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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:11 PM Original message |
Poll question: Is this a bigoted comment or a fair point? |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think it's a matter of intent. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
2. In that context, I'd say bigoted. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
150. I'd like to know what the actual discussion was |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #150 |
242. Seems pretty obvious. |
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angrycarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
3. fair |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. While it may be a fair point, contextually it's bigotted. - n/t |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
5. Facts don't have bigotries. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Thank you. n/t |
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hisownpetard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
37. Cool. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
288. it is also how the 'facts' are framed and collected- |
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sutz12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
6. He's a hick from the midwest, right? |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Self-delete. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. As a white person born to a middle-class family in the Midwest |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
41. Now THAT'S a bigoted comment! |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
192. As a midwestener and a constituent of Sam's |
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mark414 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
199. i'm a hick from the midwest, and am asking you to ignore the comments above mine |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
7. So, what's his point? |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Plus I'm sure he feels black people have too many |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Are you saying that's the only reason for the proliferation of single moms? |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
170. No, I'm saying it's a factor rarely even considered. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #170 |
230. Lopsided jail populations largely reflect lopsided demographics of people who commit crimes |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #230 |
254. So you're saying the criminal justice system isn't racist? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #254 |
280. No, I did not say that nor have I ever said anything to that effect |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
9. A fair point of what? What IS the point? n/t |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 07:49 AM Response to Reply #9 |
222. That one-parent families are a contributory factor to juvenile delinquency. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
10. He's into the archaic 'bastard' thing |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
13. OMFG, I can't believe so many people are |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Brownback isn't wrong about everything. |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Yea, I'm sure that's exactly what he meant. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. I think my Internet mind-reading skills are better than yours |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Yes, he's one of the worst human beings on the face |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. That doesn't make him wrong about absolutely everything |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
208. I'm with cboy |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:58 AM Response to Reply #208 |
228. Ditto here. |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
33. No, he did not. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
52. But the way in which he selectively deploys facts in an argument |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
198. And a lot of kids in the suburbs are born out of wedlock also |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
42. Yes, he did. You're right. n/t |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
56. You are assuming that ALL inner city citizens are black |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
85. The poster isn't assuming that; he's just decoding Brownback. n/t |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #85 |
94. That may be the problem |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #94 |
110. Except it's at this point where we bring our experience to bear, |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
171. Nothing as RW as the current results of that poll surprises me anymore on DU. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #171 |
174. right. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
173. Nothing surprises me here anymore. n/t |
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Snarkturian Clone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
239. So if Brownback |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
14. like most things, examine the source. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
15. Other: It's "blame the victims." |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
16. "I don't care whether the numbers are accurate or inaccurate" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Deleted message |
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Another bigoted statement by cboy |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Deleted message |
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I said I am not, and I have a long history of posts to demonstratate it |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Well then you should cast your vote for Brownback |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. I think you screwed the pooch big time in this thread, now you are scrambling to save face |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. No, I think you're supporting a Republican who likes to |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Me saying Brownback's statement was factual and agreeing it's a problem = SUPPORTING him? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
65. Deleted message |
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. You're killing me |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Deleted message |
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Let me spell it out just one more time super duper clearly for you |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Let me tell you something. Brownback doesn't give a |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. As I said, your bias predisposes you to reject every word he says |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. So if he said it was Tuesday, you would disagree with him? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:35 PM Original message |
If he said Tuesday is the reason that black people are the greatest long term threat to America.. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
318. because everyone knows that reason is really |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
351. No, you would disagree about the threat, but not about Tuesday. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #351 |
354. Hmm. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. Framing "the problem" in these terms is bullshit |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. So, how do you think the Democratic Party should address that issue? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #58 |
