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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:50 AM
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Is CIA trying to cover-up Rummy's involvement in Swiss nukes....
and Pakistan's role in supplying those nukes at at the US's behest?

Here's the latest

In Nuclear Net’s Undoing, a Web of Shadowy Deals
By WILLIAM J. BROAD and DAVID E. SANGER
Published: August 24, 2008

The files were of particular interest not only to Swiss prosecutors but to international atomic inspectors working to unwind the activities of Abdul Qadeer Khan, the Pakistani bomb pioneer-turned-nuclear black marketeer. The Swiss engineers, Friedrich Tinner and his two sons, were accused of having deep associations with Dr. Khan, acting as middlemen in his dealings with rogue nations seeking nuclear equipment and expertise.

The Swiss president, Pascal Couchepin, took no questions. But he asserted that the files — which included an array of plans for nuclear arms and technologies, among them a highly sophisticated Pakistani bomb design — had been destroyed so that they would never fall into terrorist hands.

Behind that official explanation, though, is a far more intriguing tale of spies, moles and the compromises that governments make in the name of national security.

The United States had urged that the files be destroyed, according to interviews with five current and former Bush administration officials. The purpose, the officials said, was less to thwart terrorists than to hide evidence of a clandestine relationship between the Tinners and the C.I.A.

more at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/25/world/25nuke.html?_r=...

....... ..........
Now here's Rummy on BOD of Swiss nuke company that supplied N. Korea...


Donald Rumsfeld, the US secretary of defence, was on the board of technology giant ABB when it won a deal to supply North Korea with two nuclear power plants.
Weapons experts say waste material from the two reactors could be used for so-called “dirty bombs”.

The Swiss-based ABB on Friday told swissinfo that Rumsfeld was involved with the company in early 2000, when it netted a $200 million (SFr270million) contract with Pyongyang.

The ABB contract was to deliver equipment and services for two nuclear power stations at Kumho, on North Korea’s east coast.

Rumsfeld – who is one of the Bush administration’s most strident “hardliners” on North Korea – was a member of ABB’s board between 1990 and February 2001, when he left to take up his current post.

Wolfram Eberhardt, a spokesman for ABB, told swissinfo that Rumsfeld “was at nearly all the board meetings” during his decade-long involvement with the company.



Rumsfeld was on ABB board during deal with North Korea - swissinfoswissinfo - swiss and international news about business, politic, sciences, culture, tourism, sport, weather. Swissinfo covers Switzerland from every angle ...
www.swissinfo.org/eng/index.html?siteSect=161&sid=1648385

....... ............

And here is a Seymour Hersh article citing Pakistan's role in supplying N.Korea with nuke technology.

Seymour Hersh, "The Cold Test: What the Administration knew about Pakistan and the North Korean Nuclear Program," The New Yorker, January 27, 2002, http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030127fa_fact

and the BBC corroborates Pakistan-N. Korea link:

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Pakistan 'helped N Korea go nuclear'American intelligence officials say that Pakistan was a major supplier of critical equipment for North Korea's nuclear weapons programme, according to US ...
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia-pacific/2339663.stm

...By Jonathan Marcus
BBC defence correspondent



American intelligence officials say that Pakistan was a major supplier of critical equipment for North Korea's nuclear weapons programme, according to US newspaper reports.

It comes after Washington revealed that North Korea had apparently admitted pursuing a nuclear weapons programme despite signing an agreement in 1994 to abandon its research effort.



Conclusion: Fascisti deliberately assisted in building N. Korean nukes to have credible enemy when needed for political purposes. On top of it Rummy profited from his role in the company that supplied the nukes. This is the quintessence of fascism.

