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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 03:04 PM Original message |
The So-Called “Liberal Elite” |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. You mean "our opponents" like this one? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I don't understand what you're trying to say |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I'm asking who you mean by "opponents." |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I didn't use the word "opponent" in this OP |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. No, but it's there in the first line you . |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. thanks... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. Try being desperately poor for a while, and you will come to recognize the "liberal elite" |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. What kind of "liberals" are you talking about? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Many. Just as an example, one that came up last week... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Those who want to punish poor folk aren't liberal in my view. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. You say something supportive, then you turn around and slap me. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. It wasn't a slam, it was just a question -- trying to understand your point of view |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Oh, come on! That question isn't genuine, and you know it. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I'm sorry you feel that way, but it was an honest question |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. No, because Dems want to believe they are so above it all. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I agree that we need to take a look at ourselves and think about how to improve ourselves |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. give this some thought |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Is it possible that we're wrong in some fundamental and pervasive way? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. yes |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. My opinion of what liberalism is is what I wrote about it in the OP |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. understood |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I don't think I defined it simply as I want to define it |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. another good example |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 07:51 AM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Let's not confuse political parties with political philosophies |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. it's defined that way historically |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I think Two Americas is saying it is up to us liberals to get our priorities in line |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Edwards is a good example of this though |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. That's absolutely true. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. I would put the blame more on the Democratic Party and its leaders per se than on liberals |
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personman (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
110. One can be a liberal-democrat |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. I would put the blame more on the Democratic Party and its leaders per se than on liberals |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
111. yes |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #27 |
63. A lot of our "barriers" are internal. We just can't conceive of ourselves as |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
56. I think you are being too general here |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Well said |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
75. Well said, both of you. :) n/t |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #56 |
104. here is how |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Hmm...okay |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #106 |
169. I couldn't say it any better than that. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
61. That's it.... that's the connection between "liberals" and RW-- |
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personman (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
113. I see liberalism (the elite capitalist version) as an obstacle to self-actualization |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #113 |
121. I see your point |
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personman (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. Yes, it is confusing. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 12:26 AM Response to Reply #126 |
133. a paradox, don't you think? |
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dajoki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #121 |
197. I have been reading this thread intently... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. "so above it all" |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. I don't think it is all personal |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
62. And what are people who are looking down their nose at those of us on the bottom rung? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #62 |
77. Yes there is a name for it |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #77 |
98. True. Good term. And it exists right here on DU. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
237. some of the people you are talking about are on the bottom rung too |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. I rarely do K&R posts.... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
80. Yes, you... you sneered at me... "IT's all about YOU!!" |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #80 |
92. There's a 1,000 nasty things I could say back. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #92 |
102. Prime example of why the term "Liberal Elite" You live up to it marvelously.. |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #102 |
118. Prime example of the term "narcissist" or "self-absorbed." |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. the opposite I think |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. Perhaps there is a bit of both going on. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #125 |
180. Walk in my shoes, and see what the bullies do to you, both spiritually and emotionally. |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #124 |
129. No, TA, I don't see it that way. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #129 |
135. the message |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:04 AM Response to Reply #135 |
136. OK, I like your analogy |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:40 AM Response to Reply #136 |
139. yeah I know |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #139 |
156. There really is a terrible miscommunication of some sort.... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #156 |
159. off track |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. Okay, thanks for that.... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #160 |
182. Bingo. Target hit. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #135 |
181. As usual, you NAILED that exactly! |
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Oak2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #118 |
164. As a poor person I'm not hearing all this shitting over me |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. bravo |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. Thank you for your post |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #167 |
179. no ridicule timeforarevolution |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #179 |
201. TA and bobbolink - |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #167 |
184. "Why is that question ridiculed?" |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #164 |
170. Thanks |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #164 |
183. Thank you so much, Oak2004, for painfully sharing your truth. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #118 |
171. Elite Drama Queen. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
66. Do you seriously mean that? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
93. Deleted message |
Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #66 |
105. yes |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
78. Some of this I don't understand, some I do not agree with |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Well put Andrea. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #78 |
119. ok |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #119 |
130. I don't understand this |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #130 |
134. like water to the fish |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:15 AM Response to Reply #134 |
137. I'm still not with you |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:57 AM Response to Reply #137 |
