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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 01:40 PM Original message |
Simple majority to impeach - 2/3 to convict |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yes, a failed impeachment would be such a big win for us. n/t |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. My point was accuracy and truth, no more no less. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. OK, here's the truth: |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. The trial. They would *have* to address the allegations which resulted |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Who? |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Their own rules give them no choice. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Remember the Clinton impeachment hearings...? |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. The "wall to wall" coverage about blow jobs and cigars and bad/good |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 06:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
55. Fine |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. Yeah... ZERO votes to impeach is soooooo much better. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. What's the difference? |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Even the fox made an effort before muttering "sour grapes" and giving up. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I don't agree with you... |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
40. The difference is they'd have to tell us the truth about why they're not |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Umm...because they know they can't convict? |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. If they say they can't impeach because it takes 2/3, then they are not telling |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. ... |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Rather than repeat myself or repeat the words of others, I'll invite you to read |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I already have. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Nothing at all. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. Oh wow... |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 03:17 AM Response to Reply #48 |
70. why would the american people vote to reelect some dem that |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 05:35 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. To be cynical, I think you vastly overestimate the attention span of the American people. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #76 |
90. And I think you vastly underestimate the pain experienced by many in the US |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #90 |
100. Still, numbers don't lie. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. I'm sorry you saw it as a lecture. I was trying to bring more information out |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #76 |
112. but but but...i AM an american--and i certainly am not the only one thinking that way |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 06:11 AM Response to Reply #48 |
78. Why would any Dem bother to vote because we already know the fix is in... |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #48 |
94. Because it is the right thing to do? |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 03:15 AM Response to Reply #47 |
69. you're right. it only takes a SIMPLE majority. whoever says otherwise |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 07:55 PM Response to Reply #45 |
64. A conviction is icing |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 05:36 AM Response to Reply #64 |
77. Good luck with that... |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
107. You as well, sir. Apathy is hard work, I understand. |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 03:14 AM Response to Reply #45 |
68. you don't press charges against someone based on your guess |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 03:11 AM Response to Reply #22 |
67. you mean a failed conviction, right? impeachment is in the house |
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John Kerry VonErich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 08:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
87. Oh yeah |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 09:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
113. IMO just like the failed impeachment of President Clinton |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. Bush and Cheney ain't going anywhere without the 2/3rds. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. At least it's accurate. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Yes. Democrats are liars. Got it. nt |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Yep, exactly what I said. If a majority is needed to impreach and someone |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
32. Air the crimes before the American people. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Very good points and very well stated, too. Thank you. |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 05:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
72. Not Necessarily So |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
3. remove the plank from your own eye before you pick the mite out of your neighbor's |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. There's a new "talking point" going around. |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. it's an old one around here...lol |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Yeah, you're right on that. |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
4. exactly - it' very do-able |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
6. and how would that change the situation the US is in or our leadership? |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. How would accuracy and truth change the situation? |
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indypaul (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
7. But it is |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Start by "making" them tell us the truth rather than lie to us. |
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rjones2818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. F**k the leadership! |
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warren pease (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. Exactly... |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
26. I Appreciate You're Pointing Out The Correct Numbers Regarding This |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I appreciate you getting my point. |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
30. Anyone who says impeachment is good enough is stupid beyond belief |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. ? You talking to me? |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 03:25 AM Response to Reply #31 |
71. john dean was talking to randi about this--he said to start with |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. OJ was found "not guilty", too. |
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rjones2818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. And anybody that says not impeaching is good enough is deserving of... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 06:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
61. Oy! Of motes and logs! |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #30 |
101. anyone who says not impeaching is good enough is stupid beyond belief |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
33. I can't believe I'm the first rec! |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Hi, hootinholler. Thank you for the rec. |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
37. And if Bush is aquitted, then what? |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. See reply 33. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. How many repubs will put party before career? All? Some? Any? |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
42. 25th amendment takes simple majority. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Yep. n/t |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. He is acting rather erratic don't you think? |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. He's not the only one, either...hmmm, it might be unprecedented |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Of course the only ones not seeing the madness of king George |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. And the ones who do, up close and personal, are protecting on of "their own" |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Never trust leaders. They shouldn't be called leaders. They should be |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Good point. Very good point. We should start a "new" talking point... |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. I think that would be a good thing to write about tonight. Mitch |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
59. And they couldn't even manage 2/3 for Clinton |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. I truly wonder if the repubs are so cynical and so disconnected from their |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 07:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. First off |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 08:10 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. As someone pointed out - upthread or another thread - the public is coming |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 05:32 AM Response to Reply #66 |
75. The ground is alreadly swollen |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 06:16 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. That's why "our" Dems are resisting impeachment. The whole... |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 08:05 AM Response to Reply #79 |
85. I don't think it's that hopeless |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:01 PM Response to Reply #85 |
110. I'm going to "coattail" on your hope for now! I'll keep using my voice... |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 07:17 AM Response to Reply #75 |
82. You basically screwed up your own argument. |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 08:19 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. No, you basically screwed up your own argument. |
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RebelSansCause (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
60. so let's say we did impeach cheney and bush |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. It was something I was wondering, too. |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 07:19 AM Response to Reply #60 |
83. Impeachment didn't stop Bill. It certainly won't Chimpy and Darth Cheney. {nt} |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #83 |
91. How many high-ranking members of the administration were covering up for |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 05:11 AM Response to Original message |
73. I now think it WAY past time to impeach |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 05:22 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Past time to impeach...wait until after election then PROSECUTE! |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 06:21 AM Response to Reply #74 |
80. Kucinich would say yes. He already has, several times. |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 07:34 PM Response to Reply #74 |
109. This is a better idea. |
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tomg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
81. Thanks for re-stating majority to impeach, |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 07:29 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. LOL |
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tomg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 08:35 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. Well, yes and no. Seriously, |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #84 |
95. I don't agree with you and your argument would have carried more weight |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #84 |
96. And a P.S. to my previous reply |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
88. As Congressmen, it’s their duty to put things right again. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
92. Well If Our Congress Can't get the Two Thirds Vote |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #92 |
97. True, that. Then we would have it in front of our faces and wouldn't be able |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
93. It would be disrespectful to R tradition to NOT impeach. Think Clinton and |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #93 |
98. There ya go. Good manners demands it! |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
99. impeachment should have been done in 2004 when the WMD weren't found |
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Amanita (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
103. We got simple majority in the House... |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Welcome to DU, Amanita. |
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Amanita (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Thank you. By next year, we might even have the 2/3 in the senate |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #103 |
108. But it ain't that simple |
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Buns_of_Fire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
106. Perhaps it helps to think of them as DISTINCT processes. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
111. Kick for that clarification. -n/t |
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