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SoCalDem
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Thu Jul-31-08 05:38 PM Original message |
My son's friend may end up doing life, because he's an alcoholic & stupid. |
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Faygo Kid
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Thu Jul-31-08 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. Sad story. I hope it has a happy ending. |
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crikkett
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Thu Jul-31-08 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's very sad. and very sad that no reasonable public transit was available. n/t |
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Ron Green
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Thu Jul-31-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I agree. A drunk without a car is not very dangerous, but the ubiquity of cars |
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demobabe
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Thu Jul-31-08 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
4. It makes you wonder |
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SoCalDem
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Thu Jul-31-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Ooops.. I left that out.. He did NOT have a license |
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aspergris
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Thu Jul-31-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
52. you are kidding me right? |
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demobabe
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Fri Aug-01-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #52 |
89. I'm not talking sympathy, well maybe I am - sympathy for ALL of us |
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Marrah_G
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Thu Jul-31-08 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's hard seeing someone you care about throw their life away |
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Warpy
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Thu Jul-31-08 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
6. It's horrible to contemplate, but prison is his best chance right now |
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gateley
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Thu Jul-31-08 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
7. Unless you're an addict, it's impossible to understand the power the addiction |
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Laurab
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Thu Jul-31-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
33. I'm another lucky one. |
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gateley
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Thu Jul-31-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. I think prison might be what it takes. |
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Laurab
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Thu Jul-31-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. And I'm happy for you! |
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GreenPartyVoter
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Sat Aug-02-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
99. That's it exactly. The compulsion to participate in addictive, destructive behavior is |
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glowing
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Thu Jul-31-08 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
8. Alcoholism is a disease.. AND just think, if the United States had |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
53. alcoholism is a disease |
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JonLP24
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Sat Aug-02-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
118. I'm an alcoholic |
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ZenKitty
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Sun Aug-03-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #118 |
123. The difference, my friend, is that ... |
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depakid
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Fri Aug-01-08 03:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
63. In another city or another country with public transportation, he'd have had a better chance |
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Sal Minella
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Thu Jul-31-08 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
10. I think it's not so much a matter of "a few beers," as a matter of having to admit |
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SoCalDem
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Thu Jul-31-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Wow!! 8000 days.. that's wonderful |
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Sal Minella
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Thu Jul-31-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Wanting not to die, wanting not to kill someone else = big motivator!!! |
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yardwork
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Thu Jul-31-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
43. That's it. |
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EFerrari
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Thu Jul-31-08 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
12. Growing up poor doesn't pre-dispose you to addiction, DNA does. |
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Zookeeper
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Thu Jul-31-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I think she was saying that growing up poor kept him from |
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SoCalDem
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Thu Jul-31-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Yep.. that was my point.. He had a public defender |
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JonLP24
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Sat Aug-02-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
119. You're right mostly it is heredity but Environment plays a huge factor as well |
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Zookeeper
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Thu Jul-31-08 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
13. Addiction causes so much heartbreak for everyone. |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Thu Jul-31-08 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
15. Alcoholism isn't his problem, its his insistence of driving while drunk which is his problem |
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Leftist Agitator
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Thu Jul-31-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
41. Amen. |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Fri Aug-01-08 03:29 AM Response to Reply #41 |
62. Ding ding ding!! |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #62 |
74. and they are wrong |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Fri Aug-01-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. I agree with that. |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. it would also (arguably) |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Fri Aug-01-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. DUI checkpoints are a heinous violation of the 4th Amendment |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. That is ARGUABLY true. In my state, they ARE unconstitutional. |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Fri Aug-01-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. BTW, why is it that cops are some of the worst drunk drivers? |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. actually, I know several cops |
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madeline_con
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Thu Jul-31-08 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
17. Will he never be able to have a driver's license? |
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izquierdista
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Thu Jul-31-08 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
19. Another side effect of the car culture |
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jdlh8894
