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Cyrano
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:50 PM Original message |
IMO, Limbaugh and hate radio have got to go |
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theboss
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. No limits on speech |
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depakid
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Typical libertarian shortsightedness |
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theboss
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. Where does censorship fall into good public policy? |
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depakid
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
33. Private censorship and monopoly of the public airwaves in thousands of communities |
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wryter2000
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
68. Breaking up the broadcast monopolies is a great idea |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-23-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #33 |
153. We only have to look at radio and TV right now to see that it's being used |
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Ex Lurker
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
54. most other democracies permit free speech while restricting hate speech |
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theboss
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Like the guy being prosecuted in Holland for insulting Muhammed? |
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madeline_con
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Thu Jan-22-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #58 |
141. You mean this guy? Holland declines to prosecute anti-Islam politician |
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bridgit
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. Unless they're shouting "Fire!" in a theater that has none, that's damaging to the health of others |
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OnyxCollie
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
48. O.K. |
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theboss
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. That's a half truth |
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OnyxCollie
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. “My initial response was to sue her for defamation of character, |
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FiveGoodMen
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
79. So Holmes was wrong? |
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theboss
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Thu Jan-22-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #79 |
111. Yes; Justice Black was right |
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FiveGoodMen
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Thu Jan-22-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #111 |
119. Not sure it's that simple |
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theboss
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Thu Jan-22-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #119 |
123. He had issues when it came to "conduct vs speech" and "place" |
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FiveGoodMen
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Thu Jan-22-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. My post concerned the when and where issues as well. |
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mzmolly
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
82. We needn't limit speech, but we should expand it |
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theboss
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Thu Jan-22-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #82 |
112. That would be awesome in that I would listen to nobody! |
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mzmolly
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Thu Jan-22-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #112 |
131. They're welcome to plug their ears. |
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Virginia Dare
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
85. You can't yell fire in a crowded movie theatre... |
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theboss
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Thu Jan-22-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #85 |
113. That borders on action to me |
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FiveGoodMen
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Thu Jan-22-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #113 |
121. You don't think that Rush's radio shows have produced material damage? |
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theboss
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Thu Jan-22-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. No |
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FiveGoodMen
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Thu Jan-22-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. Then propaganda has no actual power? |
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Marr
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
88. Right-- and that means big money interests should not be allowed to control all speech. |
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Hugabear
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Thu Jan-22-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
98. So you think it should be okay to openly advocate violence? |
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theboss
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Thu Jan-22-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #98 |
115. I think advocating violence is acceptable to the point where talk becomes action |
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Hugabear
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Thu Jan-22-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #115 |
140. So then you DO agree that freedom of speech has limits |
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theboss
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Fri Jan-23-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #140 |
171. I don't think saying "Go kill that ---------" is always a crime |
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Hugabear
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Fri Jan-23-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #171 |
172. In what context would it NOT be a crime? |
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GA_ArmyVet
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Fri Jan-23-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #98 |
180. I don't seem to recall any |
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Lorien
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Thu Jan-22-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
139. You can't make a public call for the death of the President or all liberals |
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dysfunctional press
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. ZERO limits, of course. |
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depakid
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Ever hear of the public airwaves and media regulation? |
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dysfunctional press
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. the other side is part of the public as well- they have just as much right to the airwaves. |
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reggie the dog
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Thu Jan-22-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #28 |
99. i agree with you |
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Cyrano
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. Ever hear that George Carlin's "seven restricted words" can't be uttered on |
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dysfunctional press
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. specific words, perhaps- deemed 'vulgar' by society...but not the content. |
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bluestateguy
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
4. I regard any criticism of the president in a time of war to be nothing short of treason |
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robcon
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
31. That's an anti-American slur. |
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wryter2000
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
67. It's sarcasm |
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hughee99
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
34. You shouldn't have needed to add the sarcasm tag for this. n/t |
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Clear Blue Sky
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
62. If so, then most of us here are guilty of treason. |
