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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:40 AM Original message |
The Limitations of Science |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
1. On NDEs... |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. NDEs |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I'm afraid that last argument runs something like this one: |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. One only needs to read the literature... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:13 AM Response to Reply #10 |
26. What is "S"cience? A "S"cientist? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:27 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Its science with the BIG S... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:35 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Uh.... |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:50 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Who knows... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:19 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Apples and Oranges |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:35 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. But it has happened and been documented. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:41 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. ! |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:49 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Yes, there is. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:53 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I asked you to explain the mechanism by which the mind can cause skin lacerations. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:56 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Mind controls body. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:48 AM Response to Reply #55 |
62. That's the best you've got? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
101. It probably can. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #101 |
109. Possibilities are not probabilities. |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #109 |
115. I am suddenly reminded |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #109 |
118. It is a belief |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. Placebo effect does not suppose that anything is actually cured. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. Yep, just "Spontaneous" remissions. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #125 |
128. Nobody's suggesting there's no possible reason for them. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #128 |
133. Let's hope a real scientist is doing the research. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #133 |
135. Many scientists are. That is how I was able to with certainty state |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #135 |
146. Thank you for giving me the quote. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #146 |
152. That is not an example of the quote you were looking for. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. No, certainty doesn't mean certainty. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #155 |
157. It's like staring into a vortex of stupidity. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #157 |
159. You really don't understand what anecdotal means, do you? |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #159 |
161. Oh, Jesus, give me strength. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #161 |
167. You really don't know, do you? |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #167 |
176. Man, you've had some pathetic arguments in this thread, |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #176 |
183. Unable to prove his point, he creates a strawman. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #183 |
186. And now we've moved to |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #186 |
191. The studies are unrelated. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #191 |
194. You've just demonstrated a complete ignorance of how an evidence base is built. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #194 |
195. So says the one already proven wrong. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #195 |
198. Much as in previous threads, |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #198 |
200. Do whatever you want. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #159 |
166. You might also ask why it is that a man back in the 1700's |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #166 |
177. There is a wide gulf between |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #177 |
203. Your reasoning does not compute. As I said, for hundreds of years, the public was swayed |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #203 |
206. Hint: |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #206 |
405. So the alternative is that you are not logical. I'll accept that one! n/t |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #157 |
388. Teh stupid is strong in this one...nt |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #135 |
164. You need to talk with a hospice worker or two to see some of the things that they report |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. Milo, if you're still there, *this* is anecdotal evidence. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #165 |
169. You have already proven you don't know what it is. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #169 |
178. God, you're pathetic. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #178 |
184. No, just you and your misunderstanding of simple words. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #184 |
189. Okay, there. I'll go and inform the social sciences |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #189 |
192. No, just you. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #192 |
196. I'm done with you for today |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #196 |
201. Of course you are. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #201 |
204. Yeah, check that. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #204 |
208. Of course, the ignore button hides all the pain. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #178 |
205. Will you stop invoking God on here! There are some very sensitive souls on here, who |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 06:46 AM Response to Reply #164 |
374. True. This happened with my Grandmother. She was virtually dead |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:57 PM Original message |
I'd like to address your last paragraph. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
145. I am not saying it is common OR understood OR accepted. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #145 |
162. It isn't merely dismissed. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #162 |
170. I never said what you think I said. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #170 |
173. Then what is your beef with science, exactly? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #173 |
179. I have no beef with science at all. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #179 |
185. Well, it seems you do have one. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #185 |
190. But they are not with science. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #190 |
207. If they aren't with science |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #207 |
210. Because there are those that subvert it. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #210 |
213. That's fine. But, it doesn't mean the scientific method is flawed in the manner |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #213 |
229. We read the post differently. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #229 |
277. I don't think the OP meant to condemn science |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:35 PM Original message |
I saw no such misunderstanding. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
297. "S"cience the religion isn't science then. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #297 |
300. And everyone following it isn't either. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #300 |
336. Do you know what proved those discoveries to be wrong? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:03 AM Response to Reply #336 |
350. No, and no. |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
147. Thank you! |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #147 |
156. Exactly! |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
211. Okay consider this. there are certain categories of disease |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #211 |