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Thu Jul-31-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Do realize |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Thu Jul-31-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. The square mileage of Europe would fit about the same space. So what? |
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jdlh8894
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Thu Jul-31-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Oh please! |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Thu Jul-31-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. The vast majority of Americans live in cities or well-populated suburbs. |
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Luminous Animal
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Thu Jul-31-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #28 |
50. So you drive two hours to have a drink? |
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izquierdista
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Thu Jul-31-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
49. Check your map again |
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Swede
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Fri Aug-01-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
82. Europe is the sixth largest continent,roughly 4 million square miles. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME
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Thu Jul-31-08 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
20. Better He Costs Himself His Life Before He Costs Someone Else Theirs. |
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cobalt1999
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Thu Jul-31-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. I agree, if he can't stop with the DUIs, eventually he will kill/maim someone. |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Thu Jul-31-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
23. There will always be drinkers, and alcoholics among us. |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #23 |
56. that is a total load of crap |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Fri Aug-01-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Yeah right. The thing is, I dated a cop on the DUI task force a few years ago. |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #59 |
68. you can cherry pick LOCAL statistics. I can talk actual national stats, which is what we are talkin |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Fri Aug-01-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. The woman who founded MADD left the organization |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. so what? |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Fri Aug-01-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. 12000? I thought it was 17000. |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. I'm not rah rah |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Fri Aug-01-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. If you can count the number of friends killed or maimed by drunk drivers on both hands. |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I;m not exaggerating |
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datasuspect
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Sat Aug-02-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #71 |
101. money can buy better stats. |
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demobabe
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Fri Aug-01-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #68 |
91. In a rational world this is true |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. the issue is free will, not so much rationality |
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demobabe
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Sat Aug-02-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #92 |
114. Of course being an alcoholic doesn't excuse anything |
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Leftist Agitator
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Fri Aug-01-08 06:47 AM Response to Reply #56 |
66. To be fair... |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Most states? Not in my experience |
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Generic Other
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Mon Aug-04-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #69 |
126. Aspergris is giving us his professional expertise |
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datasuspect
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Sat Aug-02-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
100. re: your advice |
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SidDithers
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Thu Jul-31-08 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
24. 4 DUIs by age 28?... |
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librechik
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Thu Jul-31-08 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
26. he needs to get the hell out of california--and quit drinking. |
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SoCalDem
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Thu Jul-31-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. We are all just hoping that he finally figures it out this time |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Thu Jul-31-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. If he's going to drink he needs to live in a big city with transportation. |
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moondust
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Thu Jul-31-08 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
29. Detox might work. |
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SoCalDem
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Thu Jul-31-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. He's got 3-6 years to plan his future |
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Ghost in the Machine
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Thu Jul-31-08 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
35. Yeah, my kids just lost 2 more friends because of a drunk driving asshole... |
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Fly by night
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Thu Jul-31-08 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
37. The most frightening words read at the beginning of every AA meeting: |
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dsotm-wywh
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Thu Jul-31-08 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
38. Glad this guy is off the streets |
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Leftist Agitator
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Thu Jul-31-08 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
39. I'm sorry if this sounds callous, but your son's friend is just stupid and irresponsible. |
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Fly by night
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Thu Jul-31-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Rationalize much, do we? |
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Leftist Agitator
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Thu Jul-31-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Oh, I'm SO sorry that the idea that some of us can drink copiously and not fuck up offends you. |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Totally |
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Fly by night
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Fri Aug-01-08 06:31 AM Response to Reply #46 |
64. It's about attraction, not promotion. Some folks get it, others don't. |
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Leftist Agitator
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Fri Aug-01-08 07:05 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Cannabis is all well and good. |
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Fly by night
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Sat Aug-02-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #67 |
96. Thanks kindly. I'll PM you to continue our conversation. |
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Leftist Agitator
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Sat Aug-02-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #96 |
116. I turned PMs back on. |
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Fly by night
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Mon Aug-04-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #116 |
124. I PMed you yesterday morning. Hope to hear back from you whenever. |
