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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:42 PM Original message |
I just don't get anarchists. Just don't. And |
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canetoad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
1. I don't think anarchist have thought beyond the point |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. They all kill each other because they think their version of anarchy is better. |
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canetoad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Yeah well |
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lxlxlxl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. your taking your cues from t.v. |
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canetoad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Don't be silly |
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lxlxlxl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
47. im not expecting a revolution, but i dont think cheaply insulting people on the street is worth it |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
211. Thuggish foot soldiers can be idealists too... |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. Welp...you're gonna get ambushed by a few of them here... |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
38. I have seen those mass arrests, I almost got caught in one myself at the RNC |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. So are they still in jail in some massive holding tank? |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. The city of St. Paul had to drop the charges on all of the protesters because they had no evidence. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. and you shouldn't have masked yourselves. Good on you. |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. The problem is the vast majority of people who are getting the shaft are peaceful. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. DCer here. I have seen every time the masked kids show up things have a habit of turning messy. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #59 |
209. Its all about breaking shit... |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. Here's the problem: |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
208. The masks are for the tear gas, not so much the photos. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
3. cue the long line of DUers to set you straight. |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I hope you're being sarcastic, Cali... n/t |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I'm reflecting the sentiments of quite a few DUers |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. not true |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
102. where are you getting your information? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
31. that is not true, it is just not true |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. oh, please. take your sanctimony and smoke it |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. yes |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
199. +1 |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #35 |
173. They can no more prove they were broken by an infiltrator than you can prove they weren't |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
214. Hehe... poor London cops. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
54. actually, cali is right |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. damned protestors |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #54 |
158. And a year or two ago, protestors restrained rock-throwing protestors in Canada. |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 01:08 AM Response to Reply #54 |
175. Hey officer, here's the incident is Ieoeja talking about |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #54 |
188. They interviewed a protestor on BBC "I'm here for the violence, I don't believe in anything" |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
81. It's called "irreverence," and is common with people who lack a proper critique. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
79. You've never wanted to break a bankers window? |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 05:02 AM Response to Reply #3 |
125. For the Nth time...I t |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
174. Not really |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
4. those people are not representative of all, dare say many, anarchists |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
5. The DU Anarcho-communists are always a hoot. |
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Artie Bucco (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. I have told a friend this |
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step up (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 10:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
153. Why is it pathetic to be unarmed, yet still believe that government |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 02:04 AM Response to Reply #25 |
180. Says who? You? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
41. Nevermind the irony of an anarchist using the internet in the first place. n/t |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
64. Yeah, anarchists are all Amish |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. So true. Anarchists are not one homogenous group. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #64 |
94. If you don't see the irony in an anarchist embracing the internet, |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #94 |
103. You use the word "necessary" quite wrecklessly there. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 07:33 AM Response to Reply #103 |
130. It would be quite a novel position to maintain that government resources were not necessary |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #130 |
156. That's like saying Obama must support slavery because he lives in a house built by slaves |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #156 |
169. No, it really isn't. n/t |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #169 |
170. Yes, it is. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 07:57 AM Response to Reply #170 |
185. Your analogies are off-base. |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #185 |
196. You find it ironic only because you are uninformed. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #196 |
198. If you think I'm going to go down the rabbit-hole of exploring which variant of "anarchism" |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #198 |
202. The internet would not be possible without the mathematics developed in 10th-c. Baghdad |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #202 |
203. The internet is much more than a stand-alone "technology" |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #203 |
222. Uh, the internet is based upon a few dozen routing protocols. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #130 |
221. I'm going to help out a comrade here. You actually picked a really pathetic example. |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 01:35 AM Response to Reply #94 |
179. A lot of hippies and counter culture types went into developing it as well |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #41 |
176. Please explain to me why an anarchist is not allowed to use the internet... |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #176 |
184. And if I had said that anarchists "aren't allowed to use the internet" |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #184 |
206. It's implied in your statement |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. I wasn't aware that we were discussing Linux. Just let me get my fanny pack and sword collection, |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #207 |
210. I wasn't talking about a Hummer |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #210 |
212. Who is backing away from anything? |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #212 |
215. Way to avoid my question |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #215 |
216. Um, ok. |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #216 |
217. Are we allowed to use the swimming pool? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #217 |
218. Oh, get over yourself. |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #218 |
219. Peace, love, and anarchy to you friend. n/t |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
75. An anarchist for gun control? Do tell. |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #75 |
91. Use both hands. |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
205. I love when anarchists hold their pre-convention press conference on C-Span |
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LeftinOH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
6. At my peril, I'll state my privately held opinion about anarchists: |
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ogneopasno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Funny, I have the same opinion. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. and let them be infiltrated by provocateurs really easily. |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 03:20 AM Response to Reply #13 |
