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kurth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:13 PM Original message |
Poor smokers would pay for health bill |
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Moderate Dem (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. The nanny state run amok... |
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TheFriendlyAnarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
34. You can by online from eastern Erupean companies for $15 USD a carton. |
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dajoki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #34 |
86. My friend... |
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TheFriendlyAnarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Ouch. . . |
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dajoki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #88 |
160. That happens to be near... |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
35. How exactly do tobacco black markets operate? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
60. That sure didn't take long! |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
115. You sound just like I would have sounded |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
135. And I'll probably quit the filthy habit. |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
2. I would have found another source... Health= others dying. |
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Sukie1941 (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. Maybe those living in poverty |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I agree...smoking is a choice and it cost money to smoke..when |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Smoking is not always a 'choice'. |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. but it can be stopped....many addictive people have stopped... |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. So says you. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. Yup -- I smoked two+ packs a day for over a decade |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
153. Me too. The first week I thought I'd die. After that it got better |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
93. That First Cigarette was most certainly a "choice". n/t |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. ..... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:24 AM Response to Reply #99 |
116. You're right |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #116 |
154. And if you are buying say three packs a day at $3 dollars a pack, |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
152. Of course it is. It is still a choice. You can "choose" to quit. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #3 |
130. Oh yeah, that's how it works. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #3 |
134. I can never understand it when I see people under the age of, say, 50, smoking |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
4. How many smokers are poor? |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
57. The media is making it sound like a high percentage of those living in poverty smoke. It's not true. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
110. "smoking among Medicaid recipients is approximately 39% higher than that observed in the US overall" |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
131. If social classes are examined,... |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #131 |
161. What a crock! |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
5. poor people can afford cigs? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Yeah, because you know those poor people need you |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Raising the 'sin taxes' as a way of social engineering doesn't work. |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I wonder about that. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. What are your vices? Are you 'sinless'? |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. What's with the rude attitude? |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I'm pointing out the flaws |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I never said we should target the poor. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Your comment about poor people is rude. |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I don't agree. |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
78. psssttt...I don't agree either :) n/t |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
37. There are already groups here planning to purchase |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:35 AM Response to Reply #13 |
119. Agree With You But Just Curious |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
127. yes because clearly you should be making these decisions for other people |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
8. I have to hide this thread because the way posters are talking |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. They should be raising taxes on food, the elderly and sunlight too, while they're at it! |
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The River (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
10. They Should Tax It $5 A Pack |
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JitterbugPerfume (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
11. smoking is a serious health hazard PERIOD |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
106. Doesn't that make funding programs off of tobacco taxes a BAD idea? |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
12. Yeah let's go after the smokers because they're responsible |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. It will have to be shared, eventually |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Agreed. nt |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Yep. But how would we enable those addicted to self-righteous antipathy? |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
92. Agreed. Regressive is regressive. |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
71. I agree! |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
15. End the Iraq occupation. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #15 |
117. End the participation of for-profit leeches in the health industry |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
19. tax the shit out of smokers, |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. You ought to practice what you preach, imho, |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Fascist doesn't mean what you think it means. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. severe economic and social regimentation |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Did you READ that article? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:30 AM Response to Reply #26 |
118. Facism is already here |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Ouch |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
45. Your name is most appropriate. |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
65. Oh yeah, |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #65 |
105. having spent most of my life around recreational drug users... |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 09:34 AM Response to Reply #105 |
122. But it does not deter those |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
25. Then they are encouraged to quit smoking |
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focusfan (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
28. Raising prices will not discourage smoking |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
54. That's just plain false; likely based on a 4th grade understanding of demand elasticity. |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Does demand elasticity |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
29. I am torn on this. |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
30. It might encourage Good people to smoke more! |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. Good point! |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. Now I know why we have no assistance to stop smoking |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
31. Since when should TAXATION be regarded as a PUNISHMENT??? |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
85. Very rational point lost in the thread. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #85 |
125. I think too many are so completely buried in the meme of "sin taxes" ... |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
94. That's an excellent point... |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
38. At what point does it simply become the exploitation of addiction? n/t |
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VP505 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. It already is! |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:21 AM Response to Reply #48 |
120. Yeah, and it ain't just the tobacco companies...n/t |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
46. It is like |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