Remember PNAC's Strauss: "If an enemy doesn't exist one must be created"


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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 12:05 PM
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1. And Brewster Jennings was probably getting too close for comfort
I can't wait to see these criminals locked up for the rest of their lives
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 12:08 PM
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2. Please tell me more about Jennings. Thanks
:hi:
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 02:45 PM
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10. Brewster-Jennings was the name of the fake CIA company Valerie Plame
worked for - they were the one's tracking down info about the nuclear proliferation and the entire network was blown when they outed Plame to get even for her husband's statement about the forged papers about Saddam trying to buy yellow cake.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:17 PM
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15. Thanks, see my post below on Sibel and Plame. Please add your thoughts.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:02 PM
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12. exactly they knew who was involved
and Joe Wilson's wife was an added bonus
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 12:15 PM
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3. Enter Sibel Edmonds and Valerie Plame!
Whistleblower Exposes Nuclear Smuggling RingApr 9, 2008 ... While running Pakistan’s nuclear programme, he became a millionaire by selling atomic secrets to Libya, Iran and North Korea. ...
www.scribd.com/doc/2480646/Whistleblower



...AN investigation into the illicit sale of American nuclear secrets was compromised by a senior official in the State Department, a former FBI employee has claimed.

The official is said to have tipped off a foreign contact about a bogus CIA company used to investigate the sale of nuclear secrets.

The firm, Brewster Jennings & Associates, was a front for Valerie Plame, the former CIA agent. Her public outing two years later in 2003 by White House officials became a cause célèbre.

The claims that a State Department official blew the investigation into a nuclear smuggling ring have been made by Sibel Edmonds, 38, a former Turkish language translator in the FBI’s Washington field office.



Tip-off thwarted nuclear spy ring probe - Times OnlineJan 27, 2008 ... In the meantime, the role of Plame and Brewster Jennings became public ..... "Even more surprising than North Korea providing its nuclear ...
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3257725.ece




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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 12:32 PM
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4. Sorry. Part of a deal to get NK to give its plutonium-producing reactor in exchange for light-water
reactors produced by ABB that can't be used to make weaspons-grade materials.

Rummy is guilty as hell of a lot of things, but that failed deal wasn't really a problem.

The real scoop is that the uranium enrichment centrifuges that AQ Khan sold NK were part of a CIA scam being run by Valerie Plame's unit at CIA Counter-Proliferation Division. The CIA, Iraq and China scammed NK with a bunch of defective nuclear technologies. Bush-Cheney-Rummy effectively shut down that program when they outed CIA-CPD in 2001, and they finished off Plame by outing Brewster Jennings in 2003. See, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3850098&mesg_id=3851020
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 12:56 PM
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6. I will go read the article, but before I do, I question your choice of words
in reference to Brewster Jennings/CIA/Plame. To me scammed means something illegal or bordering on illegal, subject to legal interpretations.

Deception. Isn't deception the name of the game for CIA operations? Isn't the CIA a legal entity. Isn't that why some in the CIA who have assassinated people or made arrangements for outsiders to do it don't go to jail? I think of that word as applying to someone subverting the law.

The way you have used it makes she and B'J the bad guys and Dick, Don, and George into the good guys? Wanna explain?

Yours is a very strange post.

I take it that you think Plame and B-J did something over the top?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 01:21 PM
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8. Aren't you also saying that Khan got rich while working for the CIA?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:17 PM
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14. I believe he received most of his money from his own entreprenurial skills
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 03:44 PM by leveymg
In other words, he got to keep a healthy percentage of the proceeds from his Saudi-funded and CIA approved proliferation business.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:19 PM
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16. Interesting, you have any links, etc. to back that up....otherwise
I'm curious as to how you would know such things.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:32 PM
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18. I'd urge you to read the article cited which has numerous links.
If there's anything specific that isn't adequately sourced, please let me know, and I will try to reconstruct from my notes.

I just read a lot.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 02:47 PM
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11. I think you're misreading what he said. He's saying they went after Plame and B-J.
I would also note that there is some CIA loyal to this country who have attempted outing BushInc over the big picture, so, yes there are some good guys. After 2004, Bushies had Porter Goss purge every agent they suspected of supporting Kerry, so now you can be sure the agency is HEAVILY loaded against the good guys.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:15 PM
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13. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Used "scam" in a value neutral sense to mean deception
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 03:46 PM by leveymg
Val and Joe are definitely the heroes (and victims) in the sordid tale of White House and neocon deception, fraud, destruction, and policy failure. It was Dick, Rummy and Wolfie who scammed America.