218. This isn't scientific proof of anything. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #218 |
232. If you would read the original OP, one more time, even skimming |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #232 |
243. What I don't understand |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #243 |
251. To you it isn't science. |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #251 |
254. Mental attitudes and emotions are biochemical. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #254 |
272. Just to be clear, I'm not disputing any of that. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #272 |
278. I never ever ever ever |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #278 |
285. edit I was confused. Edit again, I wasn't. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #285 |
347. I think it is logical that if you accumulate an entire data base |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:17 AM Response to Reply #347 |
348. Uh, no. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #348 |
404. You are saying just what I said, so why is there a "Um, no?" n/t |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #272 |
406. I haven't said that "anecdotal" evidence alone should be accepted. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #251 |
255. I'm not questioning anything you're saying. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #232 |
391. I'm interested to know what you think was 'proof' in the late 90s |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #101 |
293. It would be incredibly stupid to think that it can in absence of evidence. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:19 AM Response to Reply #293 |
354. Rent the documentaries on the subject. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:50 PM Response to Reply #55 |
319. That's an assertion, not evidence. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:04 AM Response to Reply #319 |
351. No, it is an opinion. |
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dropkickpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #50 |
440. Documentaries are NOT scientific |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
418. Sure there is... |
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mwb970 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 07:07 AM Response to Reply #48 |
376. Of course the mind can change the body. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 07:48 AM Response to Reply #376 |
377. ! |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #376 |
383. Every time I think I |
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mwb970 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:18 AM Response to Reply #383 |
394. I'm curious. |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #394 |
396. Nobody "controls" it |
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mwb970 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #396 |
397. Not the brain, the mind. |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #397 |
402. So I'm dying because |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #397 |
421. Why? |
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mwb970 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:53 PM Response to Reply #421 |
424. Why not? |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #424 |
436. Putting aside my ideas for a moment... |
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mwb970 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #436 |
437. To be honest, I don't feel like discussing this with you. |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #437 |
438. Hostile? |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #437 |
451. Hostile? Please Get Over Yourself. |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #397 |
422. Words. |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #376 |
420. Ah, that's right.. We live in the Matrix... |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #420 |
423. Heh. |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 09:26 AM Response to Reply #423 |
435. So these are my choices, yeah? |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #435 |
439. Steak and potato? |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:31 AM Response to Reply #31 |
88. Agreed |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
209. Here is an article on an NDE you might find interesting, though you have perhaps |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:26 AM Response to Reply #10 |
45. Source please. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:01 AM Response to Reply #45 |
57. Please read what is written correctly. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
28. Quite the contrary. |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:25 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Have these studies been performed |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:01 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Fortunately, science does not concern itself with philosophical leaps. |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:15 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. "Fortunately?" |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:20 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Philosophers are generally very intelligent. However, |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:03 AM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Actually, there is no place for such a leap |
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ideagarden (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
258. do not assume facts do not exist |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
182. That's why a very eminent scientis(mificist)t said that Einstein was a half-wit, |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #182 |
247. Einstein was a theorist. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #247 |
265. A theorist who forced physicists to make a conceptual leap of the |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:25 PM Response to Reply #265 |
314. Right. Because that's what theorists do. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #314 |
408. What are you gibbering about! I'm merely pointing out to you dunderheads what |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:23 AM Response to Reply #9 |
30. A response. |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:18 AM Response to Reply #30 |
42. My objection is to the notion of "science == truth" |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:28 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Another response. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:54 AM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Please provide quotes and details to ALL such instances... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:55 AM Response to Reply #53 |
63. For example |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:09 AM Response to Reply #46 |
59. No you didn't |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:03 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. There is, still, no spoon. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #42 |
215. Hey Traveller, question for ya. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. Yes, I agree that there are many possible explanations for it |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
2. All that, just to justify comparing */Cheney to Hitler |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
20. No, that wasn't the purpose of this post at all |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #20 |
99. In that case, I apologize |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #99 |
217. I do believe it is a legitimate comparison |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:09 AM Response to Original message |
3. wrong on obesity |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Do you have any references for your assertions? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:01 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Isn't metabolism itself a function of genetics? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:05 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Yes, it is |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #22 |
85. Most of my family tends to be overweight. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:38 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Yes, that was the main problem with the traditional paradigm |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #91 |
187. I think maybe further light, at least modifying your paradigm, may be found in |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 07:00 AM Response to Reply #91 |