78. What is at issue here? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:46 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. I think children, especially boys, benefit from having a good father figure |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I think it's important for children to have good, strong clear role models, |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. OK, we're not very far apart |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. Me, too. |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #93 |
100. Exactly. I agree. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #93 |
123. In my extended family, I had four mothers and five fathers. |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #123 |
134. LOL...you definitely had options for role models!! n/t |
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NOLALady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #123 |
252. My Mom died when I was two. |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:11 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. No, you aren't. He hasn't said anything that would even remotely |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
35. That's probably what most people would say, |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
17. If its a fact, its a fact. |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. It's bigotted because it's used to further the fundie |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. What do you think the Democratic position on the issue should be? |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #29 |
244. There's a factor missing which Democrats could address. |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. "That's why." ?? Gee, that's compelling and all... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:33 PM Original message |
So is oxygen when every member of that cause breathes each day. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
215. Clearly. It's all about fluorine for me from now on! (nt) |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
23. It's a fact, and it's a sad one. nt |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Best response yet |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. I dunno. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Nobody is saying "Single parent home = bad, Two parent home = ideal." |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. And I agree with your point. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
69. The economic argument is compelling to me |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
43. Agreed. n/t |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:11 PM Original message |
If the dad who beats the shit out of the mom is finally |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
49. So you're suggesting that a significant proportion of African-American fathers are abusive? |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Yes that's exactly what I'm suggesting. |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Otherwise your point is completely moot. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
55. Yes, definitely |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
210. This is one of my most favorite arguments |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
39. Maybe Brownbeck should revisit his position on gay marriage |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
47. Fair point, if the point is to point at something that needs our attention |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Perhaps you could suggest a good position for Democrats to take on it |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Pretty much what I already said |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Thanks, and I agree with you about the value of education |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Me too! |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Save some of your fair share to donate to the |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. When you don't have a leg to stand on in a discussion |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. How is that a personal attack? I don't care who you |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. What a steaming pile of horse manure |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
72. I'll give it a shot... |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
61. Since Brownback said it I am voting "BIGOTED." |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. You could be right, Swampy... |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #64 |
81. A blue-eyed devil |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:02 PM Response to Reply #81 |
102. But....but I have blue eyes...does that make me a minion of the devil? |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:44 PM Response to Reply #102 |
155. LOL! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. I have no doubt that his agenda in saying it was to promote his religious views |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:31 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. His religious views include slavery, sexual repression (for others), and genocide of Arabs |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. I know enough about Brownback to be very sure I won't be voting for him |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Good enough for me |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Exactly Swamp |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
74. Re: the Moynihan report n/t |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
79. Sorry. There's only one correct answer here since it was Brownback who said it. |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
90. FAIR POINT IS WINNING??????? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Maybe it developed the capacity to analyze a statement objectively |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. A majority of DUers are able to separate the point from the man who said it? nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #92 |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #103 |
111. The difference would be that what Hitler said was actually false. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #111 |
172. What Hitler said sounded so reasonable that he had supporters |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:20 PM Response to Reply #92 |
175. What is the point, anyways? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #175 |
369. The "out of wedlock" aspect isn't the real issue |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. Because it's a fact |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:01 PM Response to Reply #90 |
101. Deleted message |
Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #101 |
130. Did you just suggest that 2/3s of DUers are trolls? |
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WritingIsMyReligion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #90 |
307. We're not all knee-jerk reactionists unable to separate statistics and intent? |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
96. fair point...if you're speaking in code language |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:58 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Whoopee! The obligatory Race Card has been played! |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #98 |
104. the race card.,..what is this thread about? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. He didn't specify any race in his statement |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #105 |
113. PLEASE...that's a part of the code |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #105 |
119. That's why we call it code. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:18 PM Response to Reply #119 |
127. OK, but that doesn't diminish the objective truth of the statement |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #127 |