123. Teabagging with right-wingers is its own punishment. |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
48. Tell it to the "SWAT" teams...N/T |
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lxlxlxl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
27. lets all just sit at home and watch tv/internet |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Anarchy != progressive politics |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #32 |
83. Anarchism is the *father* of progressive politics. The anarchists got killed by the communists... |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. If you think that smashing other people's shit and sitting at home watching tv are the only choices |
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lxlxlxl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. you might be misinformed if im going to reply to a cheap insult with a political manifesto |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. You are the one that implied that sitting at home watching tv was the only alternative |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
76. Are anarchists smashing your shit? Really? I've never had my shit smashed by anarchists. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #76 |
96. Please point out where I suggested that. Thanks. n/t |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #96 |
108. You said "people's shit". Who are these "people" who own a bank? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 07:30 AM Response to Reply #108 |
128. That's right. Taking extra sugar packets or planting your own garden is just like smashing windows |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #27 |
186. No understanding of history whatsoever. |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
65. 'til Mommy and Daddy finally notice them, |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 05:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
126. It's like kids in the mosh pit. They're there because they need it. |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
11. I see it as kind of a sophmoric trend... then they either grow up or they wind up |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
12. Anarchists almost by definition don't care about consequences. n/t |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
14. I Don't Agree With Them, But I Support What They're Doing |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. those aren't the only choices. See Gandhi and King. |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
51. Lovely Quote |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. yep, no violence there, boy. historical amnesia. |
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lxlxlxl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Are you even paying attention? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. duh, no shit, genius. And I've said that repeatedly |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #15 |
189. Behind either of those men was the threat of violence. |
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lxlxlxl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
17. that is your definition of violence? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. people who pull that stupid shit, put everyone else in danger. |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
18. You don't have to get them, you just have to think demonstrations are SCAAARY |
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canetoad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. Please don't |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
67. I don't think that's what Overseas was saying. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. All the more reason why those who choose to be violent jackasses are not helping anyone |
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Seeking Serenity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
21. It's the post-pubescent version of "You're not the boss of me!" |
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lxlxlxl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. what the hell... |
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roughsatori (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
23. I had a group of Anarchist friends, |
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WestSeattle2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
93. LOL! |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
28. Ahhh yes we had over 500,000 for the anti - surge demonstration in DC. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
34. It all comes down to a line from a RAGE song. |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
42. Peaceful war protests didn't stop the war |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Neither did violent war protests. n/t |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Which ones were those? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. I believe military stalemate and strategic defeat ended the Vietnam war, not protests |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. I think it contributed to the military stalemate |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
52. What is this in response to? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
60. Good job on those war protests! |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Thanks for stating that better than I could've |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. THANK YOU! |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 10:37 PM Response to Reply #60 |
107. Yes, you get it these protests do make a big difference. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #107 |
118. I think the notion of agent provocateurs is way overblown |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 03:14 AM Response to Reply #118 |
122. You're ignoring an awful lot of history to make that statement.. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #122 |
136. It was an overblown phenomenon then, and remains so |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #136 |
145. The heated debate in this and other recent similar threads .... |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #145 |
172. Cops don't need justification |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 01:26 AM Response to Reply #136 |
177. You're probably right |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #118 |
133. Agreed w/your earlier posting, but we part company on this one |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 02:25 AM Response to Reply #60 |
181. Good post. n/t |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
63. The greater the perceived injustice, the greater the violence. |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
66. Most anti-Globalism protesters are not anarchists. |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
68. Consider the fact they might be agents provocateurs. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
69. Gandhi, the father of peaceful protests, was an Anarchist. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
70. That most anarchist-caused violence seems to be by young males tells me all I need to know. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
71. That Henry David Thoreau.... always getting violent and smashing things out by the pond |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. You can't have a complex society without a government. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #71 |
85. That picture shows their ignorance... |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. How is it vague? What part don't you understand? |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. What about capitalism kills? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #90 |
100. I see. The thing with capitalism is that it inherently kills by it's very nature. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 07:28 AM Response to Reply #100 |
127. It "inherently kills" huh? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 09:10 AM Response to Reply #127 |
143. I do believe it kills by it's very nature - |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #143 |
144. That's ok |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #144 |
149. Globalization in the end will help equalize wealth - |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #149 |
165. I suppose we are in agreement in general |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #90 |
111. Capitalism is the extraction of profit from labor. That kills. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 07:41 AM Response to Reply #111 |
132. Capitalism does not equal class structure |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #132 |
190. Bollocks |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #190 |
197. When have humans existed without class structures |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #197 |
200. You are either utterly confused, or something. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #200 |
201. Capitalism is simply an economic system |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #201 |
213. no, no, no |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #213 |
220. Please provide examples |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-04-09 07:41 AM Response to Reply #220 |
225. Easy |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
