"Systems Architect" wanted for $10/hr

[undeterred]

8+ years - .NET framework
5+ years - MS SQL Server
5+ years - ASP
5+ years - C#
3+ years - XML/XSL/XSLT
2+ years - Design pattern usage (MVC, front controller)

Edit:

Duties and Responsibilities of the Job:
Design, develop, and/or maintain current or new web based applications using the latest technologies available to the department including SharePoint, ASP.Net, C#.Net, XML/XSLT, MS Patterns and Practices, and Web Services.

Benefits:
The employer does not provide benefits for this job.



Unbelievable, this job should pay at least 3x that much. :banghead:

It says the pay is minimum $10/hour so I guess if you were really experienced you might get $11.

[billyoc]

1. Of course that's a phony H1B scam, so they can say they tried to hire an American.

[undeterred]

2. I'm sure they'll get an American.

[bemildred]

3. Yah, or a head count, or both. nt

[htuttle]

4. They want 8+ years of .NET framework experience?

The only people who have more than 7 years with it are the ones who were in the original pre-release beta program. .NET 1.0 wasn't released until 2002.

That's a pretty hefty requirement for $10/hour.... :eyes:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

8. I've seen a lot of nonsensical job descriptions like this.

Especially on Craigslist. Asking for experience that is basically impossible to achieve. I have to wonder if these job descriptions are being written by the hiring manager or some HR loon.

[Odin2005]

31. Like another poster said, it's intentional BS in order to excuse using HB1s

It's all about sustaining all the lies about American labor so they can use cheap foreign labor. :puke:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

36. Most H1-Bs don't require this kind of chicanery.

Other types of work visas yes, but H1-Bs aren't immigrant class and as such usually don't require attempts to find an American to fill the position, except in certain circumstances where the employer is deemed to be specifically reliant on H1-Bs, and those are quite rare. I am constantly amazed by how little people know about this program they claim to despise so much.

[Posteritatis]

12. Similar wackiness pops up now and then when the person making the reqs doesn't know the stuff

I've seen descriptions demanding five years of experience on two or three-year-old applications a lot.

[Canuckistanian]

21. They've been trying these scams for years

I remember a long time ago, somebody wanted someone with 10 years of Java experience. Only problem was, Java was only released 6 years earlier

[undeterred]

24. Probably posted by a tech recruiter.

They have a poor overview of when the technologies were invented. I've seen a lot of this. The other thing you sometimes see is a laundry list of skills that don't usually go together...there is no such person.

[Deja Q]

49. I noticed that too, but there are a good dozen reason why the ad itself is fraudulent

[FormerDittoHead]

5. This is my pet peeve about tech help wanted ads: .NET was released in 2002!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_.Net

.NET Framework 1.0

This is the first release of the .NET Framework, released on 13 February 2002 and available for Windows 98, Me, NT 4.0, 2000, and XP.

[OhioChick]

6. 10 Bucks an Hour?

:rofl:

[undeterred]

7. Not sure whether to use

:cry: or :rofl:

The Assistant Managers at McDonalds probably make $10/hr.

[OhioChick]

9. That's fucked up. McDonald's managers likely make more. n/t

[ingac70]

14. I know they make more.

I worked at a McDonald's in 1990, and the General manager made 50k+ a year plus bonuses.

[blondeatlast]

20. Starting pay at In 'n Out Burger is $8.25 an hour, no joke. nt

[whistler162]

10. Source?

[undeterred]

11. Its the Job Center of Wisconsin, but you have to be logged in to see it.

Systems Architect (732WI)
(Job Number 001060148)
http://jobcenterofwisconsin.com/

[TheMightyFavog]

37. Here's the job order sans contact info for those with no access:

Systems Architect (732WI)
(Job Number 001060148)

Employer:
IO DATASPHERE INC See all jobs by this employer
WINFIELD, IL
www.iodatasphere.com

Work Site County/ies: Dane - Metropolitan Madison

On Bus Route? No

Pay: $10.00 Per Hour Minimum, Based on Experience

Duration/Hours Per Week: Full-Time, 40 Hours Per Week Minimum
Shift/Work Days: First
Monday-Friday.
Number of Openings: 1


Minimum Requirements of Employer:
Education: No Minimum Education Level Requested

Professional Licenses/Certifications: No Licenses or Certifications Requested
Vehicle: None
Drivers License:
Type: No Drivers License Requested
Endorsements: No Endorsement Requested
Age: No Age Requested
# Experience/Qualifications: 8+ years - .NET framework

# 5+ years - MS SQL Server
# 5+ years - ASP

# 5+ years - C#

# 3+ years - XML/XSL/XSLT

# 2+ years - Design pattern usage (MVC, front controller)



*** Local candidates preferred, not mandatory.

*** Candidates must be a US citizen or permanent resident of the US. No sponsorship available.


Duties and Responsibilities of the Job:
Design, develop, and/or maintain current or new web based applications using the latest technologies available to the department including SharePoint, ASP.Net, C#.Net, XML/XSLT, MS Patterns and Practices, and Web Services.