135. his statement is that two-parent families are the panacea |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. I didn't read that in the OP |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:23 PM Original message |
I still would like to see his source, lol. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:58 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. see post 74 n/t |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #99 |
118. aLL i see is ignored |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #118 |
142. It' says Re: the Moynihan report n/t |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #96 |
107. It's total code language. You're absolutely correct. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. of course it is |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #107 |
136. You did a great disservice by presenting Brownback's remark out of context |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #107 |
145. yes. yes it is. |
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shugah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #96 |
398. noiretblu!! voice of reason! |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
97. This is a fact....not bigoted at all |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #97 |
108. what is a THE FACT? |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. Are you suggesting that a significant proportion of African-American men are abusive drug addicts? |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. as someone else told me, this guy didn't mention race |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. If this discussion is not concerning any minorities, |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. right |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:25 PM Response to Reply #121 |
138. Naaa... DU! |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #138 |
143. i am going home soon |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:30 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. Good....I'm sick of what I'm reading anyway, and it's boring the fuck out of me |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #147 |
335. sick and tired |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:36 PM Response to Reply #121 |
152. "good old race-neutral america" |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #114 |
120. Yea noiretblu, didn't you know only black people |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #120 |
125. So do you then believe that Brownback was not referring to minorities? |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #125 |
133. i think that's a joke eom |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:21 PM Response to Reply #120 |
132. brownback knows urban is a code word |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:18 PM Response to Reply #114 |
128. Thank you...thank you VERY MUCH!!!!!!! |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #108 |
124. Umm..no, actually the statistics of inner cities in regards to this matter are higher |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #124 |
141. i am simply challenging a stupid, racist myth |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. WTF I'm not suggesting ANY of that shit? |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:51 PM Response to Reply #141 |
162. I'm not saying ANYTHING like that, Jesus Christ! What channel are you tuned in to? |
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angstlessk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #124 |
367. WHEN YOU FUCKING PUT 1/2 BLACK MALES IN PRISON FOR DRUG |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #108 |
140. Yeah, sounds like you took a little more than was expected out of my comment |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #140 |
336. not your comment...brownback's |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
106. i'd say i'm shocked by the poLL resuLts |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #106 |
115. I decided not to post that because it's only Tuesday. |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #106 |
116. LOL Ouch! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #106 |
122. I think I understand the big disconnect here |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:18 PM Response to Reply #122 |
126. You could have chosen 'other'. I did. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. Yes, I suppose I could have done that |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #122 |
131. Yea, you're probably right. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #131 |
139. There you go again with the personal attack, cboy4 |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #139 |
148. I'm just providing a link so you can learn more about |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:41 PM Response to Reply #148 |
153. How about providing context for the statement you quoted in the OP? |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #153 |
160. Brownback stirred up flames when he made a bigoted |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:44 PM Response to Reply #160 |
178. My mom was a Republican for most of her adult life |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #178 |
188. Well if you don't like to hear people criticize and insult |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #188 |
229. Let me teach you something, cboy4 |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #229 |
248. You're calling the people who voted for this adminstration |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #248 |
266. Be careful wielding that broad brush |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #266 |
273. I have to do everything for you, ha slackmaster? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #273 |
275. If you had simply included it in the OP you wouldn't have such a massive problem here |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #273 |
281. If you had the entire quote, in context |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #281 |
285. I was typing in real time tammy. There was no transcript |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #285 |
289. I agree he's still a bigot |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #289 |
290. I disagree. When that statement is coming out of the |
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divinecommands (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #229 |
296. Well said, slackmaster! |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #296 |
303. You have 41 posts and can already tell that I'm |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #303 |
364. Keep this up and you'll have 41 "Deleted message" posts in this thread alone |
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divinecommands (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #303 |
366. Yes, I am Slackmaster, wearing a different hat!! :-D |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:35 PM Response to Reply #366 |
387. Oh there's no question Republics are wicked people. |
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divinecommands (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 07:45 PM Response to Reply #387 |
399. Who is defending Republicans? |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #229 |
345. a child is better off |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #345 |
365. An unbiased society and a decent family are not mutually exclusive |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:30 PM Response to Reply #131 |
146. so many ignores |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:33 PM Response to Reply #146 |
151. Yes, it's probably for the best bud. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:44 PM Response to Reply #122 |
156. Not only not mutually exclusive but a favorite strategy of racists |
