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Fri Dec-12-08 12:58 AM
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| Tonight an insane woman yelled at me and wanted to fight because I parked in front of her house |
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I was getting in my car and she came running out of her house yelling at me for parking on the street in front of her house. I said it's legal to park here, it's a public street. So she picked up a wad of mud and threw it at my car. Then she spit at me but missed, it hit the window of my car. I asked "Are you insane?" and she she clenched her fists and lunged at me and said "Bring it on, Bitch!" I said "Oh I don't do fights with crazy angry women, I call 911." And she said "I dare you".
So I called 911 and reported my car was being assaulted.
About 5 minutes later, a cop and a paddy wagon pulled up.
I told the cops what was going on and they laughed. They said they would go talk to her. I asked if they wanted me to wait and one of them said "Here's what's going to happen. We are going to go knock on the door and then there will be a lot of yelling. If you want to wait in your car, that's fine."
So they knocked on her door, and she yelled at them. They told her it was legal for me to park in front of her house and she had no right to throw mud and spit at me. They told her to move her car because it was blocking the sidewalk and that was illegal.
Then I left.
Full moon tonight. :crazy:
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:00 AM
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| 1. Whoa? What's on your car she was reacting to? nt |
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:04 AM
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| 3. Nothing. I took most of my bumper stickers off. |
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She was just insane.
I could never carry a gun. It would be so hard to keep from shooting lunatics like her.
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:00 AM
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| 2. Will you be parking there again? |
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:04 AM
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:05 AM
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| 7. Good..andif anything happens to your car, you know exactly where the perp lives, |
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and you have your previous call to the police on record.
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Sat Dec-13-08 12:46 AM
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| 73. I just spit milk. LOL |
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:04 AM
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| 5. There are jsut certain people who think that when they own a house |
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Edited on Fri Dec-12-08 01:05 AM by BrklynLiberal
they own the street in front of it too. I have not had anyone react quite that insanely, but I have had people park in front of their own house, when they have a driveway....just so no one else could park there. Some people are just very very strange.
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:08 AM
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After I called 911, she went in her house, turned out all the lights and peeked out the window at me. I waved at her :)
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Fri Dec-12-08 10:25 AM
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:rofl:
Today, you're my hero :)
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Fri Dec-12-08 10:47 AM
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| 52. I flashed the peace sign at her too |
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Fri Dec-12-08 11:48 AM
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| 65. You ARE good! This person truly sounds like she has some problems. |
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Fri Dec-12-08 09:31 AM
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| 42. It's kinda that way on our street. I always wonder when I see a car parked in front of my house. |
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Sometimes I need to park my own car in front (so hubby can get out of driveway withhis). It's just our arrangement...I realize I don't own the street.
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Sat Dec-13-08 01:09 AM
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| 81. Where is this? It's not on the north side of Pasadena CA... |
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...Washington Blvd near Hill Avenue, is it?
Been there, had that done to me...and worse....
...over and over again.
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:05 AM
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| 6. Sounds like the cops know her. |
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:08 AM
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| 12. She has to be a delightful neighbor, that's for sure |
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:06 AM
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| 8. Is it really a full moon? |
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Edited on Fri Dec-12-08 01:08 AM by elleng
Nov 13 was! and I forgot to check Dec! Glad I didn't go out! IT IS INDEED! http://www.almanac.com/astronomy/moon/full/index.php
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:09 AM
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| 14. It was in her neighborhood |
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:07 AM
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| 9. Welcome to the neighborhood. |
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The joy of living in crowded places. I had crazy people yell at me about dumping my garbage in their dumpster. (Not true.) And so many other weird things over the years that I adopted the cops' attitude. Contain them. Don't try to be right or even reason with them, just get them to crawl back into their little drug or alcohol induced little hole.
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:11 AM
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| 18. Once, I knocked on a neighbor's door.... |
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....to tell her that her roof was on fire near her chimney. She told me to Mind my own business and stop watching her house.
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Fri Dec-12-08 02:02 AM
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Did someone call the Fire Department anyway?
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Fri Dec-12-08 11:32 AM
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| 59. I called the fire dept. |
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Edited on Fri Dec-12-08 11:35 AM by sheeptramp
She was crazy AND drunk. (Did I mention she was drunk? She WAS.) She needed someone to put out the fire.