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Regret My New Name
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Thu Jan-22-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
128. R U SERIES???? err guys? |
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NJmaverick
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
5. I would bring back the equal time policy, but I would not attempt to limit their speech |
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paparush
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
6. Limbaugh Hopes Commander In Chief Fails to Keep America Safe |
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The_Casual_Observer
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
7. Obama's success at fixing stuff will silence those bastards without |
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Howardx
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
8. liberals need to quit talking about limbaugh period |
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Dreamer Tatum
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Well said nt |
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NeedleCast
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Thu Jan-22-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
103. Yup |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-23-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
155. Right . . . who is his audience? O'Reilly's audience is 70 year olds--!!! |
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Dreamer Tatum
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
9. There should be zero limits on what they say |
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defendandprotect
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Fri Jan-23-09 12:54 AM Response to Reply #9 |
156. "Hate speech" has repercussions . . . |
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Dreamer Tatum
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Fri Jan-23-09 02:44 AM Response to Reply #156 |
165. Gee, I claim Limbaugh has 1st Amendment rights |
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Warren DeMontague
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Sat Jan-24-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #165 |
183. There is a small, yet vocal, pro censorship brigade on DU. |
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texastoast
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
10. I don't know how the Fairness Doctrine could trump the First |
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depakid
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
37. See post #33, |
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PDJane
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
11. Well, I am a Canadian......... |
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harun
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
14. Having asshats like these around actually helps our cause |
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guitar man
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
15. I want to see them gone as much as anyone |
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supernova
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
16. They'll shrivel from lack of interest |
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qazplm
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
18. unless they are inciting riot |
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MadHound
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
19. Sorry, you start putting limits on what Rush et. al. can say, |
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ima_sinnic
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
21. political opponents are a nasty fact of life, & shutting them down would be antithetical |
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
22. Anyone stupid enough to believe what those jackasses have to say... |
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tritsofme
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
23. Would it have been alright for Bush to lock you up because |
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robcon
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Thu Jan-22-09 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
24. There should be zero limits on what they can say. |
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scheming daemons
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
25. Sorry... I disagree.... ZERO limits on political speech |
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depakid
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Just make sure there are accountability methods in place |
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COStorm
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
56. What are you talking about?? |
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tuckessee
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
27. Free speech for everybody! |
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adarling
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
29. no matter how much i don't like him |
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hughee99
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
30. If you can't trust the government to tell it's own critics |
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MindMatter
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
32. I strongly disagree. Cnsider this. |
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depakid
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Considered and found lacking |
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Raskolnik
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. What would your suggestion be to stop people being "prop[a]gandized with impunity?" |
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Cyrano
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. My suggestion would be universal free education through college for everyone |
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OnyxCollie
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Busting up media ownership would be more practical and effective. |
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Cyrano
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
71. Good post, blackops. Thanks for the link. |
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MindMatter
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Thu Jan-22-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
130. Uuuuuuh, did you even notice ... |
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TNOE
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Thu Jan-22-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
92. Very well stated |
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Z_I_Peevey
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
35. When they do indeed GO, let it be due to widespread ridicule, |
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endless october
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
38. no limits on political speech. |
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
39. The pamplete press at the time of the drafting of the constitution |
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Contrary1
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
40. Yes and no. |
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Dukkha
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
43. radio is a dying format, clear channel is doing mass layoffs |
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KharmaTrain
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Thu Jan-22-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
116. Bingo....This Is Nothing But Desperation |
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Raskolnik
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
44. “The constitution is not a suicide pact” is utter rubbish, and without fail |
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slackmaster
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
46. Expression of opposing points of view is essential to a vibrant, healthy democracy |
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
47. I honestly find what you say here to be as dangerous as anything Rush says. |
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COStorm
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
49. ummm... |
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Rush Mst Go NOW! |
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Raskolnik
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. You have the power to turn your radio off NOW. n/t |
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COStorm
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Are you channeling? |
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ItNerd4life
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
52. So you don't tolerate people with differing viewpoints? Am I next? |
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Cyrano
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. You, like so many other posters here, read only my OP headline and not |