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Nimrod2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
149. I heard that and thought it was not appropriate... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:42 PM Response to Reply #149 |
154. Could you fill us in on the full context in which he said it? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #154 |
176. Here's some links to his usual patter: |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:45 PM Response to Reply #176 |
179. I'm not asking about his usual patter - I've heard and read enough of that |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:49 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. Then that falls into the category of not bringing your experience to bear. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
157. i'm sick of Brownback on GP, but to discount the problems faced by humanity... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #157 |
159. And, in a way, that's Brownback's job and the OP's point. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:55 PM Response to Reply #159 |
163. My sense is that it would have not been more palatable to have had... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. See my #78 for a link on trends. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. nice charts... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:28 PM Response to Reply #167 |
177. They don't need to care, they have the Heritage Foundation. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
158. 90 - 99% of heroin addicts drank milk as children. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:50 PM Response to Reply #158 |
161. WHO is doing MY heroin? |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
165. 167 replies, -0- recs. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
166. "Out of Wedlock" phrasing = moral problems. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. "Evil Inner City People" |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
169. I voted "bigoted" because of this.... |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #169 |
183. Agreed! But to throw race into this is pointless! |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #183 |
187. clarification please..... |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:23 AM Response to Reply #187 |
213. No, not your comment at all |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #183 |
212. This comment can be misread easily |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:28 AM Response to Reply #212 |
214. I think you're trying to read into what I've posted a little too much |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
181. i find this thread disturbing, but I would point out that the word "out of wedlock" is |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:01 PM Response to Reply #181 |
182. Look at the poll results. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #182 |
207. yup, that's kinda what I'm talking about. |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
184. really, what about the divorce rate in regular old america? plenty of kids |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. And how many of those are African-American? |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:18 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. what? I didn't bring race in to it, i pointed out the fact that there is a 50% divorce |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #186 |
189. no, no,no...read the bottom of my post! |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:21 PM Response to Reply #189 |
190. ok gotcha. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #185 |
191. Because the Republican Party fuels itself on bigotry of every stripe. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #191 |
193. Deleted message |
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #193 |
194. I rest my case. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #194 |
195. Deleted message |
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196. Deleted sub-thread |
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197. Deleted sub-thread |
sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 07:12 AM Response to Reply #194 |
218. woah |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #218 |
258. Just someone who didn't like me very much. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
200. Deleted message |
jmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
201. I didn't watch the debate but |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #201 |
204. Well that's what I'm saying, Brownback is an ass talking out his ass... |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
202. cboy4, I think you are misreading what DU'ers are saying here |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #202 |
205. Most statements by bigots aren't overt. |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #205 |
209. Of course they aren't. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #209 |
211. Really? You're proud of that?! |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:14 AM Response to Reply #211 |
217. But that is the point |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 07:26 AM Response to Reply #217 |
219. The Op clearly frames the context. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:02 AM Response to Reply #217 |
233. Actually, the OP provides an artificial context for the alleged quote |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #233 |
260. That's untrue. I have littered this thread with links |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #260 |
265. That's very kind of you, but not what I have asked for |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #202 |
206. Actually tkmorris, I understand what you're saying, and |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
203. It's NEITHER bigoted OR a fair point |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
216. Fair point. This discussion takes us down a dark path |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
220. Wow. A whopping 62 percent say they think the |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #220 |
257. So if Brownback were to say that it were raining out, |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #257 |
261. Well I'm certain he would blame the blacks and the gays |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #261 |
267. So you're agreeing that if Brownback says it's raining, than that's a bigoted comment. |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #267 |
268. I do. However in the case of Senator Brownback, |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #268 |
271. Then you don't understand the difference between |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #257 |
301. Out of curiosity, do you have any direct experience with bigotry? |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #301 |
343. Yes, on many occasions. Why? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #343 |
350. I'm asking because it took me a while to learn how to decode |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #350 |
356. Here's how I see it. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #356 |
359. That's right. The letter isn't bigoted. But, it can be used to forward bigotry. |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #359 |
360. Yeah, I think the "fair pointers" and "bigoted statementers" |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
221. It depends on how the information is being used |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
223. its manipulation of data. so yes, he is stating a statistic and technically not lying |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #223 |
224. I posted a link to a 2004 census in #78. Looks like he's |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