375. I myself am no were near her weight, because my knees are |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
5. On ESP: |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. The studies in the book I referred to described many studies with much lower p values than 0.05 |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:46 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I'll wait until I read it in a peer-reviewed journal. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:53 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. The OP refers to what appears to be a peer reviewed journal |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. That would be the "European Journal of Parapsychology." |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:02 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Do you know what they base that opinion on |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:10 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Several things. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 07:54 AM Response to Reply #24 |
68. Many of those criticisms apply to all fields of science |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #68 |
96. Simply untrue. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #68 |
100. Why does this matter? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #100 |
111. You act like I'm disparaging "real science" |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 07:25 PM Response to Reply #111 |
305. What I was actually accusing you of |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #24 |
78. I found the book I was referring to |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #78 |
98. Well, that sounds like an unbiased source. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #98 |
106. What a good example of "S"cientific thinking. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. That clearly isn't my point. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. Read the book. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Not really an option at the moment. However, |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #112 |
119. They don't have libraries where you live? |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. I'm asking for a very simple thing. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #122 |
127. I don't have the book. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #127 |
131. Well, most of those are from parapsychology "journals," |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #131 |
134. Proof of my publishing bias I mentioned earlier. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. *shrug* There's a reason for that. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #136 |
148. So, preform some oversight. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. Yeah, I'll get on that. nt |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #122 |
214. Just out of curiousity, i went and looked up the book on Amazon. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #214 |
236. Ah, but those are books it's citing. |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:55 AM Response to Reply #236 |
389. I may have to check the book out |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:12 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Its a game of publishing. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:21 AM Response to Reply #25 |
71. Ahhh, yes, the CONSPIRACY |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:23 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. It's not a conspiracy |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:28 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. That wasn't the thrust of the post I was responding to (n/t) |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:22 AM Response to Reply #25 |
72. That is so true |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:06 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. According to "S"cience |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:29 AM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Lollerskates! |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Exactly my point. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:39 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. It isn't any different. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:51 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Same evidence for both beliefs. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
114. Such self-assured ignorance is a thing of beauty. nt |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #114 |
120. So no proof? So typical. (nt) |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #120 |
126. Homosexual behavior |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. Anecdotal evidence, at best. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. No, but they do appear with statistical significance |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #132 |
139. Completely, utterly, untrue. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #139 |
141. You can close your eyes and pretend it ain't true all you like. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #141 |
149. Still completely untrue. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #149 |
151. It seems we need to add the word "anecdotal" |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #151 |
154. Another unscientific conclusion from you? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:12 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. You are, apparently, missing mine. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:19 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. That would be untrue. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:31 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Provide me with some quotes, please. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:51 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Given the framing, no. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:55 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Ahhh...the problem with Google.... |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:56 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. The claim is proven. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:47 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. If you're going to stop reading my posts, |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
102. I read yours |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #102 |
276. I pointed out why the links you provided me are useless. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #276 |
281. See within this very thread. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #281 |
292. Still not reading my posts, I see. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #292 |
296. Already supplied. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #296 |
310. Ug. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:02 AM Response to Reply #310 |
349. Do your own work. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:38 AM Response to Reply #349 |
358. This is pointless. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:44 AM Response to Reply #358 |
360. Seriously by who? You? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 02:12 AM Response to Reply #360 |
367. Okay, I'm going to stop reading your posts now. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 02:20 AM Response to Reply #367 |
369. This is why I don't take you seriously. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:13 AM Response to Reply #310 |
353. Add this to your homework |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #353 |
356. Irrelevant. eom |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:31 AM Response to Reply #356 |
357. LOL. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:39 AM Response to Reply #357 |
359. What does this have to do with your claim? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:45 AM Response to Reply #359 |
361. When all else fails... just deny, deny deny.. |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #40 |
87. This may be of assistance - |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:12 AM Response to Reply #23 |
60. There is in fact some serious evidence that being gay is a function of genetics |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #60 |
108. There are similar studies in ESP and NDEs |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #108 |
116. Um, please, sir. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #116 |
124. It's done to remove bias |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
