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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:40 AM Original message |
"private property is evil" ?? WTF? Communism/socialism taught in WA school? |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
1. Consider the source of your information. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. You're reading my mind! "Consider the source" indeed. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
135. Right. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
2. Private schools can pretty much teach what they want |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. But, in general, isn't this akin to private "Christian" schools teaching Creationism? |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Yes it is, and if that is what parents want and pay for it, it's their business |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. But doesn't that degrade our ability to raise children to be competitive in sciences and such? |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Actually it is more akin to schools teaching capitalism. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
114. Communism and socialism are the creationism and intelligent design of economics. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #114 |
120. Tell that to peoples who had no concept of ownership (Native Americans) n/t |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #114 |
129. That's complete crap |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #129 |
145. Marxist crap Why don't YOU try reading Karl Popper some time. |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:21 PM Response to Reply #145 |
154. Speaking of crap |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #129 |
152. Communism has been a total failure and even serious socalism is waning |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:24 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. Communism has never existed |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #155 |
157. Oh that excuse for the disasters that were the USSR, China, North Korea and others |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. It's not an excuse |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:56 PM Response to Reply #158 |
161. Ah, the theoretical argument which espouses the unattainable |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. What's unattainable? |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #162 |
164. Your vision of "a classless, stateless, borderless society." is |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:30 PM Response to Reply #164 |
166. It is attainable |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-02-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #166 |
236. Well, kinda |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 01:57 AM Response to Reply #161 |
176. Y'know, you and I seldom seem to agree on much... |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 05:38 AM Response to Reply #155 |
178. Hang on a minute |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 07:55 AM Response to Reply #178 |
187. !!! n/t |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #178 |
200. OY! Nice catch, Muriel! nm |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #200 |
203. Unfortunately Muriel couldn't catch what I was saying n/t |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #203 |
209. Muriel clearly caught it with FAR more skill than you are pitching it. |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #209 |
211. Not really |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #211 |
216. No one put words in your mouth- YOU put them on our screens. They're still there, y'know. |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #216 |
217. You read what you want to read |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #217 |
218. Your hairsplitting just gets sillier by the post, bless your heart. |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 08:01 PM Response to Reply #218 |
221. Hairsplitting? |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #178 |
201. I see you fail to grasp subtleties |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #201 |
208. Nice try, but that's not what you said |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #208 |
210. Go back and read it again |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #210 |
219. Ah, so you think we're all mind-readers now? |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 08:02 PM Response to Reply #219 |
222. That's what you're trying to be |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-30-07 01:32 AM Response to Reply #219 |
225. "Bolshy the WonderCommie, we hardly knew ye..." |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-30-07 03:47 AM Response to Reply #225 |
226. I held out hope he might learn how to have an argument, or even a discussion |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-30-07 04:38 AM Response to Reply #226 |
229. I'm sure that will happen, given time. And perhaps we'll meet him again someday. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-30-07 07:09 AM Response to Reply #229 |
231. Doing a search on him, I like him a lot less |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #114 |
144. what's capitalism in your analogy? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
41. So the ideology of capitalism is now a scientific theory on the level of evolution? nt |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Didn't say that at all, did I? But, thanks for the strawman. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
61. You: "Isn't this akin to private "Christian" schools teaching Creationism?" |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. You are failing to look at this from an outsider's perspective. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #64 |
96. Only 'glaring' to you, I think |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. To you and I it ignores basic science, but not to a Creationist. That's my point!!! |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #14 |
46. I don't have a problem |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
175. I disagree |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 09:29 AM Response to Reply #175 |
194. I don't know if I made it clear |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
141. I don't see it as akin to that at all |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #14 |
199. Not really. The only objection to teaching creationism is when it is presented as fact |
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pocoloco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
3. WTF? |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Those monsters! |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. No, next they'll elect a decider who will tell them what they want to hear... |
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Redbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #3 |
54. Or a progressive income tax |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
4. it sounds to me more of an opportunity to teach "a contrasting set of values" |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
5. Personally, I want to know when they'll start teaching about the dictator... |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
19. And that, in essence, is why true communism could never work. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Animal Farm! |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Except in Animal Farm is was the capitalists |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Would seem that *any* system of gov't is doomed to eventual failure, eh? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #34 |
49. absolutely |
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hyphenate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
121. ANY system with extremist views |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #31 |
47. It's a satire about Stalin and the Russian Revolution. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #47 |
110. Yes well, Stalin was obviously a capitalist |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #110 |
133. I wouldn't go that far |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 08:31 AM Response to Reply #133 |
191. "interests different from those of the workers" |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #191 |
202. Not through capitalistic profit |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #202 |
207. They did aggregate capital though, |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #207 |
214. From what I've heard |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-30-07 04:21 AM Response to Reply #214 |
227. I think the essence of capitalism is to obtain capital |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. The same can be said to apply to capitalism. |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. How many Republics have lasted beyond a few centuries? |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Europe has been around for a long time, but it has not |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Europe is really hard to gauge by our standards as it's gone thru so many changes |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
