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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:04 PM Original message |
Teens charged with felony animal cruelty for killing pet fish? |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. I do for the reason |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. Depends how the statute defines "animal cruelty." |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Here's the statute: |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Do fish feel pain? |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. doesn't matter...it's the "cruel death" part that will apply |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Wow! That statute is so vague that anyone who ever used bug spray could be charged. nt |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
30. The definition turns on necessity... |
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BridgeTheGap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. Wanna see some serious animal cruelty? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
4. Fish are animals. Killing them by poisoning and suffocation is certainly cruel. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. So are cockroaches. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. I guess I missed the part where backyard koi spread disease and eat people's food. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. I guess I missed that part too. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. As I said, what constitutes an animal for purposes of cruelty statutes varies |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
5. get 'em on whatever charges stick |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'm not so sure I agree with the "felony animal cruelty" charges. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
8. Reverse for me |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
9. FS 828.12 "Cruelty to animals" |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. I was hoping you'd clear up what the law is down there. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
10. Because animal cruelty applies to even those that aren't cute and cuddly? |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I do think it's cruel behavior, certainly |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Hierarchy of value? Hierarchy of pain? Hierarchy of suffering? |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
15. I suffocate fish all the time |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
17. What if someone goes fishing? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Not legally or morally the same as killing someone's pets |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. The pets are someone's property |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. The law does not have to make perfect logical sense |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. You think they planned to eat what they poisoned? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Yes, that's incorrect. |
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DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
19. Had she waterboarded the fish instead, she would be fine. n/t |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
24. The state will have to prove the kids intended to harm the fish |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. This is the third incident at this same koi pond. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
28. For whatever it's worth |
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