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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 10:54 AM Original message |
The Planted Question Does Bother Me; Potemkin Politicking |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
1. Thanks for putting this in context |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. The Tactic Presupposes... |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
2. It beyond bothers me because it is a device that has been used |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. That was the first thing I thought of when I heard about the planted question. |
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gilpo (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. To play devil's advocate for a second.... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
75. Baloney - Gore and Kerry both beat Bush. The RNC stole it for Bush and the DNC let them |
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gilpo (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
104. I wasn't referring only to presidential elections.... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #104 |
115. You think a GOP controlled corpmedia would LET Dems commit election fraud |
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gilpo (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-16-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #115 |
122. I don't want thieving dems either.... |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
65. Love Your Screenname... |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Thank you! |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Definitely Applies in the Foothills of the Virginias! |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
109. The Parallel with Bush Events... |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
4. The ONLY PROBLEM is how many damn questions did the other |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. No, the "bunch of shit" is your candidate got caught red-handed |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I'm Not Decided |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #4 |
29. It is one thing to suggest a person ask a question |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Even suggesting a topic creates the illusion |
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Egalitariat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
106. And pick the precise profile of the questioner so that it grooves nicely with the canned answer*** |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Post-Modern Packaging n/t |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
46. Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter-accusations. n/t |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
57. Afraid no one would ask about HEALTH CARE??? |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
91. So you're literally saying the ONLY problem is when OTHER candidates do it? |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
5. while it can be abused, the planted question is standard Group Discussion technique |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. At Annual Meetings... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
6. A lot of it depends on intent. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Oh please |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. "Steered away from the question she wanted to ask" - what question? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. She wanted to ask a question about energy |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Well, it did get her called on, hmm? |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Maybe She Should've ... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Exactly! |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. That Would've Produced a More Interesting Result, Perhaps |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Agreed. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. So it's the questioner's fault |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Blame the Victim? n/t |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Victim? Hardly. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. So Clinton's campaign was being honest by paying off on the bribe |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Bribe? That's hilarious. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. Classic straw man |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Faustian Bargains Are ... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. But Faust is an old story |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I Could Probably Work in an Aesop's Fable or Two... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. That doesn't make the statement any less true. |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. I Think It Was an Extremely lll-Advised Tactic... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. It may be ill-advised, but I suspect it's much more common than we'd like to believe. |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. What Did She Miss at That Stop? |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Audience questions would have garnered more attention than prepared remarks. |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. You've Done a Better, More Organic, More Authentic Job... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Nope, I'm way too cynical and sarcastic to be a politician. |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. LOL! Didn't Stop Joe Biden... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. That's true. |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Biden Is Super Smart... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Agreed. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. They obviously don't know what they're doing |
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MANative (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #61 |
86. Learning isn't about answering questions |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. "That's the First I've Heard of That Problem/Issue, Thank You... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Ok, fair play here.... |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. I Think More Pols Should Admit... |
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MANative (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. In true problem-solving, that 's not an unacceptable answer. |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Good Point... |
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MANative (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. If only.... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. That's what |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Yes, and the fact thatr the Hillary campaign lied about it shows guilt. Why lie if there is nothing? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. How to Make A Very Big Issue Out of a Relatively Small One |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. "Indeed My Campaign Did Have Planted Questions for That Young Woman" |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Better: "We Made an Error in Judgement to Get The Facts Out About |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. That's so true..if there's nothing |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
9. Look, it's a Town Hall Meeting. Planting questions means it's NOT a Town Hall Meeting |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Potemkin Politicking |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
12. The planted question should have been... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. ding ding ding! |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
45. ... discarded as a very bad idea. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. What is bad about it? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. And not only that... |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Not at all. Just a *particular* one.... nt |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
84. or "Nazi Prick" |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
22. Why is everybody distressed? Hillary promised she'd beat R's at their own game and this is example. |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Among the Problems with This Tactic... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
49. Law Of UnIntended |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
48. But, she got busted and |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
64. You Raise a Great Point |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
35. It's just more of the same, and I'm fucking sick of it. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
52. Or replace agressive fascism with a smiley face fascism. It's STILL the Fascism, Stupid. |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
36. Can we at least agree that at least the questions were given to ordinary citizens |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. The "Tammany Hall" Explanation? |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. Spare me if your trying to be sarcastic, if not I appologize before hand.. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. It happens all the time. It's getting attention solely because it's Hillary. |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. I Was Tweaking Your Nose a Bit... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #58 |
74. There is that! |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #58 |
95. Couldn't agree more. But in this climate with having to deal with |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. WWJFKD? |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #98 |
114. I would think number 2, I get your point. |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. That Question - WWJFKD? - Should Be Front and Center... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
54. I'm not believing some |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Some of It Is Campaign Staffers Embarrassed... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. Somebody advised |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Now There Is One Overpaid "Strategist"... |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
66. The thing is, it was so unnecessary for her campaign to do that! |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I Wholeheartedly Agree! |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
79. Good point. Happens all the time in the debates. |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
71. Tonight: Any Answer She Gives That Begins with, "Look," |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #71 |
85. "Look" is some kind of |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Encapsulated in That Single Word... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #87 |
101. Condescending and |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #71 |
89. She can use it only if she's responding to the moderator and she follows it with the word... |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. I'd Pay Hard American Dollars... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
88. As predicted more instances of 'planted questions' are surfacing.... |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. Yeah, This One... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #93 |
102. The reason this 'STICKS' is it is 'SELF-INFLICTED' and so unnecessary... |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Until/Unless They Let Responsible Staffers Go... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. I Agree. n/t |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
108. Bush Sr. painted one side of a barn just for a photo op. |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
110. I've worked on congressional campaigns.. what she did is not unusual at all... |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. The Naifs Aren't Those Who Criticize the Practice... |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
111. Hey guess what? Bush ROUTINELY did worse than that... AND... |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Is the Argument... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. Exactly. |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
118. Its very Bush-like |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Let's Give Credit Where It's Due: It's Very Rove-Like, and Has Mark Penn's Fingerprints n/t |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
120. I think it is a very old political tactic. I doubt very much if Hillary is the only one who has |
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CorpGovActivist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-15-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. You're Right... |
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