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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 01:13 PM
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7. Sorry, but i think you miss the big point here. And that is
that the whole thing was a scam and Rummy's role,if exposed could lead to revealing even more. If the nukes sold to N. Korea were faulty then why the hype about them going nuclear? No matter how you cut it, the US's role in either version is duplicitous and there was a longer history of US politicians involved in N. Koreas nuke program, and Rummy profited from it.

Do you have the link that shows the ABB deal was strictly limited to light-water?


2. Donald Rumsfeld - Rumsfeld was on ABB board during deal with North Korea.
The Swiss-based ABB on Friday told swissinfo that Rumsfeld was involved with the company in early 2000, when it netted a $200 million (SFr270million) contract with Pyongyang. The ABB contract was to deliver equipment and services for two nuclear power stations at Kumho, on North Korea’s east coast. Rumsfeld – who is one of the Bush administration’s most strident “hardliners” on North Korea – was a member of ABB’s board between 1990 and February 2001, when he left to take up his current post. Wolfram Eberhardt, a spokesman for ABB, told swissinfo that Rumsfeld “was at nearly all the board meetings” during his decade-long involvement with the company.(http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=10... )


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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:29 PM
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17. Here's a Guardian (UK) article that discusses the ABB deal.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/may/09/nuclear.northkorea

The Clinton package sought to defuse tensions on the Korean peninsula by offering supplies of oil and new light water nuclear reactors in return for access by inspectors to Pyongyang's atomic facilities and a dismantling of its heavy water reactors which produce weapons grade plutonium. Light water reactors are known as "proliferation-resistant" but, in the words of one expert, they are not "proliferation-proof".


BTW: My understanding is that the NK nuclear program relied on a Soviet-built graphite reactor, a smaller version of the notorious Chernobyl facility, not heavy water reactors.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:52 PM
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20. Well, not exactly... here, further down the article.....
from your link:

....Many members of the Bush administration are on record as opposing Mr Clinton's plans, saying that weapons-grade nuclear material could be extracted from the type of light water reactors that ABB sold. Mr Rumsfeld's deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, and the state department's number two diplomat, Richard Armitage, both opposed the deal as did the Republican presidential candidate, Bob Dole, whose campaign Mr Rumsfeld ran and where he also acted as defence adviser.

One unnamed ABB board director told Fortune magazine that Mr Rumsfeld was involved in lobbying his hawkish friends on behalf of ABB.

The Clinton package sought to defuse tensions on the Ko rean peninsula by offering supplies of oil and new light water nuclear reactors in return for access by inspectors to Pyongyang's atomic facilities and a dismantling of its heavy water reactors which produce weapons grade plutonium. Light water reactors are known as "proliferation-resistant" but, in the words of one expert, they are not "proliferation-proof".

The type of reactors involved in the ABB deal produce plutonium which needs refining before it can be weaponised. One US congressman and critic of the North Korean regime described the reactors as "nuclear bomb factories".


This needs further study. I'm going to get back to this later. But for now I'd guess Clinton was duped into believing the light water reactors were "proliferation proof". If we remember how Rummy sold the Iraq war on the cheap, it isn't to much of a stretch that he downplayed the dangers of light-water reactors. Rummy was, ostensibly, at odds with Wolfy and Dole. Sure would like to hear what Doles account of events is. :crazy:


Thanks for the follow-up

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:04 PM
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21. If NK had accepted the light water reactors, and closed down its graphite reactor,
that would have effectively ended their ability to produce new weapons-grade material. The NK program was operating on a shoe-string budget, and they simply did not have the resources (capital and scientific) to extract militarily significant amounts of plutonium from the ABB reactors.

The neocon opposition to Clinton's nuclear counter-proliferation policy wasn't based in any real danger that NK might be able to use light water reactors to build a bomb. What they opposed was that fact that the Clinton approach -- which combined diplomacy and CIA deception - was working.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:20 PM
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23. What you say may be true, but it is not what the Guardian article says.
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 04:25 PM by happydreams
Your main claim in your original post was unequivocal on the dangers of light-water reactors. The article is far less so.

You've got alot of information here and I'll get back to you in a couple of days.