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Fri Dec-12-08 11:08 AM
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| 55. geez, she would rather have her house go up in flames. |
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nobody believes in good samaritans anymore. sad very sad.
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:08 AM
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| 11. The exact opposite happened to me and SHE called the police. |
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LOL! My tenant had been parking under my kitchen window instead of in her spot for months and when I asked her not to and put up the sign and the whole dumb deal, she called the police.
It used to be, you could just talk to people.
They told her to move or be towed. And she was so surprised! (Deleted rant about privileged SoCal, Hollywood dieting, cell phone sucking, SUV driving, inconsiderate brats who don't pick up after their dogs OR children!) It took FOUR patrolmen to get this woman to park in her f'ing parking space. It was just unreal.
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:16 AM
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| 23. She sounds miserable. Too much speed, money, time? Not fun. nt |
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:21 AM
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| 26. It must have been something because why would you rather be escorted |
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by the Santa Monica PD than just park where your space is? Unless you crave the attention of men in uniform? lol
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:09 AM
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| 13. i bet she's the thrill of the neighborhood on halloween. |
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trick or treat!
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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Who gave candy only to McCain supporters?
Oswego "If I hada curb, I'd let you park there" Atheist
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:09 AM
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| 15. technically a car can't be assaulted |
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assault
A crime that occurs when one person tries to physically harm another in a way that makes the person under attack feel immediately threatened. Actual physical contact is not necessary; threatening gestures that would alarm any reasonable person can constitute an assault. Compare battery.
So setting aside the concern that it needs a "person", assault actually occurs when the target is made reasonably fearful of impending attack, not when they are actually attacked!
Gives a different meaning to assault rifles, eh?
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:12 AM
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I would be writing this from jail and all my friends would have seen me on the news.
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:17 AM
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I'm not so sure, you took it pretty calmly.
Unless you're referring to something else.
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:22 AM
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But when she lunged at me, yes, I could picture myself shooting her.
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Fri Dec-12-08 11:09 AM
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| 56. no what if she had an assault rifle? we would be without a DU'er!!! |
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Fri Dec-12-08 11:36 AM
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| 60. proud2blib was assaulted. Spitting at somebody is assault. So is throwing things at their car. |
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Sat Dec-13-08 01:00 PM
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| 91. Throwing things at the car is malicious mischief or something like that |
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by itself, it is not an assault. But the spitting could be - at least it would be offensive touching, which is the modern term for a non-injury battery. In pure law school terms, a battery is any unpermitted touching.
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Sat Dec-13-08 01:09 PM
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| 94. I concede to your greater knowledge of legal terms, but in layman's language, it was assault. |
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:09 AM
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| 16. Sorry to hear that. It's all her, not you. She's full of unhappiness. |
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:11 AM
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| 17. Yeah, and when I get back from bailing my wife out of jail! |
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:11 AM
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| 19. lol Some people are really wierd about that. |
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I don't know where they get the idea that they own the space in front of their house. I run into that in certain Chicago neighborhoods.
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:25 AM
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| 28. I have a neighbor that peeks out the window to see exactly where my dog |
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pees in the morning. Kid has good manners and always curbs herself. Plus, she's on a leash so it's not as though she's going to foul his car or garden. But this neighbor apparently has a dog pee fetish and is usually waiting for us at his 2nd floor window.
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:37 AM
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| 31. This is why we have that expression: |
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Fri Dec-12-08 02:11 AM
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dog pee fetish. There's something you don't hear often.
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Fri Dec-12-08 04:25 AM
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Let me explain--dog piss stinks. People don't want it on their property. When I lived in the city, I sprinkled red pepper to keep people from letting their dogs piss on our place.
I don't let my cat pee in their yard, so why do you dog owners think it's your Constitutional right to stink up other people's property? Let 'em piss in your yard.
Fortunately, now that I live in a small town, people have more class than that. They take their dogs to pee in and around vacant lots.