47. So many sanctimonious comments here -- none of them explaining |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. We need a new source |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. I'm torn |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. The only time a specific tax tied to a specific program makes sense to me |
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loser_user (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
49. How selfish it would be of me to quit smoking ? |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. That's the spirit!! Give, give til it hurts!! n/t |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
50. SCHIP - .61; Oregon - .85 |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. Agreed! Here's a state by state breakdown. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. Unfortunately, that's probably the only way to get it done |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. alcohol, fats, sugar |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. Not to mention the stupid "kicker" or the paltry corporate tax |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. We have to figure out something |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
53. What a sleazeball way of doing business |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. The Health Risks of Obesity: Worse Than Smoking, Drinking, or Poverty!! |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
82. I really don't understand the argument many on this thread are making |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 07:02 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. If to you, "everybody" includes the assholes in Congress only |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
64. Good start... smokers and others like them should bear the burden |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. last I checked, self-righteousness wasn't a virtue. Maybe we should tax that -- |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. I smoke (nt) |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Maybe they could set up a special fund for your contribution, then, |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. Obese people should bear the burden! |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #77 |
87. Of course they should |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
68. For all you Air America listeners, Sam Seder is on this subject right now . . . . n/t |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Thanks! I didn't |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. "Seder on Sundays" -- it's great! |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. But he's not talking about this 'tax on smokers only' crap anymore. |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
69. Shouldn't everyone contribute to |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
80. Don't forget alcohol. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Nope. |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Twinkie tax! |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #83 |
162. Tax them by the pound over their normal wgt! |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #80 |
95. can't tax aalll-keee-haaawwllll, why I drink that! |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
84. How about a 50 cent tax on every bottle of beer? |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. That's right. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
90. Cigarette taxes are completely regressive |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. If you're ready to quit smoking, let me recommend Chantix |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 07:41 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. The starting price for a pack is $139.00!!! |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Medicaid might cover it. but then again... |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 10:02 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. If you have a doctor and health care, which |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:23 PM Response to Reply #102 |
109. "smoking among Medicaid recipients is approximately 39% higher than that observed in the US overall" |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Yes, and Medicaid recipients are among the poorest Americans |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #100 |
145. My insurance covers it so I wasn't sure what it would cost without it |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. Have you ever googled |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #90 |
108. No one *needs* to smoke. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #108 |
157. Nobody NEEDS to drink or eat |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
96. the tax is not proportionate and unsustainable |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
98. Good! I hope they tax the shit out of ciggs!! |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
101. Having read all these replies I think the most equitable tax would |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
107. I was po. Sorry about not being able to spell the word in full... |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
111. i'm a smoker and i would pay....gladly...that's how it is done for in canada |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
113. Great! Improves public health two ways! |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
114. I believe that it would be GREAT if everyone quit smoking |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #114 |
140. I think we have enough totalitarian federal laws already, thank you. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #140 |
163. For everyone's sake |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
121. Sorry no sympathy here |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
123. Where's the money come from should people decide to quit? |
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halobeam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
124. Alcoholism is just as much an addiction,, so why not tax alcohol? |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:04 AM Response to Reply #124 |
126. A tax should not be regarded as a PENALTY. |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #126 |
128. Agreed. |
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halobeam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #126 |
132. totally agreed |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #132 |
139. Understood. I've done the same -- and the subtle sarcasm is completely missed. |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #124 |
142. There's a lot of taxes already on alcohol as well |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #124 |
164. Alcohol kills about 50,000 per year |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
129. If they would legalize pot I would gladly pay that tax. n/t |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
133. Seems like a logical symmetry. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #133 |
143. Except that tobacco taxes MORE than pay for such alleged costs ... |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. I doubt that it pays for it. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #147 |
148. Excise (consumption) taxes are inherently regressive. Period. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #148 |
151. Calling something nonsense does not mean it is not true. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #151 |
155. But things that aren't true ARE nonsense. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. I disagree with your philosophical conclusion. nt |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #155 |
165. I agree with your philosophical conclusion |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
136. This isn't new: Policy enforced by "people with relatively little money and education" |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
137. Land of the Free, Home of the Brave** |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
138. This is fine, I would also suggest Junk Food taxes as well |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
141. State as drug dealer |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
144. So now the Surgeon General will encourage kids to smoke, to make up for lost revenue |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #144 |
150. It's only a matter of time before the Girl Scouts sell cigarettes instead of cookies ... |
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CT_Progressive (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
146. There is no such thing as a "poor smoker" |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. Yeah ... the affluent are such 'experts' on what 'poor' means. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #146 |
159. Is that from the Heritage Foundation with their report on "poor" people with color TVs? |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
158. I wonder how many |
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