This gives some real good insight into the operations of these whackos.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 02:19 PM
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9.  Would you please provide a link to
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 02:20 PM by happydreams
the specifics I requested. It kinda irks me that someone comes along and negates my post then doesn't reply to a legitimate request to back it up with facts. :shrug:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:43 PM
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19. My apologies. I was away for a while after I first responded to your post.
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 03:55 PM by leveymg
I'm not trying to negate your post, but I have to disagree with your conclusion on the specific issue of the proposed ABB light water reactor sale. My recollection is that the inspiration for that initiative came out of Clinton Administration. I don't recall Rummy initiated it.

You're very right that Rummy and the neocons used what they understood to be their insiders knowledge of nuclear programs by the "axis of evil" countries -- because the CIA had knowledge of Khan's activities in that transfer -- as a rationale to attack and threaten them. In the case of Iraq and Iran, the Administration misrepresented to the public the actual nature and state of development of those programs. NK, on the other, had a plutonium bomb project, and the uranium centrifuges sold to them in the late 1990s was nothing but a total waste of hard currency and trained scientific personnel, of which NK had little to spare.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 08:02 PM
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24. I'm still puzzled about some things you are saying.
"Rummy is guilty as hell of a lot of things, but that failed deal wasn't really a problem.

The real scoop is that the uranium enrichment centrifuges that AQ Khan sold NK were part of a CIA scam being run by Valerie Plame's unit at CIA Counter-Proliferation Division. The CIA, Iraq and China scammed NK with a bunch of defective nuclear technologies. Bush-Cheney-Rummy effectively shut down that program when they outed CIA-CPD in 2001, and they finished off Plame by outing Brewster Jennings in 2003. See, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... "

If I understand it correctly - all the time (plus two years)that Bill Clinton was President, Rumsfeld is on the Board of ABB. (Non-executive Director earning $190,000 a year - role is voting and knowing and getting favors from the U.S. Govt.)

While Clinton is Pres, he and his team work out a stalemate agreement with North Korea - Agreed Framework. They trade a heavy water (weapon capable) reactor for (two?) light water (nuclear energy) reactors. Colin Powell lauds him by saying, "Lots of Nuclear Weapons were not made because of the Agreed Framework and the work of Clinton and his team." This is from Think Progress - http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/10/rumsfeld-abb/

Then from your journal article, I think you are saying that Khan is in with the CIA to further halt NK by selling them some non-working stuff by working with the CIA.

Then, I think it's in your journal article, you say that the CIA as Brewster-Jennings working WITH IRAQ and CHINA pulled off this deception. (I'm a little confused about where I saw that - I thought I wrote that from your article - correct me if I'm wrong).

I guess that you're sayig that Rumsfeld was not in on that deception - so it must have been in the 1990's?

If Khan was working with/for Pakistan and selling secrets and maybe legitimate nuclear stuff and everyone is claiming that he worked with Cheney and then we find out that that Khan is working with the CIA/Brewster-Jennings - isn't he triple dealing?

Then, the Think Progress article says 'the conservatives' got upset with the peace move by Clinton and faulted him for selling light water. (link above).

Then, in 2003, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush bring down Brewster-Jennings and from all we know - also tried to bring down and end the CIA in all the time just before that and after it.

So, what a strange thing you say about Rumsfeld not being in on the KHAN CIA B-J deception.

He profits from the Clinton agreement, doesn't talk to Cheney or Khan all during his years on the Board of ABB? And Khan's profits continue to go on into the 2000's without Cheney and Rumsfeld - I don't think so.

Khan - rides with the CIA - rides with Rumsfeld and Cheney? Rides forward and backward on one horse?

Rumsfeld - nice and clean during the 1990's except for building PNAC and criticizing Clinton for his plan for switching out heavy water for light water even though his company whose Board he sat on sold the light water (reactors)?

And now Bill is friends with Poppy? This is really hard to follow.

And is it really true that the Brewster-Jennings people worked with Saddam and China to deceive North Korea with defective technology. Irag and China?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 10:34 AM
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25. Deception operations are supposed to be difficult to figure out. But, let's give it try
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 10:44 AM by leveymg
Let's go back to the beginning of the Islamic atomic bomb. That starts with Israel developing its first deliverable nuke just before the 1968 Six-Day War. That started with a preemptive strike that all but destroyed the Egyptian and Syrian airforces on the ground.