Benefits:
The employer does not provide benefits for this job.










Company Profile:
IO Datasphere is a progressive software development and consulting firm. We provide services to both private industry and government agencies offering full-scale project services as well as staff augmentation.

How To Apply:

E-Mail a Résumé To apply for this job, send your résumé or Job Center of Wisconsin Résumé to [e-mail].

If you don't have a résumé, you can register and create one at Job Center of Wisconsin.

[hootinholler]

41. That's minimum $10, i suspect it a bit more, but it could be H1B bait. n/t

[UndertheOcean]

65. "*** Candidates must be a US citizen or permanent resident of the US. No sponsorship available."

there goes the theory of the Xenophobes

[Deja Q]

52. Like Florida, another state that's home of the insane or mentally deficient...

[4lbs]

13. So, they want someone with all that experience to work for just $2/hour more than minimum wage?

Yeah, that'll succeed. :eyes:

[prolesunited]

15. If the person has run out of unemployment

and can't find consulting jobs, they just may succeed. Slave labor is making a comeback in the new economy.

[jmowreader]

17. I don't think they'll succeed in that...

Waffle House pays $32,000 per year to its first-year management people, and anyone with that kind of resume has a degree that will get you into Waffle House. Admittedly the job uses about 0.05% of a MSCS's computer background--Excel is pretty easy to use--but it's still ten bills more a year than these jokers are willing to pay.

[Obamanaut]

18. Perhaps someone might consider ANY income is better than none. nt

[jmowreader]

16. Someone has been talking to Cohen and Grigsby, I see

Remember this DU fan favorite? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

This is the infamous video in which a team of H1B specialists from the Law Firm of Cohen & Grigsby tells an audience how to not hire any Americans, and offering $10 per hour to someone who was a .net beta tester would definitely do it.

If our esteemed Democratic Party wants to fix the problem of high quality technical people exchanging their cubicles for truck cabs, they need to fix the problem of employers purposely offering salaries no qualified American would ever dream of accepting so they can "prove" there aren't any qualified applicants. Well gee guys, people with MSCS degrees, which you'd need to have THAT kind of resume, don't like surviving on ramyon or living in a studio apartment with two roommates, and ten clams an hour almost guarantees they'd have to. You can do better than $10 per hour driving a garbage truck.

[Heidi]

19. Okay. I'm gonna be flamed, but I'm ready. What skills do we Americans have that NO ONE else has?

These are what we must develop, promote and sell. Our culture has busted the unions (we sat back and allowed it), so now we're in the position of having to A) hold back the tide; B) being washed away; C) being superior to our competitors.

[readmoreoften]

58. Our "Culture" didn't bust unions. Corporations busted unions and scabs, cowards,

opportunists, and capitulators helped them along.

Workers in India aren't "our competitors." They're are allies. Unless we organize globally, we have no shot. It's not a matter of "being better" than Asians. How could we compete anyway when our workers have to pay for health care and college?

You're right about one thing: we screwed ourselves. The good thing about that is that it can be undone with a few strikes. Cultivating solidarity with immigrant labor might be a good starting place as well.

[mudplanet]

73. We don't have any skills that anyone else doesn't have and

that's not the point.

American's wouldn't have any problem competing with Mexicans if, for example, Mexican auto workers made an equivalent amount in pesos to what American auto workers make.

Yea, employer's might say, "Why should I pay you $45K a year to do that when I can hire a Mexican to do it for $8K?" He can say that, and we can respond, "Not if you want to do business in the US, fuckhead."

[HughBeaumont]

22. What a goddamned SCAM.

Why do we let the owners get away with this? In a normal world, you wouldn't even get a 5 year C#-er for that little, let alone all of the other impossible qualifications and time-challenged .NET requirements this job entails.

A scam engineered for 28 years by the unbridled corporatists: Have the ham-n-eggers fight (or . . . as someone so eloquently put it . . . compete :eyes: ) for once-well-paying jobs now at just-above-broke wages, and successfully have them blame each other and the "have too littles" instead of the "have-way-too-damn-muches" for their plight. Astounding.

[Lucky Luciano]

23. This is a joke.

I could probably find a job for a person with such skills paying $50/hr at an investment bank - and that would be a junior level role - though such a person will likely be jealous that everyone else makes much more.