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Fri Dec-12-08 10:29 AM
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| 49. I Hate It When They Pee On My Flowers and Kill Them |
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| 79. I have the only flower garden on the block. |
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It must be difficult because it's in raised beds but some dogs do managed to spray them! lol
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Fri Dec-12-08 03:48 PM
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| 66. Um, my dog curbs herself and doesn't foul anyone's property. |
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And you do realize that vacant lots are someone's property, right?
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Sat Dec-13-08 01:02 PM
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I don't think I've ever noticed that! Not where it's outside in a yard.
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:50 AM
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When the chairs come out.
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to save a parking space? ok then.
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Fri Dec-12-08 03:46 AM
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| 37. Maybe some people have been stalked or even attacked |
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by people who parked out in front of their houses? That happened to my uncle, in Chicago, in the 1970s.
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Fri Dec-12-08 04:29 AM
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But it is annoying when people park in front of your house, instead of parking in front of the house where they're living/visiting. What's the point of you parking in front of someone else's house, or someone else parking in front of yours? :shrug:
Just because something isn't against the law, doesn't make it neighborly.
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Fri Dec-12-08 11:12 AM
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possible. When that doesn't work, it doesn't work, but there's nothing wrong with trying to be neighborly.
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Fri Dec-12-08 10:49 AM
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| 53. That sort of behavior is rampant around here, ... |
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... especially after a few inches of snow.
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:13 AM
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| 21. Sorry..... that was me. |
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:blush::rofl:
Seriously, I once had to park in front of my next-door neighbor's house because somebody needed to get out, or something. And she called my mother, asking her to tell me to move my car because she was worried about her inground sprinkler system! I wasn't parked on her lawn!!!:grr:
So I feel your pain. People are nuts...:crazy:
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:20 AM
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| 25. We live across the street from a park |
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and when we first moved in, my kids played basketball in the park after dark and my next door neighbor called the police. (It is illegal to be in the park after dark.)
So the cops told me to talk to my neighbor and make friends with her. I knocked on her door and told her we could just put a basketball goal in our driveway that was just feet away from her bedroom window.
My kids kept on playing in the park at night and the neighbor lady never called the cops again. :)
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:32 AM
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| 30. LOL! Perfect!!! Very clever... I usually think of the perfect response after the fact... :-( |
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However, I could have told the complaining neighbor about how when the folks were away, their kids had an all-night pool party, which was hard to ignore because there was loud music all night and items of clothing and lifeless bodies all over my yard. I could have told, but I didn't. I'm not a snitch...:D
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Sat Dec-13-08 01:04 AM
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| 80. It could be she was concerned about your paint job |
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I have parked next to sprinklers and they would put the hardest water spots on my car. I avoid parking next to sprinklers, I have learned my lesson.
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Fri Dec-12-08 01:30 AM
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| 29. sounds like a bad case of PMS |
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Fri Dec-12-08 02:32 AM
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the sidewalk and road in front of my house. You see, i have to maintain the grassy area between the sidewalk and road. it's rainy in LA, so everytime someone parks there in the rain i have to redo the grass and level out the mud and go to the expense of buying soil to replenish what they destroyed. I also have had three or four mailboxes I had to replace because of people parking and knocking it down and destroying it, etc. Also, they care not how heavy their vehicle is. I had some large truck park there and we had to redo the entire median.
There are two sides to every story. If the front of my house looks like crap, it reduces the value of my house. Everyone knows, the city would laugh at me if i called and asked them to repair the median. most of the time, people around here respect that the median in front of a house is taken care of by the people who own the house and respect our rights. Most of the time. We also have to maintain our mailbox or get in trouble with Feds. People parking there is ok for a little while, but no one should be parking on our street but people who have business there.
if anyone does park in the median areas in our subdivision, they are stared at until they leave. We had some cars doing surveilance, we think for a divorce action. They finally left because there were so many people paying attention to them.
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Sat Dec-13-08 02:26 AM
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| 82. I have just the solution for that: |
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Fri Dec-12-08 04:21 AM
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| 38. paddy wagon is a derogatory slur, btw (against the Irish) |
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Fri Dec-12-08 09:21 AM
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| 41. Aye and begorrah...now ye've got me mickey up... |
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My Irish side thanks you. My Scots side says: "Up the Black Watch!"