Move forward to the next motivating incident, the 1973 Yom Kippur War, which was started by the Arabs, which very nearly resulted in the use of those weapons against Egyptian and Syrian armour that was close to breaking through Israeli lines in the Sinai and Golan Heights. Israel essentially blackmailed a reluctant Nixon Administration into delivering TOW missiles from Europe and replacements for the IAF that had suffered heavy initial losses. The Israelis ended up humiliating the Arab world for the fourth time since 1948.

While they lost the war, however, the Arabs came out of the 1973-74 war with something much more valuable - the Saudis took the opportunity of American political paralysis attendant to Vietnam and Watergate to nationalize Aramco, and became fabulously rich. Rich enough to buy anything, including American politicians and officials.

Looking at the example of Israel, which had carried out a high-level influence and espionage operation to gain American nuclear technologies, the Saudis used their wealth and connections to Texas oil circles to catch up with the Israelis. During his brief tenure at CIA, in 1976 Director George H.W. Bush entered into a deal with the newly appointed head of Saudi external intelligence (GID), Prince Turki al-Faisal and his boss, Prince Kamal Adham, codenamed the Safari Club (1). (See, Trento, 102) (I surmise it gained that name from a meeting -- perhaps during Bush's March foreign trip (Bush, "All The Best", 249) -- at a luxury resort in Kenya owned by Adnam Khashoggi, the Saudi Royal family's most visible deal-maker.)

The cornerstone of the Safari Club agreement was that the Saudis would fund the global covert operations forbidden the CIA by the Democratic Congress and the next Administration. In exchange, the CIA looked the other way as the Saudis and their partners, which included Egypt, Jordan and elements of French intelligence, carried out independent covert activities around the world. Among these, was the fulfillment of Pakistan's dream of an "Islamic bomb" that dated from the 1960s, and began pursuing in earnest when India successfully tested its own device in 1974.

For several years, the CIA and Dutch intelligence had been watching a young Pakistani scientist named Abdul Quadir Khan who worked at URENCO, a Dutch nuclear processing company. When the Dutch wanted to arrest Khan, the CIA interceded, allowing him to return to Pakistan, bringing with him plans and samples of uranium enrichment centrifuges. After he fled, a Dutch court indicted Khan, and obtained an Interpol warrant for his arrest. That outstanding warrant remained in place for seven years until Khan's conviction in absentia was overturned on appeal, while Khan traveled to dozens of countries gathering and dispersing nuclear technology. Khan was never detained, and by the early 1980s, Pakistan is believed to have already compiled the materials and components for its first atomic bomb, constructed with a growing stock of highly-enriched uranium, produced by Khan's Urenco-based centrifuges.

Beginning in the late 1980s, Khan began exporting nuclear technologies and components to Iraq, Iran, Libya and lastly North Korea bought some in the late 1990s - none of these countries received sufficient numbers of workable machines to achieve industrial scale production of HEU needed to contruct a bomb. The P-1 centrifuge was particularly inefficient and prone to breakdown, requiring specialized parts that had to be imported. All the while that Khan was trading in these machines, the CIA was monitoring the slow progress of his clients.

Meanwhile, back in Pakistan, a parallel nuclear program was underway. That program relied on plutonium produced by heavy water reactor originally purchased from France in 1972, but that program was put on hold when in 1977, under pressure from the Carter Administration, France cancelled a contract to supply a plutonium processing plant. As a result, Pakistan initially pursued the uranium enrichment path, but later built a second large heavy water nuclear reactor and processing plants that produced enough plutonium to build lighter, more sophisticated nuclear bombs. These facilities not under IAEA inspection were constructed with assistance from China to produce more compact plutonium bomb designs that can be delivered by Chinese-designed ballistic missiles that Pakistan started receiving from China in 1990, followed by a variant of the North Korean No-dong missile in an arms swap arranged by AQ Khan.

