/t |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 09:51 AM Response to Reply #182 |
225. In that case, it looks like a class issue. |
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Riktor (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #225 |
240. Essentially |
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warren pease (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #125 |
163. Yes and yes again... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 09:15 AM Response to Reply #125 |
219. I think that the patriarchy is a social construct designed to control men and women. |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #219 |
234. Nicely put... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
133. The easiest thing for academic feminists to do in the face of such an awkward question... |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #133 |
138. That's no fun. I LIKE masculinity. I like flirting with it and I like watching it lift heavy stuff. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Not an academic feminist, at any rate. :) |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #138 |
221. LOL! |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #133 |
251. Do you just like making stuff up? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
140. Masculinity is NOT the same as machismo |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. Ding Ding Ding...I think we have ourselves a winner!! n/t |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #140 |
158. I like yours best so far :D NT |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 07:57 PM Response to Reply #158 |
171. Thank you! Thank you! |
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SayWhatYo (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #140 |
197. Makes sense to me... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:15 AM Response to Reply #140 |
198. Why is that masculinity? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:10 AM Response to Reply #198 |
203. It's hard to describe, but I know it when I see it |
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Ino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
143. Masculinity is... having a penis |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #143 |
156. Thank you for your interesting contribution. NEXT. NT. |
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lightningandsnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 07:52 PM Response to Reply #143 |
168. If that's true... |
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Ino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #168 |
200. Why do you put "male" in quotes? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
177. Being a mensch. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #177 |
195. But a woman can be a mensch too. |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
178. Basically: Having too much hair in all the wrong places. (nt) |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
181. what is masculinity |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 08:44 PM Response to Reply #181 |
184. Where did you get the idea that human females are only interested in sex during ovulation |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. that's not what I said |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 09:30 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. whoooops -hey- re: post 181. I meant chimps in that 2nd graph |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 10:07 PM Response to Reply #181 |
194. "Tough Guise?" Are you a manly-man or a girly-girl? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #194 |
199. I've seen that. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
183. integrity, honesty, chivalry, protection of family |
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UncleSepp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
190. Straight lines and angles. High contrast. |
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Samantha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
191. I think true masculinity exudes from any male who is totally comfortable |
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Extend a Hand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-29-07 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
192. recently our 18 year old cat died |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
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Riktor (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:29 AM Response to Reply #201 |
206. On the term "feminists" |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:37 AM Response to Reply #201 |
207. C'mon. Just call them "feminazis". You know you want to. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:46 AM Response to Reply #207 |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 08:44 AM Response to Reply #210 |
216. Holy shit - you're *serious*. ROFLMAO!!!!! |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:50 AM Response to Reply #201 |
208. LOL |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:51 AM Response to Reply #211 |
212. couldn't be any OTHER reason why women avoid you |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 04:45 AM Response to Reply #201 |
214. Not true at all! |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #201 |
231. I'm a feminist, and I really like men. |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #231 |
233. I'm a man and I think feminists are great! |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #233 |
235. And you're less likely to stereotype us too! |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #231 |
238. A lot of guys think of it as being zero-sum. To be positive about women... |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #238 |
252. Exactly - someone has to be the winner and someone the loser when your |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 05:37 PM Response to Reply #201 |
241. "That's why I've given up on dating." |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 10:26 PM Response to Reply #201 |
245. i am a feminist, happily married to a man, with two healthy, smart boys |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 05:57 PM Response to Reply #201 |
250. That's us. We haaaatez teh menz. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
202. Knowing what's important: beer, video games, and good tunes |
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Riktor (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:07 AM Response to Original message |
209. A Marketing Ploy |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
222. What is masculinity? |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
226. I think masculinity is something |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #226 |
227. Why not? NT |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #227 |
247. Because only men can define it |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
228. What's a "feminist"? |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #228 |
232. Can, meet opener. Baby_mouse, meet worms. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #228 |
246. going with question of masculinity, the opposite would be femininity |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
239. nothing more than a social construct. |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
242. Masculinity is about being a man. Being a man is about responsibility. Same thing for women. |
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travelingtypist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
243. I couldn't tell you. |
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nemo137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
248. My dad always defined it in terms of responsibility. |
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249. Whatever straight girls like about boys. |
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