97. Sounds like you're using some of that fuzzy stuff, what do they call it? |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
6. I love science, if not watching cspan nine times out of ten I am watching |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
8. Good Post |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:29 AM Response to Reply #8 |
67. Science people do NOT think that science is completely static! |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:26 AM Response to Reply #67 |
74. You're barking at a brick wall |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #67 |
103. It's the difference between Big S and little s. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #103 |
143. Except that the only people who regard science as a religion are those who are anti-science! |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #143 |
153. Yes, I agree. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 07:21 PM Response to Reply #153 |
304. Some people actually do think real science is a religion, though. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:52 AM Response to Reply #304 |
362. Who are you to judge? |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:18 AM Response to Reply #362 |
393. "Scientific" |
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ideagarden (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #143 |
261. no religion but... |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
257. That's for sure! |
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lildreamer316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
21. Great post. Thank you. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
225. Thank you so much |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
33. Long-winded, disconnected, tres bizarre! I really don't know what else to say; I'm stunned. n/t |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:14 AM Response to Original message |
41. wow, So you prove the limitations of science by talking about |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:17 AM Response to Reply #41 |
69. My intent was to explain some misconceptions about science |
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mr blur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:05 AM Response to Original message |
58. Well, I'm glad I'm not a scientist - |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:18 AM Response to Reply #58 |
70. It may come as a surprise to you to learn |
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mr blur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:17 AM Response to Reply #70 |
371. No, it comes as no surprise to me at all - |
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blondie58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:49 AM Response to Original message |
65. on to the greatest page with this |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
66. Very much enjoying the discussion. Thanks. |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
76. Enjoyed the post and comments. n/t |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
77. Not a single study has proven the edffectiveness of accupunture |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. You know that how? |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #77 |
93. Not completely true. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #77 |
117. Sorry, but that's not true. Acupuncture has shown some effectiveness. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #117 |
129. Correct. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #77 |
142. Actually, that isn't completely true re acupuncture |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. I would say that the defense of acupuncture seen here |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
80. The ignorance in this thread is astounding... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:04 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Apparently you don't have the intelligence to say what it is that you find ignorant |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:15 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I have neither the time nor the energy... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. I didn't "neglect" to post references supporting my claim on ESP |
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yella_dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #89 |
230. Note an interesting phenomenon. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #230 |
238. That's simply incorrect. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #230 |
273. It wasn't scientific proof. |
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AnotherGreenWorld (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #80 |
199. Indeed. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #80 |
231. Then puke |
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WritingIsMyReligion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #80 |
298. Indeed yes. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
81. But science must explain ALL the evidence |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. What testable answers are you referring to? |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:23 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. I've never heard the claim that they work 100% of the time. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:35 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. I'm not aware of anyone who claims that they work 100% of the time |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #90 |
95. And they often fail. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #95 |
104. I don't get your point at all |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #104 |
138. I'm not surprised |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #138 |
158. And you know that how? |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #158 |
223. ESP of course! |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:21 AM Response to Reply #95 |
355. No. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
92. this thread is eerily similar to |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #92 |
105. I have no idea what you're talking about |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #105 |
113. no, no. I'm not saying anything of the sort. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #105 |
168. You are a brave woman to try to enlighten the least sensible and most vocal DUers. |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #168 |
172. Great parody. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #172 |
174. Wow. your words really ARE big! |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #174 |
175. I'm compensating. n/t |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #175 |
286. Very good. I'm agreeably surprised. Impressed even. I'd been |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #175 |
409. Are you accusing me of sesquipedelian logorrhoea? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #168 |
212. Thank you very much -- I'm afraid that many people here misinterpreted what I've said |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #212 |
260. They don't have the wherewithal. It's a choice they've made. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #260 |
338. There is one thing I am sure science will never measure. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #338 |
410. Well that's a step in the right direction. Remember the old Chinese |
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BuddhaGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
94. very interesting! K & R |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
123. Just two points. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #123 |
160. Yes, perhaps I did try to bite off too much in one thread |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #160 |
171. Link |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #171 |
245. I don't see it. I didn't mention God at all |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #245 |
259. I realize that. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #259 |
275. Where science hasn't weighed in, I see nothing wrong with utilizing other methods of knowledge |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #275 |
283. There usually isn't anything wrong with it. You just can't call it science. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #275 |
295. What needs debating, then, |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #295 |
309. Right |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #309 |
312. The scientific method came about because of experiential knowledge. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #312 |