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Fri Dec-12-08 04:35 PM
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| 70. Thanks for saying it before I had to. |
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Fri Dec-12-08 09:34 AM
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| 43. Was there a Starbucks near by? |
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Seems most of these crazy people are near or in a Starbucks.
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Fri Dec-12-08 09:34 AM
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| 44. I guess the cops are good for something after all. |
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Fri Dec-12-08 09:39 AM
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| 45. Thanks for sharing that. It seems the cops have been there before. |
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She must have some severe mental problemas.
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Fri Dec-12-08 10:22 AM
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| 46. Sounds like someone was off her meds |
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Fri Dec-12-08 10:24 AM
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| 47. I'm sorry, proud2Blib. I didn't know it was you! |
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I'll speak to my wife... ;)
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Your wife has changed since I last saw her. :)
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Fri Dec-12-08 10:30 AM
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| 50. Did you tell her to "Have a Blessed day?" |
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on edit: Because that is the usual reaction to those words around here.
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Fri Dec-12-08 10:43 AM
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| 51. Why Didn't They Arrest Her For Assault? |
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Throwing mud at your car and attempting to spit at you is assault. She also threatened you. Did you have to give a statement?
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Fri Dec-12-08 11:01 AM
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| 54. Has it snowed there recently? |
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People get awfully possessive if they've had to shovel out a space.
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Sat Dec-13-08 12:44 AM
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| 72. Yes but it has melted and the street was clear. |
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Fri Dec-12-08 11:10 AM
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It sounds like that woman has mental issues.
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Fri Dec-12-08 11:37 AM
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| 61. My neighbor is like this |
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If my mom comes to visit and parks in front of her house, she stands out in the yard and stares at her while she walks in to my house. She told me my teenagers shouldn't come in so late (8:30 pm) because the car door disturbs her. When my son goes out to shovel snow, he always goes over and does her sidewalk too, and she never says thank you (she does call and ask when he's going to get to it sometimes). If her husband does their sidewalk first, he never comes over to do ours. She also accused my son of stealing her bathroom rugs from off her clothesline (I mean, really!).
She is the Queen of the Neighborhood, and we should all bow to her wishes. We can't wait for her to move.
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Sat Dec-13-08 12:54 PM
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| 90. Put a "For Sale" sign in her yard |
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that should speed things up a bit... ;)
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Fri Dec-12-08 11:45 AM
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| 62. Our problem with parking is we have too much of it |
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We put a fence around the property. One of the reasons for the fence was the neighbors would throw big hairy parties and 20 to 30 of party goers cars would be parked all around our house. They would even block the driveway outlet so no would be able to leave :shrug:
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Sat Dec-13-08 12:47 AM
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| 74. My sister lives near a church and her driveway is blocked nearly every Sunday |
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She even called the church once and asked how she was supposed to go to her own church when she couldn't get out of her driveway.
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Fri Dec-12-08 11:46 AM
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| 63. My SIL was babysitting my daughter and she went out to her car |
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and found a nasty note from my neighbor. It said this was their spot and no one can park there but them. I looked in our Homeowners Association and it said that it's a public street. So on the back of the piece of paper that the nasty note was on, I cited the paragraph of the HOA and put it on their door. We parked there some more and never had a problem.
Some people seem to think they own the street in front of their house. It's really strange.
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Fri Dec-12-08 11:46 AM
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| 64. Sounds like the cops know her pretty well |
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It's always nice to have someone like that in your neighborhood to make everyone else seem normal.
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Fri Dec-12-08 03:54 PM
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| 67. You must have a lot of spare time on your hands. |
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Sat Dec-13-08 12:48 AM
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Fri Dec-12-08 03:57 PM
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| 68. Man, I'm glad I don't live around that anymore, they're really losing it now. |
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OTOH, maybe it's not where you live, maybe you attract them...
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Sat Dec-13-08 12:48 AM
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| 77. Yeah it's all my fault. |
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Sat Dec-13-08 12:16 PM
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:rofl: You knew I was joking, right?
The unfortunate freepers around here have been very quiet, they slowly drive their giant trucks around with a blank stare, some muttering to themselves. If I wasn't so broke, I'd feel kind of sad for them.
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Sat Dec-13-08 12:53 AM
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| 78. proud and I stayed in the same hotel while attending a demonstration. |
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I didn't notice any crowd of aggressive wackos being drawn to her.