58. No system can last forever- there is not utopian society |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Yes, it will. And I fear it will be within my childrens' lifetimes. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. The time line depends on how quickly the middle class falls |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Well, w/home ownership strained, negative savings rate for nearly 2 years, earnings eroding... |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
71. but as you are witnessing with the neo-cons, capitalism doesn't work |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. There's nothing wrong with that which is why I was glad the original article's URL was posted. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 06:54 AM Response to Reply #73 |
183. For future reference, Tech Central Station is indeed right wing |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. It's not that capitalism doesn't work |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #78 |
132. Look further |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #132 |
146. Marx's doctrine of ever increasing misery is a load of horseshit |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #146 |
153. You are beyond incorrect |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 02:07 AM Response to Reply #153 |
177. You've got the most REMARKABLY piss-poor grasp of "cause and effect". |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 07:51 AM Response to Reply #177 |
185. Heh, I used to be a Marxist, so I know how idiots like him think, |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #185 |
213. Here's a summary of your argument |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #177 |
212. Real solid argument right there |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #71 |
113. The neo-cons are fascists, not capitalists. |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:44 PM Response to Reply #113 |
160. That's just impossible to justify |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #160 |
169. They seek to unify the power structure of the economy and the power structure of the government... |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #169 |
174. And? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 06:04 AM Response to Reply #169 |
180. You don't understand what 'capitalism' is |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 09:30 AM Response to Reply #180 |
195. Can't workers provide the capital for a company? |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
131. Not true |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #131 |
147. Deleted message |
Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:26 PM Response to Reply #147 |
156. I am a "vanguardist fucker" |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 07:54 AM Response to Reply #156 |
186. Read "The Open Society and It's Enemies by Karl Popper. |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #186 |
204. I'll try to find it |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #5 |
29. While we're at it, let's teach people about the dictators supported by capitalists |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #29 |
108. You're right, but just because what we've done is wrong doesn't mean... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #108 |
116. I think certain socialist principals are the way of the future |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #116 |
170. Actually, I'd say the fact that undemocratic corporations have taken over our country... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 05:44 AM Response to Reply #170 |
179. Same thing; |
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GirlinContempt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #170 |
188. Uh, that happens BECAUSE of capitalism. |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
130. Do you know what you're talking about? |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 07:05 AM Response to Reply #130 |
184. Stalin |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #184 |
205. That's interesting |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
8. that's just awfuL |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
134. What's wrong with that? n/t |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
10. You're responding to hearsay. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. This would be that article: |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. It has all the things the article from the questionable source said it did: |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. It never says "private property ownership is evil" |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
62. Cherrypicking. & I see no fault with the quotes you provided. n/t |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
118. "critical evaluation of Legotown and the inequities of private ownership" |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 06:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
142. yeah, except for the part that teachers wanted to teach that private property is evil |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Does shed some additional light on this. Thanks for that link. |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
25. It seems like the teachers stopped short in their analysis and discussion. I think.... |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #12 |
39. What a great read. What wonderful teachers! Some context... |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #39 |
55. In short, right-wing morons are lying about liberals again |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. RW freakazoids depend on distortion and falsehoods |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
140. Thanks for this; that's what I was thinking too |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
171. The lesson? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 06:35 AM Response to Reply #171 |
181. You've missed the important context for that |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #181 |
197. Pike place market |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
11. Socialism taught at a PRIVATE school? GOOD! |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
13. a caricature of socialism - Chavez is not opposed to private property |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. The problem with socialism is that people seek to democratize an economy... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. "Chavez will do some day" - we've been hearing that for 8 years now, |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
109. I'm sorry, but I thought the people of our country had come to the conclusion... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. He was elected. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Elective monarchy? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. I'm all for that |
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GirlinContempt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 08:17 AM Response to Reply #112 |
189. Educate yourself. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
148. Bingo. Unfortunately Marxists don't get it because of thier faith in economic determinism. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
172. Indeed. The products of the kids labor was destroyed then siezed. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 06:38 AM Response to Reply #172 |
182. You can't seize something that's been destroyed |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #182 |
198. Really? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 08:47 AM Response to Reply #172 |
193. You can't seize something from someone who didn't own it |
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ToeBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
22. Well color me Outraged... |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
23. It sounds like the kids may have actually learned something. |
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DrunkenMaster (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
27. How DARE They Teach Alternate Perspectives! |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. People like alternative perspectives.... as long as it is theirs. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Is creationism an alternative perspective? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. In a private school it is. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Not the question. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #37 |
50. it is not, and creationism/Evolution is much different than capitalism/socialism |
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DrunkenMaster (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
85. apples and oranges |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
35. Private schools can be propaganda mills. |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
43. A private school complaining about private property |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
45. What is your agenda? You posted RW propaganda as an actual news story here. |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Did you even bother to read the actual thread? |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. you mean the part where you got busted in your lie, yet continue to push this bullshit spin? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Deleted message |
ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. so then answer the question. What is your agenda behind posting RW bullshit as literal fact? |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. My *agenda* is as I just wrote previously. *Your* agenda is obviously something more. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. you fucked up, admit it. Now you're backpedaling like crazy |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. You are seeing something that just isn't there |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. So, me asking a question is claiming I was right all along? |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. the question you asked was whether the lesson in your link was appropriate |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Which is something I addressed in this sub-thread |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. and even after the timestamps where you admit you were wrong, |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. uh....yeah....ok. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Feel free to ignore the thread then |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #80 |
124. Alternatively one could call bullshit where one sees it, |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
48. well, ask the Native Americans about 'ownership' of the earth- I'm on the |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. This isn't about protecting the homeless. This is about a fundamental aspect of our way of life. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. You've gotten the lesson wrong... the lesson was that you can't just do whatever you want |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. Sure, in an ideal world but we don't have that, do we? |
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Diogenes2 (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #70 |
84. I always love hearing that "there are no handouts" |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Until we do what our founding fathers did (overthrow an oppressive gov't) |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. spoken as one |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. I've been down before. Quite down. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #93 |
127. Please try really hard to |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-30-07 04:28 AM Response to Reply #127 |
228. Absolutely wonderful. I hope I am there to read when you rant again. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #87 |
103. Man you have swallowed the koolaid... there are plenty |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. Who's talking wealth? Wealth belongs to privileged few and will remain there for a long time. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #53 |
83. It IS about protecting the RIGHT of a person to exist, regardless of their |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. For those truly w/o a way to care for themselves, sure. I'm not talking about them |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. What about if they don't have |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. I'm not talking about those that are unable to care for themselves and... |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #94 |
138. You said:-" |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #138 |
143. It's not that difficult to get a GED. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:41 PM Response to Reply #143 |
159. you'll be surprised by the new test standards. It IS far more |
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DrunkenMaster (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
86. contradictory argument |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. But now you're treading into the truly free-market mentality. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
59. What's wrong with teaching collective responsibility? |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
81. Please stop slandering Communism and Socialism. The trope |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #81 |
102. We are on a democratic party site and can't disagree with communism????? |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #102 |
126. Criticism of socialism and communism is fine, but saying that |
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GirlinContempt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 08:19 AM Response to Reply #126 |
190. Right on. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 08:42 AM Response to Reply #126 |
192. Proudhon and "private property" vs "personal property" |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
82. You need to learn the difference between socialism & communism. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. I KNOW! I KNOW! PICK ME!!! |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. Don't forget Capitalism |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Or......... |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....omelets! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #95 |
106. Not a version I'm familiar with |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #106 |
117. In other words, a rediculous caricature of socialism and communism, |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #88 |
137. Not quite |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #82 |
136. Great points |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #136 |
149. No, socialism is simply workers controlling the means of production. |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #149 |
151. There is more to it |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
97. Heh, nice site you chose to share from. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
98. Private school can teach whatever they want. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
101. You're getting public and private schools mixed up. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
105. Private pre-school, link to it here. Sounds fine to me. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
119. You know, you could actually read the article in question. |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. I love it when people don't read a thread. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. The thread got long, and I just skimmed the titles. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #122 |
150. Actually I did read the thread... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
125. Actually, teaching socialism is quite a GOOD IDEA. It will help the students learn cooperation. |
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Bolshy (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
128. That's great if true |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
139. How does this indicate that "Chavez is in charge of schools' curricula now?"... |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-30-07 04:47 AM Response to Reply #139 |
230. Puzzled, here, too. What a non sequitur. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
163. A private school can teach anything they want. |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
165. Whatthefuckever |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
167. The kids will be taught capitalism whenever they see a TV commercial, |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. Nicely put.nt |
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133724 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-28-07 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
173. Hilltop Children’s Center: Why We Banned Lego |
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tjwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
196. TCS Daily? They ran articles arguing that charity work and donation is... |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
206. Communism and Socialism are not the same thing.. |
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shance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
215. The "ownership" mentality does have "evil" qualities - and selfish as well |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-29-07 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
220. I Read The Alternate Article And Consider The Exercise To Have Been Absolutely Absurd. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-02-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #220 |
234. Did you also read the original article? |
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nick303 (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-30-07 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
223. Hey surprised no one made this comment |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-02-07 08:59 AM Response to Reply #223 |
232. No more ironic than |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-30-07 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
224. Property is Theft |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-02-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #224 |
235. What's wrong with me owning the clothes on my back? |
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Sabriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-02-07 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
233. Update, from Rethinking Schools |
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