320. Scientific knowledge is not ALWAYS superior to other means of gathering knowledge |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 09:37 PM Response to Reply #320 |
323. Yes, it is. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #309 |
322. So what is this "knowledge"? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 09:55 PM Response to Reply #322 |
326. There are nearly infinite amounts of knowledge we pick up outside of science |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:02 PM Response to Reply #326 |
327. I'll insist that nearly all of what you're labeling as "outside of science" |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:16 PM Response to Reply #327 |
331. If that's the case |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:22 PM Response to Reply #331 |
334. "virtually every argument on this thread has been over semantics." |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 05:12 AM Response to Reply #334 |
430. You must know nothing about animal psychology |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 07:56 AM Response to Reply #430 |
434. I don't recall saying that ALL animals learn EVERYTHING that way. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #434 |
441. Well, it is what you said |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #441 |
445. LOL |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #445 |
446. I'm apologize, but I can't read your mind |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #430 |
442. Formal vs informal |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #442 |
443. Nope |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #443 |
444. Not abstract enough. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #444 |
447. I don't understand your response |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #447 |
448. You make instinct sound very static |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #448 |
449. Ahh, I see |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #449 |
453. It's quite simple really |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #453 |
456. SImple for you |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #275 |
411. There are no other methods of knowledge. |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #411 |
416. *sniff* |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #416 |
417. Nope, sorry! |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #417 |
419. Well, pooh. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #417 |
450. How about instinct? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #450 |
455. Not "a fable," but it just isn't objective. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #455 |
457. I don't understand your response |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
137. Maybe somebody should read Kuhn... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #137 |
412. Kuhn's nonsense is an oversimplified caricature of science, nothing more. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
140. Nothing there about any limitations of science. n/t |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #140 |
180. "It hasn't explained x, to my liking, so x is true and science is limited" is all I can gather n/t |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
163. Life Of The Soul After Death - From Jung's Perspective |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
181. CLARIFICATION |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:01 PM Response to Reply #181 |
202. You're filling in the holes. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #202 |
216. Limitations of science |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #216 |
233. Your second point, |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #233 |
240. Your first paragraph seems to imply an all or none situation |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:34 PM Response to Reply #240 |
253. No, I'm not saying that. |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #253 |
270. An example that might aid your point |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:37 PM Response to Reply #270 |
271. It does. Thanks. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #253 |
279. My statement s on ESP |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #279 |
294. It isn't a bit misleading. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #294 |
308. Where did I say that my own personal experiences were science? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 07:51 PM Response to Reply #308 |
311. When you refuted my point that your statements on ESP aren't science. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:48 PM Response to Reply #311 |
317. Would you please quote TfC on where he claims that... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 09:54 PM Response to Reply #317 |
325. He claims that his views on ESP aren't speculation as far as science is concerned. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 09:01 PM Response to Reply #311 |
321. Are you familiar with the scientific literature on ESP? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #321 |
324. I've seen plenty of literature on ESP. I haven't seen any actual scientific literature on it. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #324 |
329. I don't understand how you can make that statement |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #329 |
335. How do I know with such authority? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #335 |
342. I told you that the book cites tons of scientific references |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #342 |
345. I'm not accusing you of lying |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:30 AM Response to Reply #345 |
384. Your attitude is that if the evidence doesn't fall into your lap it doesn't exist |
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AnotherGreenWorld (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
188. Please don't denigrate scientists so. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #188 |
222. This may come as a shock to you |
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AnotherGreenWorld (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
193. This is one of the dumbest posts I have ever read. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #193 |
221. Thank for your brilliant insight |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
197. If you've been a scientist for 30 years... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #197 |
219. It's a matter of degree |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #219 |
220. Yeah, your link was full of shit. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #220 |
224. I guess you don't consider mathematics as science then? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #224 |
226. Strictly speaking, no. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #226 |
235. What about astronomy -- You think that's not a science either? |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #235 |
249. That's a tricky one. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #235 |
263. Astronomy is a science. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #263 |
274. I didn't say they were great astronomers, but they certainly did astronomy |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #274 |
280. You're site blathers on about them being astronomers. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #235 |
415. Astronomy as a SCIENCE didn't exist untill Galilleo. |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #224 |
228. It isn't. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #228 |
234. Science is not limited to experimental studies |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #234 |
239. You need experiments to reference the experiential. |
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ideagarden (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #239 |
262. no you need observables |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #262 |
291. An observation is an informal experiment |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #234 |
264. Well, yes. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #264 |
284. Bullshit |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #284 |
288. I wonder what the temperature is? I'm guessing about 70, farenheit. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #288 |
301. So I'll take that as an extremely arrogant and snarky way of saying.. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #301 |
302. Is that so difficult, Einstein? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #288 |
306. Why don't you read the OP? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #306 |