On the other hand, it was a pretty big hotel.
lol
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| 69. When we moved to Chapel Hill in 2000, we drove two cars. Pulled up in front |
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of our new house, and went to peek in the windows (due to close the next day). I had bought the house without hubby ever seeing it in person.
We came back to the street, and the owner next door told us, "you can't park there". Not, are you the new owners? Welcome to the neighborhood, nothing. Just "you can't park there". We left.
After we owned the house, this guy who was the landlord would come around once in awhile. One time he came and knocked on my door when a client of my husband's was parked on the street and told me the person had to move his car. I told him the car would be gone within an hour and he'd just have to wait. Then I closed the door in his face.
The a$$hole finally sold the house to the nicest family. They helped us so much when that house burned down a year ago. When we first talked to them about what a jerk the previous owner was, they agreed! Apparently, even when he was selling the house, he behaved like an a$$hole.
Some people are just not nice people. Period.
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Sat Dec-13-08 12:48 AM
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| 76. Once a man came out and yelled at me for parking in front of his house |
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I worked around the corner, and all the spaces in front of the work place (on the main street) had meters. He thought he owned the street in front of his house too. He had a large, wide driveway that could fit many cars, but every single day after that he parked his car in front of his house so I (or anybody else) couldn't park there.
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Sat Dec-13-08 02:33 AM
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| 83. Why didn't you just kick the fucking crap out of her? |
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aren't you fucking tired of people acting this way? I'm sick of it..full moon or no
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Sat Dec-13-08 12:33 PM
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| 87. I prefer to let the legal system do the kicking |
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| 84. Peeve of mine: don't park in front of my house |
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I live in a subdivision with 3-car garages. There are some cars parked on the streets, but not many.
DONT park in front of my house (on a regular basis)! It annoys the crap out of me! Because it's rude as hell!
My neighbor did it for awhile. He parked in front of MY house because it was close to HIS house....denying me the consideration of parking close to MY house.
Is is LEGAL to park on the street in front of your neighbors house? You betcha. Is it inconsiderate as hell, to the point of douchebaggery? You betcha again.
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Sat Dec-13-08 12:32 PM
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| 86. I don't approve of the assault on you |
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But, being a homeowner and having to put up will people parking in front of my house is a peeve of the neighborhood. Mainly because it's other neighbors who have a place in front of their homes to park or it's the local hospital staff that refuse to pay for parking in the lots that the hospital built for that use. We have a lot of huge trees and they have been known to fall on cars, so they do park at their peril. Plus we do get a lot of leaves from our mature trees. If I can rake them all up and try and keep them out of the gutter and sewer, some twit will come along and park right on the pile of leave and then when they leave, the pile will get mess up and taken along as they leave the spot. Right now, I have to get out there and rake but as always I have car I've got to try and get the leaves that is under this car. I just wish they would give us a break and park in the lot.
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Sat Dec-13-08 12:38 PM
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| 88. Ok, next time I am in your neighborhod I will hire a limo to drop me off |
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If you have a 3 car garage, why are you parking on the street?
I had attended a meeting at a church a few doors down from this lunatic woman's house. A church with no parking lot. If she didn't want people to park in front of her house she shouldn't have moved into that neighborhood. If you don't want people to park legally in front of your house, move to the country where you won't have any neighbors.
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Mon Dec-15-08 02:18 AM
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| 95. That's the point EVERYONE in my hood has 3 car garages |
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I'm not talking about people coming in to park to go to church and whatnot. We're a strictly residential neighborhood.
If you're having a party, and people park all over the place including in front of my house, no big deal. I understand.
If you park in front of my house once in awhile for some reason or other--guest visiting or whatnot--no big deal, I understand.
But if you park in front of my house EVERY DAY--or even worse, leave a junker parked in front of my house which you don't drive--that is a FOUL. Legally a foul? No. But it is RUDE AS HELL, I would NEVER THINK to do the same to you, and I will (and have) knocked on your door and ask you about it.
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Sat Dec-13-08 12:46 PM
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| 89. People here do that too |
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I especially love the ones who put up "No Parking" signs in their front yards. Absolutely no concept of "public right of way." :eyes:
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