[madmom]

25. I made more than that working at Wal-Mart, and NOT in management

[Greyhound]

26. Let me guess, this was posted on Monster or Dice? n/t

[undeterred]

28. Job Center of Wisconsin

[Greyhound]

29. Really? Wow.

That's an $80K position even in today's shit market.

[undeterred]

30. I don't think so.

Its an 80K position if you had it before the recession hit. Anyone who comes in as a contractor now is going to earn less, maybe a lot less.

[comrade snarky]

69. Depends on where you are too

Silicon Valley or Manhattan still pays higher than Madison Wisconsin or Homa Louisiana.

[mudplanet]

74. That's Houma

[comrade snarky]

75. Dang! You're right.

My relatives in Houma would've slapped the back of my head for that!

[leftofthedial]

27. Gawd bless Amurka!

[Odin2005]

32. Like another poster said, HB1 scam, so f-ing obvious.

[UndertheOcean]

66. Ahem , companies are not required to post ads for H1-b sponsporship

only for green cards do they need to do this .

[boppers]

33. Uhm, hey, what about some direct, social, action for this kind of thing?

Flood them with hundreds of resumes, to shut down the H1-B excuse?

Is there any sort of group/effort/clearinghouse for doing such things?

[newportdadde]

34. Wow... I'm an IT programmer and I've started looking, I've noticed all of these jobs

want you to have expert level experience in so many things its just amazing. I guess I'm been doing something wrong in my career.

[undeterred]

42. Most of the positions listed are for highly experienced

programmers. There is very little on the infrastructure side of things. I think it may be that they really don't need to post job openings on a tech site to get good people for the lower level positions.

[Kitty Herder]

35. Maybe it's a misprint?

I mean that's just unbelievable.

[undeterred]

43. I was contacted by a recruiter about a job

for which I was not qualified. The listing had a complete description and salary range $30-40K. I pointed out that the salary didn't match the job description - in my mind it should have been twice that. He said there was no mistake.

For this particular website, I am guessing that the person who posts the job opening may choose a "category" of pay rate- so maybe they chose $10/hour minimum. But even $20/hour minimum seems way too low for someone with that level of experience.

:shrug:

[ChromeFoundry]

38. If they actually find someone to fill this position

at this salary... I would hate to be an end user of their product. For that salary, I would think that an intern on a college co-op may even turn the position down. But then again, a college student couldn't even have the qualified experience. Have to agree with the upstream posters, something stinks on this one.

[proud patriot]

39. I hate to think what a system analyst position go for

x(

[armyowalgreens]

40. I average 15+ bucks and hour as a waiter.

You should be making to or three times that much.

[mopinko]

44. DH says

$120K. he also says that you cannot post it at one salary, then change it when you start looking for an h1b. any changes have to be reposted.

[TwilightZone]

45. Some companies are required to post jobs publicly, even if they have an internal candidate in mind.

They then make the external posting qualifications especially difficult to meet, or they use the qualifications of the intended recipient of the job, because he or she may be the only one that meets them. Happens all the time in the tech services world.

I suspect that this is one of those cases.

[Deja Q]

50. A valid point too,

thank you for the post. Those situations occur too, and with many of us wound up over offshoring and fraud and everything else, posts like yours ARE welcomed.

[Lorien]

46. Employers are pulling this crap in every field

because workers are desperate enough to take it. The depression will get worse because of it; they just don't seem to grasp that unemployment and under employment= less consumption and use of services, which drives all the markets down. In my industries (animation and illustration) employers are asking for "free" submissions "to get exposure" from young, desperate artists and animators...and they're getting them! They are also running contests to illustrate a particular job where the winner gets paid $500 for a job that normally pays $800-1200. It seems like these days EVERYONE needs a union!

[Deja Q]

51. 'free submissions'? They'll say "no" and then use the design anyway...

By submitting, you agree to give them your work and they can make it theirs.

Even Adobe with its online photoshop allows Adobe to take legal possession of uploaded material...

I support protecting intellectual property, and stealing can be done by both sides. Only consumers have a more difficult time trying to make their doings "legal".

[undeterred]

47. Here's another one from Craigslist

Date: 2009-07-21, 10:47AM CDT
Reply to: [e-mail]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Running a Microsoft XP Pro shop with Windows Server 2003.
Could use a short term assist (or hand-holding) on several tasks:

¢ Re-config network thru server for internet connectivity.
¢ Apply Application services to server.
¢ Apply Web Site services for active & developemental sites.
¢ Install CRM and SQL capabilities to working order.
¢ Apply VPN connection that works! {Cisco RV-082}

Applicant must be able to prove experience and expertise.
Should NOT take more than a day.
Project / Hourly bids are being accepted.
Leave message at ----------------


Location: South Madison
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
Compensation: Equal to OR Less than - $200 for the day.

