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HardWorkingDem
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Thu Nov-22-07 02:51 PM Original message |
What is going on with the terrible inter-discourse here!?!? |
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Kurt_and_Hunter
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Thu Nov-22-07 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. You might want to pick a better case to make your points on |
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HardWorkingDem
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. If someone wants to disagree, fine...but to resort to... |
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Fredda Weinberg
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. We bother because humans are malleable. Even anonymous ones |
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Bucky
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Thu Nov-22-07 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm willing to bet that on Thanksgiving you're more likely to get rude responses |
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babylonsister
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Thu Nov-22-07 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. The citizen questioned the speeding ticket and was tased. I |
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The Magistrate
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. He Should Have Signed The Ticket, Ma'am |
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stranger81
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. True enough, but *tasing* is not an acceptable "unpleasant consequence" |
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The Magistrate
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. It was walking Back To The Car, Ma'am, In Defiance Of the Officer's Order |
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stranger81
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Thu Nov-22-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
37. Walking away may have prompted the officer to act, but it was not a violent act |
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The Magistrate
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Thu Nov-22-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Disobeying The Officer Opens You To Violence, Ma'am |
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stranger81
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Thu Nov-22-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Have you seen this video? |
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The Magistrate
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Thu Nov-22-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Yes, Ma'am |
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stranger81
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Thu Nov-22-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. While I agree it "opens you to violence" given the way today's police act, |
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The Magistrate
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Thu Nov-22-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Police Forty Years Ago Would Have Acted The Same, Ma'am |
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U4ikLefty
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Fri Nov-23-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #55 |
98. Forty-five years ago the police were hosing & beating freedom marchers. |
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lumberjack_jeff
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Thu Nov-22-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
81. I'm unclear on what SHOULD have happened. |
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muriel_volestrangler
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Fri Nov-23-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #81 |
94. 6) Large fine and/or confiscation of car at a later date |
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babylonsister
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Fine, then he should have been handcuffed and hauled off, |
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The Magistrate
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. How Do You Propose The Officer Do that, Ma'am? |
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babylonsister
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Thu Nov-22-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. I don't see his refusal to sign a ticket defying an order to halt. Prior to |
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The Magistrate
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Thu Nov-22-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Prior To Tasers, Ma'am, the Officer Would Have Drawn A Pistol, Or Swung a Stick |
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babylonsister
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Thu Nov-22-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I'd like to know what 'law' the cop was following and what it was; the |
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baby_mouse
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Sat Nov-24-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
122. Wrestling match, I'm afraid. |
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LandOLincoln
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
30. I think this is the first time I've ever disagreed with you, Magistrate sir. |
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The Magistrate
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. There Does Not Seem Much Doubt, Ma'am, the Officer Botched the Ticketing Business |
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cboy4
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Thu Nov-22-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
46. Using the taser on someone who is not resisting in |
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The Magistrate
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Thu Nov-22-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
62. Close Combat Is Much More Chancy, Sir |
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cboy4
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Thu Nov-22-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Of course close combat is much more chancy, but |
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The Magistrate
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Thu Nov-22-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. In a Situation, Sir |
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cboy4
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Thu Nov-22-07 06:13 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Well Magistrate, if you believe that, then you |
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The Magistrate
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Thu Nov-22-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. What Occurred, Sir |
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baby_mouse
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Sat Nov-24-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #66 |
123. You appear to be suggesting that the driver's behaviour constitutes a mitigating circumstance. |
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hfojvt
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Thu Nov-22-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. a reasonable fear? |
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lumberjack_jeff
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Thu Nov-22-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
83. There are situations in which tasers as the better of two evils |
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Thu Nov-22-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
60. Well if you can get tased for not signing a ticket, what happens if you do something worse |
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BeachBuckeye
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Thu Nov-22-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
67. Question |
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HardWorkingDem
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Thu Nov-22-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. In Illinois... |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Sat Nov-24-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #67 |
110. California does |
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Breeze54
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Thu Nov-22-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
75. That is debatable, according to the state police there! |
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Gormy Cuss
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Sat Nov-24-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
116. Yes, both handled themselves poorly but one was working and should have known better. |
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treestar
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