141. well... |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #141 |
145. It still leaves me in the same place |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #145 |
207. getting people on board |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #207 |
210. I would agree it's a miracle |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #210 |
213. un-lump yourself |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #213 |
215. Thank you. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #215 |
218. I don't know |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #130 |
185. BWAHAHAHAHA! |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #78 |
193. I found what Two Americas said quite profound. |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #193 |
202. Thanks for responding to what I asked |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #202 |
220. Thank you for the opportunity to purge. |
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personman (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
114. Perhaps you are confusing self-actualization and individualism? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #114 |
120. two sides to the same coin |
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personman (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #120 |
128. Ahh |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #128 |
132. yep |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:20 AM Response to Reply #132 |
138. This makes sense |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:49 AM Response to Reply #138 |
140. we can try |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #140 |
142. Yes we can? |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #142 |
147. Just trying to make a silly joke. |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #147 |
148. I got your joke, balantz |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. Hiya Andrea! |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #149 |
150. Good points, Balantz |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. You know, I think the nagging thing is just the general complacency |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
191. Whoa! Exactly! n/t |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
189. It was a straw man. Bobolink never suggested (s)he would be voting for a R. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #10 |
143. bobbolink: You toss bricks around, then whine when anyone even challenges... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #143 |
195. Better than being a bully. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Self delete -- wrong place |
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personman (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
112. poor IS punishment. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
100. Er, you pay for that bag in grocery prices without the fee |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. there's that "elite", who forget that not EVERYONE is in your circumstances. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
33. Sadly, you're right, bobbo, but we do need limo-libs and latte libs... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. why? |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I doubt they are that few, and they contribute considerable amounts to campaigns. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:55 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. who is blowing off whom? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #41 |
69. Speaking of having it nailed ! We ARE invisible!! |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Who are "they"? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. I thought you were talking about "liberals",... weren't you? |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. You are not happy with how people respond to you |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Andrea, we talked about that in the forum, and none of it ever happened. |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Then I conclude that you are not actually interested in communicating |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. *IF* YOU are "sincere", then reply to my PMs! |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
82. Your characterization of "most liberals" is counter to my experience |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
68. Again, their money means so much more than the pain they cause poor folk. |
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nikto (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 04:56 AM Response to Reply #33 |
43. I make my own Latte.... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 08:03 AM Response to Reply #33 |
48. I agree with all that, and I would add that |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #48 |
70. Yes, I considered Dennis Kucinich. Until he dropped poverty as an issue. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
67. Those "good people" are the ones who continually place their idea of "progressive" progress squarely |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
190. All too often, it's more than "out of touch". |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #190 |
209. racism exists |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #209 |
221. I respectfully disagree. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #221 |
223. response |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #223 |
224. Ininite jobs |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #224 |
225. response again |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #225 |
226. I'm not making up the rules |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #226 |
228. the relevancy |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #228 |
229. Don't presume. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #229 |
231. not presuming anything |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #231 |
232. "If the immigrants were wealthy and white, we would not be having this discussion." |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #232 |
233. I absolutely agree |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #233 |
235. Canadian immigration |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #235 |
239. thanks |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #228 |
240. In the real world, the world as it is today and will be tomorrow and next year |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #240 |
241. ok |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 08:09 AM Response to Reply #241 |
243. "many of whom are desperate for help" |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #243 |
245. real world |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #245 |
246. Is that the best you can do? Personal attack? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #246 |
247. scabs are a separate issue |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #247 |
248. Your arguments sound very Libertarian, and I don't mean the small-L socialist kind |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #248 |
249. misunderstanding |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-25-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #249 |
250. Do you have a reservoir of this stuff in your head? |
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trthnd4jstc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
13. I tell People I am a Liberal |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:25 AM Response to Reply #13 |
42. Thank you -- It always makes me happy to hear of people who are willing to |
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sicksicksick_N_tired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
17. As an economically "POOR" person, "ELITES" are rarely "LIBERAL". |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
49. "Those of us who continue to FIGHT against oppressive regimes have no name, anymore... |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
85. I agree with you |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #85 |
99. Thank you -- It's very nice to know of people who want to put this to good use |
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DetlefK (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
19. The meaning of "liberal" |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #19 |
52. Damn right! We can't let them define what we are -- we need to do that ourselves |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
21. Wes Clark has said: |
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USA_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
22. Pukes Like To Use Labels ... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #22 |
53. I agree that they should fight back a lot more on this than they do |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
29. I think that government is a positive force in the lives of its citizens |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 06:31 AM Response to Original message |