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datasuspect
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Sat Aug-02-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
103. there isn't anything inherently wrong with anger |
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Fly by night
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Sat Aug-02-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. There's nothing inherently wrong with stupidity either. |
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datasuspect
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Sat Aug-02-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. everybody is smart in different ways though |
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Fly by night
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Mon Aug-04-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #107 |
125. Not hardly. See response #107 as an example. |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #46 |
73. One has the absolute right |
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NashVegas
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Sat Aug-02-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
109. Skypuddle |
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Leftist Agitator
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Sat Aug-02-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #109 |
115. I turned PMs back on. |
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NashVegas
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Sat Aug-02-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. That Was |
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Leftist Agitator
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Sun Aug-03-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Well then... |
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SoCalDem
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Thu Jul-31-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. You'll get no argument from me.. He is stupid for continuing it |
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dsc
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Thu Jul-31-08 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
40. I hope he can find his way |
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dysfunctional press
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Thu Jul-31-08 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
44. 3-strike laws are INSANE. but that guy needs to get a nice bicycle. |
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Fri Aug-01-08 06:45 AM Response to Reply #44 |
65. I agree. It's double jeopardy times three. |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #65 |
72. It's not double jeapardy |
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Wizard777
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Sat Aug-02-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #72 |
93. I disagree. Once you are tried for a crime. That crime can never be used against you again. |
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Sat Aug-02-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #93 |
102. It isn't double jeopardy |
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NuttyFluffers
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Thu Jul-31-08 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
45. he needs to move to a place where he can get plastered and still get home. |
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lonestarnot
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Thu Jul-31-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. If he can not overcome it, that would be my assessment too. |
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Thu Jul-31-08 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
51. I don't know what to tell the guy, I am an alcoholic but when I used to drink I never drove drunk. |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I totally agree |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Fri Aug-01-08 03:15 AM Response to Reply #51 |
60. The biggest drinkers I know NEVER drive drunk. |
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Fri Aug-01-08 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
57. I know someone like him who continues to get away with it |
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SoCalDem
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Fri Aug-01-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. They do checkpoints all the time.. for DUI and seatbelts |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Fri Aug-01-08 03:27 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Oh god for fuck's sake WHY did he insist on driving? |
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aspergris
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Fri Aug-01-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #57 |
75. most drunk drivers get away with it |
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datasuspect
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Sat Aug-02-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #57 |
104. alcoholism is not a disease. |
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Zywiec
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Fri Aug-01-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
76. Or he may end up doing life because he broke the law multiple times |
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MilesColtrane
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Fri Aug-01-08 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
77. If three years in the joint didn't stop him before... |
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klyon
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Fri Aug-01-08 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
90. that is a very sad story... Addiction is impossible to explain |
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Sat Aug-02-08 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
94. if he were a Bush... no problem n/t |
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old mark
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Sat Aug-02-08 06:36 AM Response to Original message |
95. Alcohol is involved with nearly 90% of all crimes |
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mnhtnbb
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Sat Aug-02-08 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
97. This guy needs to get into AA the MINUTE he steps out of prison. He has an addiction--and he needs |
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datasuspect
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Sat Aug-02-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #97 |
108. they have aa in prison |
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mnhtnbb
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Sat Aug-02-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Well he sure shouldn't quit AA when he gets out. |
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Sat Aug-02-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #97 |
113. What's the success rate of AA? Why don't they publish it? nt |
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Sun Aug-03-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #113 |
121. Effectiveness of strategies for reducing recidivism of DUI/DWI offenders |
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Leftist Agitator
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Sun Aug-03-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #97 |
122. Obviously "hubby" isn't a very good psychiatrist if he requires AA of his charges. |
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Thu Aug-07-08 07:29 AM Response to Reply #122 |
127. Who are you to give advice on recovery to anyone? Give your AA hatred a rest, can't ya. |
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Sat Aug-02-08 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
98. It's ridiculous. Addiction is a disease. Why can't they treat it as such. |
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Sat Aug-02-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
105. My friend Charles in New England |
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mnhtnbb
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Sat Aug-02-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. What a sad story, SOS. I'm sorry you lost your friend. |
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Sat Aug-02-08 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
112. As strange as this sounds, removing him from the environment might help |
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