4. You haven't lived until you've been told you are racist and |
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Bucky
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Nice post, Hitler, but I liked it better in the original German |
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kurth
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
7. People hate police brutality, not police |
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HardWorkingDem
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Again, when in training... |
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kurth
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. If the taser hadn't been invented |
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HardWorkingDem
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Thu Nov-22-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
53. "Use of Force Continuum"... |
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hlthe2b
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Such caution is paramount and very understandable.. |
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LakeSamish706
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. And there in lies much of the problem... |
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kurth
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Thu Nov-22-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. It's the "cops can do no wrong" mentality that pisses people off |
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LakeSamish706
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Thu Nov-22-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. And the cover up that seems to follow every one of these incidents! n/t |
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The Magistrate
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
8. A Number Of People, Sir, Have Had Poor Experiences With Police |
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HardWorkingDem
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. I agree with you... |
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The Magistrate
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Glad To Hear You Do, Sir |
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HardWorkingDem
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Thu Nov-22-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
50. Several mistakes were made all around... |
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The Magistrate
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Thu Nov-22-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. But The Officer's Mistakes Were Important, Sir |
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hlthe2b
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Thu Nov-22-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. Yes... |
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TahitiNut
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Indeed. There is no "middle ground" in performing police duties. |
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The Magistrate
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Well Said, My Friend! |
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LakeSamish706
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Now that was the most excellent post on this thread... That is exactlly... |
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TahitiNut
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Thu Nov-22-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
79. Thank you, sir. Having worn uniforms, I'm intimately familiar with the conundrum. |
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lumberjack_jeff
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Thu Nov-22-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
84. Very well said. Please show it to your doctors |
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TahitiNut
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Fri Nov-23-07 01:00 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Well ... some of them might be convinced it indicates brain damage. |
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hlthe2b
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Thu Nov-22-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
70. Finally. the kind of "sanity" I have come to expect from you, Magistrate |
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NotGivingUp
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Sat Nov-24-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #70 |
104. I find the Sir/Ma'am thing extremely patronizing. |
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Mythsaje
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
11. Most ordinary people dislike and/or distrust cops |
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shadowknows69
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
15. Doesn't pay to simply play devil's advocate sometimes |
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stranger81
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
16. You're getting flack b/c the "insight" you're offering could come |
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NotGivingUp
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Sat Nov-24-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
105. Exactly! nt |
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LakeSamish706
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
17. For those of you that have or have not been following the Tasing that... |
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kurth
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Betcha there will not be any criminal charges |
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LakeSamish706
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Your probably correct.. and one of the other issues was the language problem... |
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kurth
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Thu Nov-22-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Polish-speaking airport worker wasn't asked to help: |
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LakeSamish706
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Thu Nov-22-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. So there ya have in a nut shell... This whole thing could have so easily been avoided... |
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hlthe2b
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
18. I haven't read your posts but I noticed on the ABC comment |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Sat Nov-24-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
111. And that is my point exactly |
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patrice
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
26. What do you expect in an environment where virtual "people" go by |
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EstimatedProphet
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Thu Nov-22-07 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
33. You're no liberal! |
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kentuck
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Thu Nov-22-07 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
36. You don't have to be a genius to see that.... |
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HardWorkingDem
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Thu Nov-22-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
59. All tools can be used incorrectly... |
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hlthe2b
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Thu Nov-22-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. Maybe... but in many many cases, it has become a crutch... |
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lumberjack_jeff
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Thu Nov-22-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
85. I wonder if more people have died from police tasers in the last year... |
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HardWorkingDem
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Fri Nov-23-07 01:30 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. If that is the case, the Taser might not have been.. |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Fri Nov-23-07 01:49 AM Response to Reply #36 |
90. Actually no |
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Bluebear
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Thu Nov-22-07 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
48. There is no excusing the Utah trooper. Also, Amnesty International is protesting taser use at all. |
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upi402
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Thu Nov-22-07 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
51. I think it's like lawyer jokes |
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Evoman
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Thu Nov-22-07 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
52. This is what a good cop would do. |
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HardWorkingDem