Another Safari Club project was the development of a Saudi-financed and directed paramilitary capability, again funded by Riyadh through its Sunni proxies in the Rawalapindi military Establishment. That project preceded the December 1979 Russian invasion of Afganistan. After Reagan-Bush took power in 1981, the US took an increasing role in funding, equipping and organizing the Islamicist militias with modern weapons and training in "urban warfare" tactics. That international program, which included recruitment, training and financing operations inside the U.S., was codenamed, "Operation Cyclone", the result of which was that some of the program participants ended up as key figures in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, blowing up two US Embassies in East Africa in 1998, and carried out the 9/11 attacks.

In 1993, the incoming Clinton Administration put the brakes on US participation in the Safari Club. It closed down Operation Cyclone, tried to pressure Pakistan to halt it bomb project, and blocked deliveries of nuclear-capable F-16s sold by the Bush Administration. This was a period of great tension with the Pakistani military and ISI intelligence service, which in 1997 overthrew Banazir Bhutto, a Shi'a of mixed Indian and Persian family. Shortly after the coup, Pakistan detonated several nuclear weapons, following a string of Indian tests. Meanwhile, the ISI-sponsored Taliban, Sunni "scholars", entered Afghanistan from Pakistan in 1994, and captured Kabul in September 1996. Osama bin Laden followed on their heals from Sudan, which had come under U.S. pressure to arrest or expel him. After he arrived in Afghanistan, bin Laden approached Khan with a bid for nuclear weapons. In 1998, CIA Direct Tenet "went to war" with bin Laden.

Despite these tensions with Pakistan, Khan's association with al-Qaeda, the global proliferation of technologies and equipment he sold, AQ Khan was never harrassed in his extensive foreign travels by U.S. or western intelligence services, and was allowed a quiet, comfortable retirement in his walled compound near the headquarters of the Pakistani military after the Bush-Cheney Administration "outed" him in preparation for the invasion of Iraq, an AQ Khan customer. When, on June 1, 2001, Undersecretary of State Richard Armitage told Rupert Murdoch's Times that the US was aware that a "senior Pakistani official" was trading arms with North Korea, he signalled all of AQ Khan's customers and suppliers worldwide that the jig was up, allowing many to bury their tracks.

Khan was released from house arrest last year, on the day that President Bush commuted the sentence handed to Scooter Libby, who had been convicted of charges stemming from the outing of a CIA officer. Valerie Plame had managed a program within the CIA Counter-Proliferation Division that had monitored Khan's operation.



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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 02:04 PM
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26. I have questions. Reading this is like my image of the letter 'j', lower case.
What we are allowed to know is the dot. The truth and the lies are in the hooked line. The truth takes 'down' into the depths and we come up again with a little hope that, if some things go right, we can rise to see some truth which is the space around the j.

I must study this. I have to go back and read what you already wrote. Off the top of my poor brain, it seems like you're saying he was in a prison of sorts during the 2000 years, yet you said that he worked with the CIA/Brewster Jennings. And in your journal (or was it the Think Progress article, B-J worked with Saddam and China, plus Khan?

This is good material, I thank you, but I still need to bring it together.

P.S. I heard over 15 years ago, that the Bush cabal was furious with Clinton (as if an agreement had been broken) because of something that Clinton did. We know he went against the baron plan to make us poor and controllable. He also sought peace. Your part of that story above was something I didn't know. And earlier you mention Carter. It's stacking up that Carter and Clinton were the only two who really were a little or quite serious about peace based on this little piece. Israel always has to be factored in and we know they haven't been up front on their wheelings and dealings with the people of this country.

Our biggest terrorist threat is from our own (and maybe all of our so-called partners). Once again, it's another proof that all wars are between the leaders and propaganda is the persuasion that it's all about 'our country'. There is one lie that hasn't been uttered by Cheney - I don't believe he has ever told us that the oil grab is really for our benefit.

I'll study tonight. Amazing material.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 12:36 PM
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5. Sad that some Dems claim BCCI was over and done with in 1992. What a bunch of SNOWED SHEEP.
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 12:37 PM by blm
Always ready to parrot the lies needed to protect their favorite Dem leader who protected BushInc on BCCI matters throughout the 90s.

Go after the REAL THUG FASCISTS in BCCI - you will find Rummy's dealings are the least of the problem.
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oldskool Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:09 PM
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22. Cheney is head of
A Q Khan network
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