225. If you agree with Sen. Brownback, then you agree... |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:34 AM Response to Reply #225 |
226. Well we have a lot of Brownback supporters in this |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:38 AM Response to Reply #226 |
227. Sorry, cboy4. Answered wrong thread posting. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #225 |
237. That's a false dilemma, zanne |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #237 |
250. Considering that 50% of all marriages end in divorce, |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #250 |
264. Red Herring |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #264 |
269. Oh come on, Slackmaster! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #269 |
278. I've agreed with you many times in the past, and I'm sure I will in the future |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
231. So if Barack said that it would be biogoted also? |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:14 AM Response to Reply #231 |
234. I'm not familiar with the context in which Barack is |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #234 |
241. Read his latest book...he says the same thing as the alleged "white supremacist"... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #241 |
246. Obama blames gay marriage for out of wedlock births? |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #246 |
256. Please show me where in the OP Brownback said that...in the OP...not elsewhere... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #256 |
262. Fair enough. What I've found reading about about this disgusting man |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #262 |
277. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he is a bigot as well as a homophobe.. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #277 |
286. It sure does. And, it's in the fine old tradition of American bigotry |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #286 |
293. Alright, you're my spokeswoman the rest of the way |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #293 |
294. Well, I am looking for work. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #293 |
312. Except it's wrong...there's nothing bigotted in what he said... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #312 |
313. Nothing if you overlook the code, the misrepresentation of stats |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #313 |
315. "and the context" |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #315 |
317. Thank you!!! Finally! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #315 |
319. The OP did sketch the context. And if you bother to look |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #319 |
320. Oh yes I have read the whole thread |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #320 |
324. I have jumped to no conclusions regarding Obama, thanks. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #324 |
327. Way to jump to conclusions again |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #327 |
330. You read my post so that means, what, you've done your own research? |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #330 |
332. Actually I did do my own research |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #332 |
338. Sure. I'd appreciate that. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #338 |
341. dupe |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #338 |
342. Here you go |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #342 |
346. Thanks for taking the trouble. And, let's look at these links. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #346 |
348. Do you think I have no critical thinking skills? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #348 |
349. I've said nothing about your skill level but merely read the links |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #319 |
323. The statement, as quoted, by itself is NOT bigoted. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #323 |
326. Neither was the Iranians President's statement |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #326 |
328. We call aportioning bigotry to a statement of fact STUPIDITY. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #328 |
331. Last time: That was a misstatement of fact. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #331 |
334. The absolute numbers may be off but the underlying truth isn't, is it now? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #334 |
339. What underlying truth would that be? |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #339 |
344. Massive numbers of kids being born out of wedlock or without fathers.. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #344 |
347. But, when you look at credible reports, that isn't happening. n/t |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #347 |
353. Bullshit. Look at the numbers Obama quotes himself. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #353 |
355. Why do you keep dragging Obama into this discussion? |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #355 |
363. Why? To continue to illustrate that the OP is 100% incorrect in their assertion that the statement.. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #363 |
371. I agree. If you are so tone deaf to American bigotry, there's no point. n/t |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #371 |
373. Obama said the same thing? Is he a bigot too? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #373 |
375. Because this thread is not about Obama. n/t |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #375 |
376. Answer the question. Obama said the same thing. You say it is bigoted. Therefore Obama is a bigot... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #376 |
377. Sorry, I don't generally allow people to take me off topic. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #377 |
378. Dude...YOU are the one that INSISTS that what Brownbcak said was bigoted... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #378 |
379. That would be dudette. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #379 |
380. Dudette....I AM English, and there is NOTHING in the OP about ANY of his other statements... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #380 |
381. Try using the fundaments of logic. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #381 |
382. The statement in the OP is NOT bigoted. Are you being deliberately obtuse? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #382 |
383. Maybe you should mail the Regents of the University of California |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #383 |
404. The OP said nothing about context...but nice attempt to move the goal posts... |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #313 |
316. Read Obama's book. He makes the same point. I don't think he is a bigot. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #316 |
321. I'm beginning to think that DU just doesn't get how racists pass |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #321 |
325. The STATEMENT ITSELF IS NOT BIGOTED. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #325 |
329. What is your stake in this? |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #329 |
333. My stake in this? The use of logic and grey matter... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #333 |
337. If Senator Obama's opinion is part of his platform |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #329 |
340. ... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #241 |
255. More: Brownback’s Mucaca Moment |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
232. Regarding the repub debate w Tavis Smiley, I agreed with whoever said the conditions came about |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #232 |
236. Riiiight. Which is my point. It was only "put out there as |
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npincus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
