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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:28 PM Original message |
What's wrong with this idea? (electric cars) |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. Tangentially, there's a flick out there called something like "Who Killed The Electric Car?".... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. Great movie. |
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Wickerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
2. the size and bulk of a current electric car battery |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. I guess we were discussing it in terms of newer battery technologies |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:33 AM Response to Reply #2 |
47. Of course, never mind the counter examples... |
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Wickerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 07:59 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. of course, one could just offer up the counter example without being snarky |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
76. Ultracapicitor technology |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
3. Gasoline is regulated... would the batteries? |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. " ..... how would stations be kept from pawning off over used batteries that won't hold a charge?" |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
27. How about customers pawning off bad batteries on the business? |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:04 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. How? |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #27 |
64. The company that services the battery would do a load test |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #27 |
67. The battery packs would be electronically ID'd. nt |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Simple bar code technology |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Better! nt |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 08:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
55. as batteries get older, they don't hold a charge as long... |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
78. There are batteries that would show a full charge and then discharge faster than normal. |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
4. The wrinkle (and it is a small one) |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. In the OP, I suggested the battery woujld be owned by the battery company, not the car owner ....... |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #13 |
41. The thing i like about the |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
5. Coal fired power plants |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Presumably, the charging is from the grid ........ |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #5 |
23. Its still more efficient. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #23 |
60. its definitely a win/win for all |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
6. You would need to radically expand the power grid to handle the load of 100 million cars. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. That won't happen in places other than big cities. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. True, but the point still remains. Where are you going to get that kind of power? |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Scientists have estimated that we can go to electric cars charged on the grid right now by using ... |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:03 AM Response to Reply #28 |
43. "Excess Power" may refer any generation exceeding demand |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #6 |
26. We haven't tapped a fraction of our wind and solar capacity. |
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greenman3610 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #6 |
44. this is a common misconception |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
70. I think its possible |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
7. No problem by me. I understand the risks of sudden discharge and scamming bad batteries for |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Somewhere here I have a book published in the 1970s |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. WOW. What book and author? Thanks. |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
80. I'll have to dig it out |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
8. Well the batteries will weigh hundreds of pounds for starters |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. Heavy batteries are no problem ........ |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #24 |
39. Easier said than done |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
12. Always remember the laws of thermodynamics... |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. So just shoot yourself, it is all a futile effort. I'll pay for the ammo and donate the gun. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Whoa. Hardcore. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 08:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
57. 3rd: You can't get out of the game (nt) |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:05 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. yes - the game never ends. I suppose it *is* kind of depressing when you think about it - lol! |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #61 |
72. I think that would depend on your expectation |
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realisticphish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
19. one nagging worry |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. A lot of jobs will be lost when people lose their homes and places of work |
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realisticphish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
75. yes |
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Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
22. There are lots of electric cars out there right now..... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #22 |
56. here's another: tesla motors. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
25. The future here is in ultra-capacitors |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #25 |
34. I like it! |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #25 |
40. Ultracaps have one-tenth the energy density of NiMH batteries |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Well, it's looking better and better |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Yes it is |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
29. I like it. |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
31. My idea is hybrids with range extenders. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:09 AM Response to Reply #31 |
45. I ran out of gas in my Prius once....it was cool! |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
33. Electricity isn't a power source. To charge the batteries, you need a fuel, plus... |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. And so we .................. ? |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Well, I'd say go back to riding horses, but as you know, they pollute far more than cars. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:26 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Wind and solar-powered ethanol plants |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #37 |
50. People have said you could also use it to get rid of nuclear waste, but ... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 02:36 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. We'd need to take safety precautions, obviously |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
38. I like it. Although even small cars will require sizeable batteries. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
48. I was thinking about precisely this myself. |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:40 AM Response to Original message |
49. You are 96 years too late with this idea. |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:11 AM Response to Original message |
52. There is NOTHING wrong with EVs.. |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
54. I think probably the biggest problem right now is ... |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
58. Where does the energy for the climate control come from? |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. The same place as the rest of the power |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:27 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Then how much energy is left over for actual propulsion? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Air conditioning and heating use almost as much power |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Well... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. The power drain from computers, stereos etc is negligible |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Roll down the windows when it is 100+ degrees in the shade? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. There are a lot more electric car conversions with added heaters |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. Its not uncommon here to be near a hundred degrees and also raining |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
59. I think it's a great idea |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
77. Most folks knowledge of "what's wrong" with EVs comes from astroturf groups set up by corporations. |
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