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ohiosmith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:24 PM Original message |
Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men' |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. Its a logically sound argument. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. Think of it in terms of damages |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Condoms aren't always effective |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. "the condom broke" |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:29 AM Response to Reply #28 |
55. If the state has a compelling interest in the child |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #55 |
97. neither agrees to parenthood, but they do effectively agree to the possibility of pregnancy |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #55 |
107. The state's alleged compelling interest in the child is creating a backlash |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:18 AM Response to Reply #25 |
71. Interesting view |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Deleted message |
Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
101. How very silly |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. You didn't answer my question. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. I did, actually |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. You seem to be fuzzy on the concept of "answer". |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #111 |
145. It's amazing that at DU |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #145 |
158. Once you get used to the unwritten rules, it gets easier. |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #71 |
109. Responsibility goes both ways regarding STDs |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #109 |
117. That doesn't change anything. |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #25 |
73. DAmages it causes? |
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WildClarySage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #73 |
99. Women already know this |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
102. How about protecting yourself from a liability/paternity suit? |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #73 |
121. Why aren't you one of the ones crying loudest for effective male birth control? |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
96. Even in the case of fraud |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #96 |
103. He said she said |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #96 |
106. being defrauded doesn't necessarily excuse one of one's own legal responsibilities |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
82. declining a financial obligation is not covered under privacy. |
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Unrepentant Fenian (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
154. Agree |
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yet another example of the inherent anti-male bias of the system. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
52. The system routinely fucks over men |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. You're kidding, right? nt |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #52 |
75. Especially in here |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #75 |
147. It is amazing |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
133. No -- I think men know it's nature which does all that to men . . . |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
3. Link? |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Google is your friend |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
4. this guy had a crap lawyer and a remarkably stupid argument |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'm a man, and I call bullshit on this line of "reasoning". |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. If I wasn't married, I'd marry you. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. He ought to sue for full, sole custody |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:41 PM Original message |
And you'd be stupidly misinformed. |
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AnotherGreenWorld (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
50. The doctors, in that case, really bear some share of responsibility, I think. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. i'm trying to get my mind around |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:41 AM Response to Reply #24 |
56. Of course then there are the guys |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. You do realize you're talking about a child, don't you? A living, breathing human being. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. for those who would say such a thing |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #27 |
87. It's an interesting society we've designed. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #87 |
91. 'We then transfer the responsibility for financially supporting this decision onto the man' |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. "a lot of women are financially supporting their families these days" |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I fully agree with your last sentence |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. If those were the only important criteria, the answer's easy. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #98 |
110. Allowing men to terminate parental rights like that would be a very bad idea |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. Men don't have carte blanche to impregnate women. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Oh I see, the responsibility rests on women |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. No, the choice rests with women. |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. Yes, there is an array of BC available nowadays |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. An array? |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. I'm sorry, I must have misread the post I replied to where you wrote |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. No need to apologize, I must have misread the post where you wrote |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. OK, so let me be frank |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. Not. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #131 |
161. Allowing men to bow out of their financial obligations toward their offspring |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #130 |
141. Of course birth control is a woman's responsibility |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #93 |
149. How's about my suggestion in post # 57 ? |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. Yet he still failed to protect himself |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
35. If she lied to him, he should file a civil suit on that basis and defend it in court. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. That's not what I'm referring to at all, though |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Again, if he was so very certain that he never wanted to be a father |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
104. Wait a minute! |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #104 |
112. both acted, and so both have responsibilities |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #104 |
120. Let's take a step back |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. Just as weak |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. That may be so. But people also do file all kinds of crazy lawsuits. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #12 |
80. where does the article say she lied? point it out or QUIT calling her a liar. n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
134. .... just for spite, evidently --- ??? !!! |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Like my daddy should have told me but I figured out myself well enough: |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
38. I have a friend from college who had a similar experience. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #38 |
84. I remember a guy in HS...Catholic HS...who got his girlfriend preggers |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
46. So, you're saying HE'S "irresponsible", when SHE lied to HIM |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #46 |
63. Yes, he was irresponsible. This case, under the law is not about what she said |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:17 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I guess the question is |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
94. That's not the question |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #94 |
142. I would say yes to # 1 |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:18 AM Response to Reply #46 |
72. In my story or the OP's? |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #46 |
81. he is irresponsible |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. Hekate sends you a big hug and smooch. You are a gem. nt |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 08:22 AM Response to Reply #6 |
69. You mentioned the key point IMO |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #6 |
83. Great post. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