235. not buying his stats at all... sounds like BS |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:18 AM Response to Reply #235 |
238. I'm no longer even buying the alleged Brownback quote |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #238 |
243. Oh now you're using code to accuse me of lying. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #243 |
249. Here's a Salon article: Who's afraid of the big bad gay marriage? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #243 |
272. "by the broad numbers, that the best place is between a mom and a dad" |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #272 |
283. Well Slackmaster, that's NOT what he said. He |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #283 |
298. I posted a direct quote from the link you provided |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #298 |
300. Yea, you posted the least offensive words from that |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #300 |
306. Referring to him as "your candidate" is another personal attack |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #306 |
311. I'd rather try to talk you out of supporting a terrible |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #311 |
361. Since I have never said I support Brownback, you are just trying to smear me |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #361 |
368. Inappropriate and dishonest................... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #368 |
370. You've never made any effort to determine who my candidate actually is |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #370 |
374. Well if I read from the press release you issued today, |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #374 |
386. No, I have never stated that I might vote Republican |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #386 |
388. Well Slackmaster....this is what you said in your |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #388 |
390. I've posted the exact same thing numerous times |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #386 |
389. And slackmaster, when you edit a post to sneak in |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #389 |
391. As if you haven't edited any of your posts for clarity |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #391 |
392. Slackmaster, I didn't say you can't edit your posts |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #392 |
393. I've been very candid about my voting record and views on DU for a long time |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #393 |
394. Well there's one thing you can say buddy.....I don't |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #394 |
395. Because your mind is closed |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:31 PM Response to Reply #395 |
397. Yes it is, to all Republicans. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #397 |
400. Repeating a lie doesn't make it any more true |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #238 |
247. No, he didn't. Google Brownback out of wedlock. This is part |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #247 |
253. Sfexpat2000, make sure you read slackmaster's |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #253 |
270. More dishonesty from cboy4 |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
240. He must be a huge supporter of affirmative action |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
245. Other |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
251. Fair point. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #251 |
259. Are you sure? Can you find those stats because I looked and |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #259 |
274. Brownback's position on evolution is more than enough reason for me to oppose him |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #274 |
284. Actually, you've been shown repeatedly that he's wrong. n/t |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #284 |
297. No, many people have expressed opinions that disagree with his |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #297 |
299. Google is your friend. You have the ability and the means |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #299 |
308. I know more than enough about Sam Brownback already |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
263. Keep fucking, people. |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #263 |
279. and keep giving birth to children that some of these people clearly can't support? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #279 |
282. How many poor people do you know that don't help themselves? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #282 |
287. word |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #287 |
292. Most of us learn pretty early that if we don't help ourselves, we're screwn. |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #282 |
291. I'm talking about making sure children aren't running the streets at all hours |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #291 |
295. The drop out rate is not the fault of children born out of wedlock |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #291 |
314. Who the hell here is advocating "keep on fucking?" as a solution? |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #314 |
322. Excellent post! |
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NOLALady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #314 |
385. I also live near some of them. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
276. Rolling Stone: God's Senator |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #276 |
305. Do you actually think anyone on DU needs more reasons not to vote for Sam Brownback? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #305 |
310. I think that most DUers like having as much information under their belt |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #310 |
362. I'm in this thread solely for entertainment |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #362 |
372. And that would make you a sexist dilettante. |
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freestyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
302. Without discussing the economics of marriage, it's bigoted. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #302 |
309. "No successful single parent, or couple, does it by themselves. " |
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WritingIsMyReligion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
304. Purely reading that sentence--it's probably accurate. |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
352. We had a local politician start that shit |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
357. Even more sexist than racist |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
358. why don't we also racialize the discussion of predominantly white social problems, like pedophilia? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #358 |
384. Because it doen't play well to the average Republic voter. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
396. It's a fact. Once you -argue- something Bell Curve style using it, -then- it's bigotry |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
401. Other: Context matters. n/t |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
402. The drug "war", chronic unemployment, endemic racism.. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
403. It's bigoted because it makes negative presumptions about "out of wedlock" situations . . . |
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fortyfeetunder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
405. Thanks to the war, we have some more single parents..... |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
406. Whether it's bigoted or not, it's a fair point. |
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