73. I'm not sure "peaceful war protests" are a good counter-argument since they've had zero effect. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. Yup, breaking windows and torching cars! that will show those evil imperialists! *SARCASM* |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. We're talking about it, aren't we? Maybe then you might read a bit about anarchist history. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #82 |
105. Frankly, I think your attitude is every inch as sick and violent as those of Republicans. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
80. If there was no violent protest there would've been no gay rights movement. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. "The ends justify the means" isn't a good argument, at least not a moral one. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #84 |
106. I didn't say the ends justified the means. The means AND the ends were justified. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #106 |
195. Totally stupid comparison. |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
87. the irony of anarchists organising |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Actually anarchist philosophy depends on strong community organization. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. There is individualistic anarchism and collective anarchism - a good place |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. This is true, I am aware of the differences. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Thank you, that's a great resource. I particularly like this part of the interview- |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #99 |
163. There was a comp of Chomsky's essays, speeches and interviews re anarchism a few yrs back |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #88 |
192. That is exactly the problem I have with Anarchism, top-down coercion is sometimes needed... |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #87 |
116. Anarchism isn't against organization. |
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WestSeattle2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
92. What's to get? |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
95. this thread is a great example of why -- at least some americans -- |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #95 |
104. Americans are complacant fools, generally speaking. They never went through the same history... |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #95 |
110. Brilliant observation! |
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chrisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #95 |
151. Smashing stuff doesn't = Protesting. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #151 |
155. but the Financials can smash and steal right? |
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chrisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #155 |
159. If you act exactly like the people you're against, |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #159 |
160. useless sophistry. |
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Badlands Democrat (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
98. Why So Serious? |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
109. Anyone here |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Nope. Basically the thread is about perpetuating status quo propaganda about anarchism. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #112 |
117. "Windows are People Too" |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #109 |
115. I don't understand it |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
113. Anarchists are an interesting bunch. nt |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
114. Oh my! |
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Hanse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 01:20 AM Response to Original message |
119. They're kind of like goths. Only political. |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #119 |
147. Yes, and we like to drink your children's blood when you're not looking. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 02:15 AM Response to Original message |
120. I get the anger, I get the protesting against the government, I don't get anarchy |
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Mr. Hyde (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 02:58 AM Response to Original message |
121. The anarchists have a point. civilization would be better off without government. |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 03:32 AM Response to Reply #121 |
124. Hmmm, so you'd like to see the country turned into a giant trash |
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Mr. Hyde (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #124 |
134. some would argue that it has already become a giant trash heap |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #121 |
131. How's that working out in Somalia? n/t |
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Mr. Hyde (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 07:45 AM Response to Reply #131 |
135. well, it isn't true anarchy there is it. There isn't an absence of government |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 08:10 AM Response to Reply #135 |
137. That's because Somalia exists in the real world, where men with guns tend to fill power vacuums. n/t |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #137 |
138. using Somalia as an example of anarchy is ridiculous |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #138 |
140. I used Somalia as a counter-example to the statement "civilization would be better off |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #138 |
157. That's because the political philosophical conceptions have lost touch with reality. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #157 |
166. ...or, if it goes against the prevailing ideologies people are indoctrinated into believing/exalting |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #166 |
167. People are inherwently perfect and only indoctrinated into thinking they aren't, eh? BS!!! |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. The point is, anyone will be influenced by the prevailing public opinions of their time/locale |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #121 |
154. No government = no civilization. |
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Mr. Hyde (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 05:23 AM Response to Reply #154 |
182. All the proposed "anarchist societies" I have seen are inherently unstable, and would collapse into |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #182 |
191. The point being you can't get rid of government, you can only try to minimize... |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 07:31 AM Response to Original message |
129. Anarchists have as much violence in them |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 01:30 AM Response to Reply #129 |
178. You're equating a few broken windows with the deaths of a million Iraqis? |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 06:54 AM Response to Reply #178 |
183. No, not at all |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #183 |
204. Is somebody that gets in a fist fight the same as a serial killer? |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
139. It's always better when the oppressed don't fight back, isn't it? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #139 |
141. the oppressed my ass. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
142. I was sickened watching some of the protestors yesterday |
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step up (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #142 |
152. Because the other way hasn't worked? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #152 |
162. That's just silliness talking, I'm afraid. |
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chrisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #152 |
187. It doesn't.. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
146. * |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
148. The bankers jeering the crowds and waving |
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step up (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
150. You don't smell a rat here? I do... |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
161. How does anyone know if those so called "anarchists" aren't plants to make the peaceful protesters |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 12:24 AM Response to Reply #161 |
171. I know DC anarchists |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-04-09 12:58 AM Response to Reply #161 |
224. after the S11 protests in Melbourne |
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specimenfred1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
164. "Say what you will about the tenants of National Socialism..." |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
193. THERE ARE NO ANARCHISTS. Only undercover cops and angry teens egged on by the cops. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
194. It's Quite Simple: Most Anarchists Lack Any Critical Thinking Ability. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #194 |
223. I do not think you can qualify as an anarchist unless you have at least a basic understanding of... |
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