7. I agree with the inherent injustice in the current system, |
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. ! |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. By "the system," I do not mean "society." |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:52 AM Response to Reply #19 |
57. Interesting |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
113. LOL, fair is for man to get someone pregnant and walk away? and not yet fair enough for you... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #113 |
150. I know |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. But, how do we know it was a lie? |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. I didn't say she lied, |
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colinmom71 (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
39. I remember reading about the initial court trial evidence... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
47. There was no contract |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Analogy, cuke. nt |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
152. horrible analogy |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
62. Then there are the vindictive fathers who insist on getting custody AND child support from the mothe |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #62 |
76. Are you suggesting that this was unjust? |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #76 |
132. You're wrong. I'm not responsible for my child's college education. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #132 |
140. . |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #140 |
146. yes. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #140 |
169. I paid thousands of dollars for the child's grade school education, too. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
9. in my fertile years |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. except that wasn't hearsay |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. if her doctor tells him, and has evidence to show him, |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. How do you know that? |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
43. That happened to me too. After going through infertility treatment, years and years of it, I was |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Except the child would also be bearing part of the consequence. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:58 AM Response to Reply #22 |
58. "If daddy doesn't pay up, she suffers." |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #58 |
85. But that's true even if the child's parents were married and stayed married. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #58 |
95. We've been over this before. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. BINGO |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
11. Have you straight boys ever heard of rubbers? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
17. Good. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
26. What if he'd gotten her to sign a contract prior to the event? |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:00 AM Response to Reply #26 |
59. It wouldn't matter because |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #59 |
70. Interesting--and consistent with the ruling, now that I think about it |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #59 |
148. The best interests of the child are the primary consideration, NOT a contract. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #148 |
151. The best interest of the child |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
29. In general, I believe that if you play you pay. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. You realize, of course, that that is an anti-abortion argument as well. n/t |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. yes, I do, but that not what we're talking about. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:01 AM Response to Reply #29 |
60. "You play you pay" |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #60 |
90. I didn't realize we were talking about the legality abortion. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
32. A really scary scenario: |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. oh, you mean like in the 1950s: |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Pretty much. nt |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:02 AM Response to Reply #32 |
61. If Roe versus Wade were overturned |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:58 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. In quite a few ones, it would. Instantaneously. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 04:04 AM Response to Reply #61 |
68. Deleted message |
mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:51 AM Response to Reply #61 |
86. It would here in Arizona |
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onelittleindian (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #61 |
167. yupster |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:24 AM Response to Reply #32 |
65. On this plus side, it sounds like this guy got his Lawyer out of a vending machine. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:32 AM Response to Reply #32 |
78. Then next is the man's right to force an abortion if he chooses not |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #78 |
118. No, that makes too much sense. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
33. . |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
41. If he did not want to have to worry about it, he should not have allowed her to have his sperm |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
54. And now his daughter will have a legal record |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:43 AM Response to Original message |
66. Kick. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
77. If he doesn't want to become a father, he shouldn't have sex |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #77 |
88. Great post, treestar. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
79. privacy over your body vs declining a financial obligation is not the same thing. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
89. THIS is how the patriarchy works |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
100. Good. Newsflash: sex can result in pregnancy, so one should be prepared to accept the consequence |
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Egalitariat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 10:04 AM Response to Reply #100 |
157. Sounds like an Anti-Choice argument to me. If applied to women, that is. Who's side are you on? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #157 |
162. It is the same argument, but the consequences of the argument are vastly different. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #162 |
166. My argument was that both man and woman should accept the consequence of pregnancy, NOT that both |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. There are similarities to both arguments. I'm not saying they're identical. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #157 |
165. Bullshit. It's already applied to both women and men, and it's not anti-choice at all |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
108. Sigh. Again? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #108 |
124. "Choice" is for women, "responsibility" is for men. Got it. n/t |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. If abortion affected a woman's wallet instead of her body, then you could equate the two. n/t |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. This comes off as a non-sequitur. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #128 |
155. Calling the attempt to rid men of the obligation of child support "Men's Roe v Wade" |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #155 |
159. Reductionism |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 10:41 AM Response to Reply #159 |
160. Roe v Wade was about privacy. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. It does affect their body |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #129 |
156. Then I guess I have an argument not to pay my taxes. |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #124 |
136. No. Responsibility is for both parents |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #136 |
137. I was talking about the post to which I responded. n/t |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
135. what a dumbass |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:39 PM Response to Reply #135 |
144. Hear, Hear! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
138. IMO, ther are many women who have not wanted any involvement by the male .... |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
139. Good. The last thing we need is to make it even easier for a man to ignore his responsibilities |
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Synnical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
143. Male birth control is much needed |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
153. Just Say No to Sex with an Anti-Choicer. |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
163. Kick. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
164. I wonder how many people here who support the Roe v Wade for Men movement |
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