FBI used blood-soaked friend of family to lure suspect's wife out of home before search?

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I just noticed this on CNN in regards to the North Carolina group alleged to have plotted "violent jihad" overseas. CNN's main page listed the title of the article as "Wife of terror suspect says FBI tricked her". Check this bit out (emphasis mine):

Learning about her husband and sons had been particularly distressing because of the manner in which she was told, she said.

She said federal authorities sent a person the family knew to her door this week to tell her that her husband and three sons had been sideswiped by a tractor-trailer.

The person was wearing a shirt that appeared to be covered in blood, she said, and told her "it was grave and they were bleeding, and I needed to be rushed immediately to Duke Hospital," she said.

For Sabrina Boyd, the news was all too familiar: In 2007, her 16-year-old son, Luqman, was killed in a car crash.

"I had already been through this two years prior," she said.

She said authorities took her, her daughter and pregnant daughter-in-law to the hospital, where she learned that her husband and sons had not been in a car accident.

"When we got to the hospital they brought us around back, separated us, handcuffed us, including my 8-month pregnant daughter<-in-law>, and were very rude and then told us, 'They're not dying, they're detained. And you better cooperate with us.'"

She added, "They used the death of my son to trick me into getting out of my own house so they could just serve a warrant with nobody there."

The FBI declined to comment on the allegation.

I haven't been following the case much but I thought that excerpt was interesting enough to post in its own right. She seems to indicate this ruse was entirely so the FBI could serve the warrant without anyone present at the home- presumably who might protest the search. (?)

PB

[FiveGoodMen]

1. How many cop shows and movies feature the "good guy" doing just this sort of shit?

"Oh, aren't they just the cleverest!!" shout the viewers...

Life imitates art.

Sometimes that's the entire purpose of the 'art'.

[dmallind]

2. Unless I'm much mistaken - which is possible - that reason seems unlikely

The whole point of a warrant is that a search can be conducted whether the homeowner consents or not.

They may very well be worried that someone at the home would destroy evidence if present at the time of the search - for example deleting files as soon as seeing any official looking person in the doorway before they could gain entry. But consent? Not really necessary.

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4. See, that's what I was thinking, too. I couldn't think of how it would affect the...

...search at all, presuming the search warrant was for the property. If they could only obtain a warrant for some portion of the property but wanted to expand the warrant "on the fly" by claiming they saw something (say, through a window) while searching an adjacent property- then I could see....maybe...how that could have affected things.

PB

[petronius]

7. Perhaps the FBI was worried that the people in the home might resist

when the officers showed up? If there were weapons in the house, that could be a valid concern.

This sounds like a cruel and scummy thing to do, but it may have been justifiable. However, the FBI needs to state its case (declining to comment is BS) and I'd like to see them convince a judge that this was more than just a sadistic prank...

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9. I'm not sure they'll be made to, really. Although you could make the case that...

...this put everyone involved under and immense amount of stress which (it would seem) was entirely un-necessary. Again, though, good point about weapons and (from an earlier post) worries about possible destruction of evidence.

It seems pretty reasonable that the FBI would have commented if she was making the entire thing up. It wouldn't change any aspect of the case, per se, because they'd not be commenting on the case but on an allegation about the circumstances of her arrest.

I wanted to say I'd heard about the FBI actually doing something similar before but after some searches I couldn't pull anything up. It certainly seems like a novel way to get people out of a house very quickly. But, assuming it did go down like that, why go through all the elaborate bullshit?

PB

[lies and propaganda]

3. holy shit that is morbid.. n/t

[BlueIris]

5. That's like something out of "30 Days of Night."

Ew. Despicable.

[frylock]

6. what a wonderful country we live in..

i expect the Crowley Defense Counsel will weigh in on the virtues of pulling this shit.

[mzteris]

8. or maybe

she's making it all up?

[Thickasabrick]

10. You need to watch the video of the interview with her. I don't think so.

[Thickasabrick]

11. This should be a warning to everyone who is going out and buying

a lot of guns thinking there is going to be a shortage. That was her explanation for the large "weapons stash". Which, when I think about it, a lot of the whackos at freeperville have advocated since November to buy as many guns as possible because Obama will take them away.

The fact that this family is muslim makes me highly suspicious that some redneck hick down here tipped the FBI off that they must be "terrorists" and most of the charges are circumstantial.

This whole case just smells funny.

[gimama]

12. This story stinks to high heaven...

www.cnn.com/crime
I have watched the interview with Mrs.Boyd, several times today, & read the article.
This is a horrible abuse of power.
They *knew* her 16 yr. old son died in a car wreck 2 yrs. ago..
They show up at her door "covered in blood" & tell her that "there's been another accident", involving her husband & 2 other sons..
She goes to the hospital, where she is detained & questioned, FOR HOURS, not knowing if her loved Ones are dead or alive...
so the fbi could search their HOME, for hours, "undeterred"????
This turns my stomach, this would literally be torture for ANY ONE who is a parent. It is sick & sadistic & blatently against Constitutional RIGHTS. This is just WRONG, & needs to be fully investigated & PROSECUTED.

[Juche]

13. I don't think its uncommon for police to use people's kids as leverage

I was reading Clinton's biography a while back and remember him talking about a situation where the FBI arrested and detained a suspects kid in the middle of one of his classes (they barged into his class and arrested him in front of his friends) as a way to intimidate his parent, who they were really after.

So I'm not surprised. The police are not always good people.

[Statistical]

14. The courts have routinely ruled law enforcement can use trickery to gather evidence or make arrests.

This happens everyday.