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Raskolnik
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. The body of your text is just as ridiculous as the headline. |
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Cyrano
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Please point out exactly where in the OP text I'm advocating for legal |
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Raskolnik
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Oh, don't be coy. Your post speaks for itself, and to pretend you weren't advocating |
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Cyrano
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Thank you for your valuable contribution to this discussion. |
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COStorm
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
73. ... |
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Forkboy
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Thu Jan-22-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
95. My "dangerous" comment wasn't aiming for originality, yet it still holds true. |
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FiveGoodMen
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #52 |
83. Suppose that someone with a large audience goes on the air and calls for all n*****s to be shot |
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Raskolnik
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Thu Jan-22-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #83 |
93. Oh, my. You really don't know what you are talking about here. |
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wryter2000
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
64. Sorry |
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Clear Blue Sky
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Thu Jan-22-09 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
65. Silly |
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G_j
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
70. take for example, Rawanda |
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Raskolnik
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Incitement to violence is already illegal. |
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G_j
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Thu Jan-22-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #75 |
132. I think many of them get away with racism, |
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
74. Welcome to Fascist Underground. nt |
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Warren DeMontague
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
76. Sorry, they absolutely have the right to do what they do under the 1st amendment. |
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
77. There is some legal limit but Rushbo is likely too smart to |
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
78. Yup |
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BrklynLiberal
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
80. I hope they wither away due to lack of interest because this new govt will |
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mzmolly
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
81. Not to mention the internet radio kooks who lend their programs to disturbed |
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conscious evolution
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
84. Let the ICC have them |
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OnyxCollie
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
86. First they came for Limpballs, |
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malaise
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Thu Jan-22-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #86 |
101. I agree |
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onenote
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
87. I share the view of Justice Brennan; and of Justice Holmes |
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FloridaJudy
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Thu Jan-22-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
89. Boycott him. |
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Cleita
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Thu Jan-22-09 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
90. Meh, they always cite his First Amendment rights, but there has to |
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Raskolnik
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Thu Jan-22-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. So Rachel Maddow should have to do the same thing? |
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Cleita
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Thu Jan-22-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #94 |
102. Yes, she should. However, she doesn't have to worry. Her facts are |
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Raskolnik
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Thu Jan-22-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. You haven't had much education re: free speech or the First Amendment, have you? |
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Cleita
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Thu Jan-22-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Free speech is not spreading propaganda and inciting weak minds |
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onenote
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Thu Jan-22-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. you really have no idea of what you are saying. |
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Cleita
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Thu Jan-22-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. I think James Madison would have a different opinion today if he |
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onenote
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Thu Jan-22-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #109 |
117. again, your knowledge of history is frighteningly off |
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Cleita
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Fri Jan-23-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #117 |
146. I'm a revolutionary too. I refuse to see my first country lost through lies. |
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Raskolnik
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Thu Jan-22-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #109 |
120. You have no historical basis whatsoever for what you are saying. n/t |
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Cleita
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Thu Jan-22-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #120 |
136. Isn't there something in the Ten Commandments about bearing |
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Raskolnik
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Fri Jan-23-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #136 |
170. So now we're getting our laws from the Ten Commandments instead of the Constitution? |
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Cleita
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Fri Jan-23-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #170 |
175. You didn't phrase your question very well. You asked for historical evidence. |
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theboss
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Thu Jan-22-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #105 |
118. Actually, it kinda is |
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Cleita
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Thu Jan-22-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #118 |
137. No. I'm old but not that old. However, I did read newspapers from the |
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onenote
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Thu Jan-22-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. I guess my view of the constitution is more along the lines of Holmes and Brennan and Douglas |
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Cleita
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Thu Jan-22-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. My guess is that none of those august men had to deal with |
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onenote
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Thu Jan-22-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. You apparently are a poor student of history |
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Cleita
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Thu Jan-22-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. Look, I'm willing to look at your diatribes as long as you don't have to |
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fishwax
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Thu Jan-22-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #90 |