PostingID: 1281161178

http://madison.craigslist.org/cpg/1281161178.html

So this person wants a stranger who has never seen his network to come in and fix all this stuff in one day for $25 an hour or less.

[TroglodyteScholar]

53. Keep dreaming!

Should NOT take more than a day.

:puke:

[comrade snarky]

70. In other words

"I not only don't know what I'm doing, I'm so inexperienced I have no idea how long it will take to fix what I've done."

[Monk06]

56. In other words help me do something I can't do myself for less than I pay for a hooker. .......

That's Craigs List alright.

[readmoreoften]

60. A hooker also does something you can't do for yourself.

And he or she should be paid well.

[Monk06]

61. Unless you're Ron Jeremy but even he is getting too old for that sort of thing.

[sendero]

57. Should not take more than a day?

Do it yourself you stupid son of a bitch.

[Monk06]

62. A day = 24 hrs so one day at a flat rate is forty dollars less than $10 per hour

[Pavulon]

64. Yes, my name is jesus Christ, I can miracle that to you..

for 199, including a working ssl vpn solution. I would go in and waste their time and run a Microsoft and adobe audit. Then let them know I would be happy to not turn that over for a $5000 fee. Either vendor would be happy to take 50k or more.

And I will bring free weed for you to smoke and my hot sister for you to screw while i take care of this.

What a gaping asshole.

[undeterred]

67. ...

:rofl:

You understand the customer perfectly.

[mudplanet]

76. Hopefully, someone will take him up on it and the result

will teach him the value of paying good money for good work

[Deja Q]

48. That is so wrong... and you're right; 3x as much isn't uncalled for...

And many are salaried, doing that, for 5x or more.

Let other countries have the jobs. They can claim Americans only want money. Maybe they should live HERE then; nobody can live on $10/hr.

And the stress that these jobs provide for the responsibility (you try explaining lost or destroyed data, the responsibility is only second to the CEO in terms of importance)... no fucking way...

[mudplanet]

77. Actually, you can live for $10 an hour here

as it's the minimum wage in Santa Fe. You live in perpetual need, a hand-to-mouth existence, without health care or private transport.

When I work I work hard. If someone was paying me $10 an hour and I had that kind of experience I'd take it as a personal fuck you from the employer and act accordingly.

[tjwash]

54. Hee...and they probably keep wondering why they constantly end up...

...with drooling mouth breathing shit heads that can't code their way out of a wet paper bag. :eyes:

Honestly...they are probably crashing and burning hard and would probably fold up in 6 months anyway.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

55. fired this off to my girlfriend and she says

her employer would pay about $75,000 - $85,000 a year in California for that skill set.

[krispos42]

59. I make considerably more than this...

...and all I do is shove parts in a machining center and press the "run" button.


This is sad. :-(

[Pavulon]

63. I would apply just to waste their time.. please ink

even a wipro h1b warm body will not work for that. Maybe they missed a zero, fucking scumbags.

[Taitertots]

68. I make more than that and...

I'm posting this from work.

[TankLV]

71. That's NOT and "Architect" - an Architect deals with BUILDINGS. Period.

These assholes are "computer teck geeks" at best!

They are in no way shape or form even remotely related to the profession of Architecture...!!!!

[comrade snarky]

72. And a big fuck you right back

With your asshole geeks crack.

It's how you describe a group of databases or a network. Don't like it?

Tough shit.

[mudplanet]

78. Jesus,

before I load a truck I look at what I'm going to carry and figure out the best way it can be loaded. It's called engineering the load, even if it ain't engineering.

[comrade snarky]

80. Yep, somebody doesn't want to share his crystal palace

Of real, official architecture with all us lowly tech people so he comes into a thread when everyone is taking about how bad the job market is to bitch about a description.

What a tool.

Oh, and welcome to DU! :toast:

[DatManFromNawlins]

81. You wouldn't know real architecture if it bit you on the ass

And those who ARE classical architects are just the guys who weren't fucking bright enough to make it as engineers. Architects draw pretty pictures with Autocad and perform all their calculations with, *gasp* a COMPUTER!

Software architects routinely deal with systems which would completely blow the minds of any but the best "real" architects on this planet.

[DainBramaged]

79. There was an ad recently by me for a hardware tech

5+ years of experience, all the certifications, $11 an hour contract no benefits. I called and laughed in the HR person's ear and basically told her to go fuck herself after asking how much they made and being told it's none of MY business.