307. Because it's too long, contains silly errors, and pseudoscience. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:46 PM Response to Reply #307 |
316. No, I didn't make it up |
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ideagarden (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #307 |
407. you must be a peer reviewer |
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ideagarden (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #284 |
299. yes it is BS |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #299 |
303. Temperature isn't an observable? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #224 |
413. Mathematics is a form of logic, which is nothing but linguistic tautologies unless... |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #413 |
426. They are knowledge, it's just a priori. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #426 |
452. If they are tautologies how are they knowledge? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 07:18 PM Response to Reply #452 |
458. It's knowledge because you understand it as truth. |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #426 |
454. Wait, I thought 2 + 2 = 0? |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #219 |
227. It either works or it doesn't |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #227 |
237. Acupuncture doesn't work? |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #237 |
241. As expected there was no absorbtion of the information in that text. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #237 |
248. Bwah! |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #227 |
242. Acupuncture is an interesting example to use. |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #242 |
244. You also ignored what I said. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #244 |
246. I think you just jerked you knee a bit. |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:31 PM Response to Reply #246 |
252. You've missed the point. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #252 |
256. It's a matter of degrees here. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #256 |
266. I love the definitive statements... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #266 |
268. I find your lack of faith disturbing! |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #268 |
269. Gray is my favorite color... |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #256 |
289. I care. |
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ideagarden (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #252 |
267. your lack of knowledge is not becoming |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #267 |
282. Well, studies show that... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #242 |
290. Certain chiropractic traditions are *still* a bunch of woo. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #290 |
313. Well, yeah. And they're frauds. nt |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
250. Thank You, Thank You, Thank You! |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
287. this science=religion meme is making me sad |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:32 PM Response to Reply #287 |
315. A particularly insidious meme both proposed and adopted by those who understand neither. nt |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #315 |
427. Ooo...proposed AND adopted. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:18 PM Response to Reply #287 |
332. I never said anything of the sort |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #332 |
346. No, but nearly everyone who liked your OP said something to that effect, |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #346 |
382. You conveniently forgot the most obvious possibility |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
318. I skipped this yesterday due to its fallacies... |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
328. Yet another huge bucket of dumb |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #328 |
333. If you want it to stop, just put me on ignore. It's real simple |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #333 |
337. I didn't just mean you, I mean all of this pseudo science crap |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #337 |
339. I don't believe that I talked about pseudoscience in my OP |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #339 |
341. Dude, you defended acupuncture, esp and a belief in the soul |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #341 |
344. And you know that how? |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:08 AM Response to Reply #344 |
372. By no longer being 6 years old (nt) |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:32 AM Response to Reply #372 |
385. Great comeback -- in other words you're a secular fundamentalist |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #385 |
414. Why can't he be a fundmentals fundamentalist? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #339 |
343. ESP is a pseudoscience, and you brought it up in your OP. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:12 AM Response to Reply #343 |
352. Here is mediumship in a triple blind, peer reviewed journal. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:59 AM Response to Reply #352 |
363. LOL! |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 02:00 AM Response to Reply #363 |
364. Peer-reviewed, triple blind. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 02:05 AM Response to Reply #364 |
365. It's easy to get published when your "peers" are all nuts. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 02:10 AM Response to Reply #365 |
366. I love exposing the "s"cientists. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 02:13 AM Response to Reply #366 |
368. You've got nothing left but ad hominems. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 02:22 AM Response to Reply #368 |
370. LOL. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 08:42 AM Response to Reply #352 |
381. You're kidding right? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #381 |
403. And a study in which the 'mediums' were given a first name |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #337 |
398. It's Trafficant-hair dumb...nt |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #398 |
401. Brilliant analysis! |
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ms liberty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
330. KR&B. n/t |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
340. Hey, Time4 change: That was well-written and well-reasoned |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:12 AM Response to Original message |
373. thank you for this effort. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 07:51 AM Response to Reply #373 |
378. Well, that's generally what scientists do. |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #378 |
425. one produced negative results? ooh, that's really interesting! it should be studied. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #425 |
428. Huh? |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 03:29 AM Response to Reply #428 |
429. very simple, that anomaly is interesting and should be studied. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 05:24 AM Response to Reply #429 |
432. ? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #373 |
386. I like that way of looking at it -- thank you |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
379. An interesting, thoughtful read |
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mwb970 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
380. Rules for further posting to this dumb thread. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #380 |
387. Good rules |
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mwb970 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:18 AM Response to Reply #387 |
392. Yes, you're right about that one. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #380 |
395. You forgot a few... |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
390. Sometimes agreeing on a definition of terms changes the tone to a more respectful one |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #390 |
399. Another great post! |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 05:14 AM Response to Reply #399 |
431. pride and prejudice vs The wonderful wizard of woo |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #390 |
400. Thank you Bongo Prohphet -- Lots of good ideas here |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 05:25 AM Response to Reply #400 |
433. I think you did well, though I could tell it was different than your intent |
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