142. that sounds like what bush had to say about a website that satirized him |
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Cleita
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Fri Jan-23-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #142 |
145. No it isn't at all. |
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fishwax
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Fri Jan-23-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #145 |
148. it's still limiting freedom |
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Cleita
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Fri Jan-23-09 12:31 AM Response to Reply #148 |
149. When I lived in Chile previous to Pinnochet I had more freedom of |
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fishwax
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Fri Jan-23-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #149 |
151. I'm not sure what you're talking about |
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Cleita
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Fri Jan-23-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #151 |
154. When our sources of truth are shut down by petty |
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fishwax
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Fri Jan-23-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #154 |
157. I'm mostly with you up until the last sentence |
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Cleita
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Fri Jan-23-09 01:05 AM Response to Reply #157 |
158. You will never be with me because you will always object to my |
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fishwax
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Fri Jan-23-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #158 |
159. well, as I said, I agree with you about many of the problems facing independent media |
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Cleita
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Fri Jan-23-09 01:14 AM Response to Reply #159 |
160. Fact and truth are different. |
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fishwax
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Fri Jan-23-09 01:25 AM Response to Reply #160 |
161. both of those can be facts and both can be truth |
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Cleita
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Fri Jan-23-09 01:32 AM Response to Reply #161 |
162. How old are you? |
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fishwax
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Fri Jan-23-09 01:54 AM Response to Reply #162 |
164. "It's a rude question" |
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Cleita
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Fri Jan-23-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #164 |
174. They were during the Nixon administration and that's why they exposed |
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glitch
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Thu Jan-22-09 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
91. We should definitely remove him from armed forces radio. WTH should we pay good taxpayer money to |
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FatDave
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Thu Jan-22-09 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
96. Psssst! (looks over both shoulders and whispers:) |
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newtothegame
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Thu Jan-22-09 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
97. Yes, and Ministry of Truth to decide what's right and wrong... |
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anonymous171
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Thu Jan-22-09 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
100. Just say no to thought crime laws. |
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spanone
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Thu Jan-22-09 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
126. they are inciters of violence...limpdick is dangerous imo |
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woo me with science
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Thu Jan-22-09 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
127. These sorts of posts underscore the need |
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dem629
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Thu Jan-22-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #127 |
135. Exactly. Thank you. |
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stuntcat
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Thu Jan-22-09 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
129. he incites the stupid. |
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Balbus
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Thu Jan-22-09 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
133. Free speech for everyone!! |
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dem629
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Thu Jan-22-09 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
134. NO. |
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Cleita
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Thu Jan-22-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #134 |
138. It's about telling the truth. |
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Bigmack
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Thu Jan-22-09 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
143. It's hard to wade thru... |
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w8liftinglady
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Fri Jan-23-09 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
144. then we'd have to rein in Malloy,Rhodes,The Young Turks,et al |
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New Dawn
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Fri Jan-23-09 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
147. The current system is all about censorship! |
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Fri Jan-23-09 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
150. I'm in favor of the Fairness Doctrine being reinstated . . . |
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Hippo_Tron
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Fri Jan-23-09 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
152. Even hate speech is protected speech under the first amendment |
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Initech
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Fri Jan-23-09 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
163. As much as I'm against AM hate radio I will play devil's advocate here. |
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timtom
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:18 AM Response to Original message |
166. In the case of Father Coughlin: |
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Brazenly Liberal
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:56 AM Response to Original message |
167. How very Bushian of you. Not to mention foolish. |
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Philosoraptor
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:59 AM Response to Original message |
168. ----------DITTO!----------- |
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Ganja Ninja
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Fri Jan-23-09 07:06 AM Response to Original message |
169. When the man goes on armed forces radio and tells the troops that |
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Laelth
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Fri Jan-23-09 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
173. 1st Amendment. |
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FiveGoodMen
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Fri Jan-23-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #173 |
176. What if the political speech contains outright lies? |
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Fri Jan-23-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #176 |
179. Good question. |
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lib2DaBone
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Fri Jan-23-09 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
177. Free Political Speech is essential.... But.... |
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Ladyhawk
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
178. It's possible Limbaugh helped corrupt my family, |
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Clear Blue Sky
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Fri Jan-23-09 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
181. Change the station or turn it off....nt |
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Fri Jan-23-09 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
182. Then say good bye to Air America, Nova M and any and every liberal radio show. |
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