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Thu Nov-22-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Oh, you are so INCORRECT on this one... |
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Perry Logan
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Thu Nov-22-07 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
54. At least we've had a fairly polite discussion here. |
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HardWorkingDem
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Thu Nov-22-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. It has been excellent... |
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Tejas
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Thu Nov-22-07 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
57. link? |
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Thu Nov-22-07 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
69. Deleted message |
hlthe2b
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Thu Nov-22-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Oh, please... |
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Mutineer
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Thu Nov-22-07 09:33 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. I have two family members who are in Law enforcement |
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hlthe2b
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Thu Nov-22-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Oh, by the way, you are being very disingenous |
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HardWorkingDem
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Fri Nov-23-07 01:28 AM Response to Reply #77 |
87. In another thread I replied to... |
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hlthe2b
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Fri Nov-23-07 08:22 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. I am sorry that we have a few morons... probably visiting disruptors |
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mitchtv
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Thu Nov-22-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #69 |
80. Then why in fuck to you bother |
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Bluebear
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Thu Nov-22-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
82. Simple crap. nt |
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Thu Nov-22-07 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
78. It is indefensible, The Magistrate notwithstanding, Sir. |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Fri Nov-23-07 01:37 AM Response to Original message |
89. I've watched the tape |
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HardWorkingDem
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Fri Nov-23-07 05:38 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Disagree.... |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Sat Nov-24-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #96 |
109. And the officer escalated to a point |
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HardWorkingDem
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Sun Nov-25-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #109 |
131. Nope, police not always required to inform immediatly prior to arrest... |
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Fri Nov-23-07 07:12 AM Response to Original message |
91. LOL, are you new here? (n/t) |
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Fri Nov-23-07 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
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seemslikeadream
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Fri Nov-23-07 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
95. 300 TASER DEATHS LAST YEAR |
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HardWorkingDem
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Fri Nov-23-07 09:17 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Link? |
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seemslikeadream
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Fri Nov-23-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. Here's one |
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Fri Nov-23-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. I'd like to see a reference for that. Last I heard it 250+ involved deaths up to 2006. |
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Fri Nov-23-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. 291 reported deaths |
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aikoaiko
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Sat Nov-24-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. I misunderstood your subject line. -- you meant 300 deaths over the last several years |
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Sat Nov-24-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #103 |
108. sorry my fault |
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Rex
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Fri Nov-23-07 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
101. I won't call you any of those things, you just are wrong about this event |
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Warren Stupidity
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Sat Nov-24-07 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
106. So basically you are defending the police torturing and killing people with tasers |
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HardWorkingDem
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Sat Nov-24-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Oh, another one... |
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NotGivingUp
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Sat Nov-24-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #107 |
113. You DEMAND it? ...Or keep your mouth shut? YES, you most certainly DO have a problem!!! n/t |
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HardWorkingDem
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Sat Nov-24-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. You darn right... |
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Tuesday Afternoon
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Sat Nov-24-07 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
112. you think it is bad, here |
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xmas74
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Sat Nov-24-07 07:18 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. Really? |
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Tuesday Afternoon
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Sat Nov-24-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. you know what |
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xmas74
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Sat Nov-24-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. What was years ago? |
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Tuesday Afternoon
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Sat Nov-24-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. uhmm--- |
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xmas74
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Sat Nov-24-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. It might have been dead. |
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Sat Nov-24-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. I am at home with a broken elbow or I wouldn't be here today. |
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xmas74
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Sat Nov-24-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. It clears it up perfectly. |
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Tuesday Afternoon
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Sat Nov-24-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. I know of what you speak... |
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Dr. Strange
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Sat Nov-24-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #112 |
127. Hey, don't be dissing the Lounge! |
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Tuesday Afternoon
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Sat Nov-24-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. aw -- |
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Gormy Cuss
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Sat Nov-24-07 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
117. There's always the one percent of posters who go overboard. |
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Sat Nov-24-07 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
128. I've seen the video, the driver was walking all about after being asked to exit the vehicle... |
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Tuesday Afternoon
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Sat Nov-24-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. very insightful post...from experience |
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