44. Kicking and bookmarking for later. Liberally yours... |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
50. Bobbolink and Two Americas, can we cut to the chase? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. fight |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. But aren't you guys stirring the pot.... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. If all you want to do is to fight a common enemy in order to circle the troops, then yes, |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #72 |
86. If you ever decide to tell us WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO, |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. White noise. bitching. Lashing out. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #89 |
151. You have provided no solutions in either this thread or your previous one |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #86 |
109. trying to answer this |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #109 |
117. Thanks, Mike... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #117 |
122. there you go |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #109 |
146. I appreciate this concrete example |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #146 |
172. "I won't play guessing games and I won't submit to abuse." |
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Tech 9 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
155. I've learned more from the words of |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #155 |
157. Hi, Tech 9 - |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #155 |
158. that means a lot |
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Tech 9 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #158 |
162. You're not alone buddy |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. You know what the sad part is? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #162 |
168. hard to tell |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #168 |
174. I'm printing this out! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #162 |
173. "if we hold out long enough, he'll think he's crazy"? |
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Tech 9 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #173 |
176. Do it! |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #155 |
196. Nine days out of ten, what I read here causes me to wonder why I bother. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
71. When you tell me to forget "income level", then you've left me out. |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #71 |
88. I think it is pretty clear that she is asking for the benefit of the doubt |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Look, Andrea, you went from "friend" to self-appointed castigator. |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. I've made my last attempt to understand |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Your last? Promise? |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #96 |
107. You are really enjoying this, aren't you? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Oh, get off it! Nobody from the vaunted private club has PM'd me, including Andrea. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #50 |
144. Simple silly: Fight among ourselves. |
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Tech 9 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #50 |
153. Total obliviousness |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #153 |
161. Quite obviously, you're correct. n/t |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #153 |
175. Thank you, Tech 9 -- It's refreshing to hear someone "put it out there" |
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Tech 9 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #175 |
177. Liberals hate the poor |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #177 |
178. As angry as people want to paint me, I wouldn't use the term "hate" |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
51. The words liberal and liberty |
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Phred42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
54. Remember Reich-Wingers: Jesus was a Liberal |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. He most certainly was |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
73. And a lot more angry than I am! |
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personman (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
115. If he existed and lived up to his rhetoric, he was at least a socialist, IMO n/t |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #115 |
123. agreed there personman |
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personman (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #123 |
127. I agree. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #127 |
230. "It is a testament to the true good nature of people" GREAT post! |
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nursenwhite (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
57. Proud to be Liberal |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Thank you - and welcome to DU |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
65. you know even when i was desperately poor i was called an "elitist" by the rednecks |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #65 |
81. Exactly |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #81 |
154. i agree EOM |
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Larry Ogg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
76. If there exist a natural genetic instinct of right and wrong |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #76 |
97. Thanks |
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Larry Ogg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. No problem Andrea, I am just happy to point out a few of the many virtues |
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personman (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
116. The idea that the "Elite liberal" is a myth, is a myth... |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #116 |
186. There are elite liberals. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #186 |
187. But |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #187 |
194. I can't speak for anyone else, but |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 08:00 AM Response to Reply #194 |
198. Bill Clinton cared.... |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #198 |
203. Sure it does |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #203 |
206. I don't see how my post was abusive |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #206 |
211. Your post wasn't abusive, sorry |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #198 |
217. Ok... I'm not really a Bill Clinton fan. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #194 |
208. this outrage |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #208 |
212. Implicit in your response is the assumption |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #212 |
214. yes I do |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #214 |
216. You know what, |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
131. it's not the issues, it's the attitudes |
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AlienGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
166. It means the same as "New York agitators" and "Hollywood elite"...Jews and gays |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
188. So are all the threads and posts that bash poor people on DU |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #188 |
204. Could you link to some threads and posts that |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
192. This was written right after Edwards suspended his campaign. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 08:00 AM Response to Reply #192 |
199. That's it! n/t |
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Andrea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #192 |
205. You came a bit late to this thread and may not realize this, |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #205 |
219. The subthreads where you and TA have discussed this are fascinating. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
200. Fascism has been alive here under the guise of "conservatism" for a long time |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
222. "Liberal elite" means people with advanced degrees that do not vote Republican |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
227. Nominated! Very well done |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
234. It's just a wedge to separate the liberal stupid from the liberal smart. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #234 |
236. Did you read all of this thread? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #234 |
238. "liberal stupid?" |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #238 |
242. Class exists. But it is negligible. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 08:36 AM Response to Reply #242 |
244. Nonsense |
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