I recommend liberals begin arming themselves

[KingOfLostSouls]

be prepared to defend yourselves from the reich wing.


I'd like to say its only a matter of time before they shed blood


but they already have

just ask george tiller.


these town hall riots are just the beginning. the GOP has spent decades building a fundamentalist domestic army, and now we have a black president who's a member of the democratic party for them to focus their anger and hated of freedom at. they have spent a generation building a movement based on hate.. they hate YOU. they hate me. they hate everything they can find that does not fit into their world view of dominance. just listen to what frank schaeffer has said abot them

be prepared to defend yourself at all times when around conservatives.


they will stop at nothing to destroy everything around them in their mad pursuit of hatred and tyranny.

they are the useful idiots of the new millenia.



"The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending against all hazards: And it is our duty to defend them against all attacks."

--Samuel Adams

[cali]

1. more hysteria.

you want to live your life in fear, well, that's your decision.

[MADem]

2. Oh please. Is this the "New Theme of The Week?"

I've seen three or four flaky posts with this same theme. This sounds like the nonsense that some cut and paste from a certain conservative website.

There isn't going to be any great gun battle in the streets.

Find another fantasy. Get some help.

Go rent that old VHS tape where the Russkies invade America if you want to get your "Battle in the Streets Against Tyranny" freak on.

Sheesh.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

29. I think they are remaking Red Dawn. Just what we need now.

[Sebastian Doyle]

74. Indeed they are

Only this time its the Chinese commies launching the highly improbable invasion of the US instead of the Russian & Cuban commies. If they had started making the movie a little later it probably would have been Kenyan commies armed with "fake birth certificates" and health care plans.

[Union Yes]

3. Guns are anti-liberal anti-progressive wmd's.

I recommend all gun nuts go join the Rethug party where you'll find open arms awaiting.

[Fleet]

11. ... and very American, so go figure.

Guns are WMD's? How about knives, or sticks with pointed ends (you know, like the heads of anti-gun freaks).

Just because a person is involved in American gun culture doesn't make them a Republican. It's an explicitly stated Constitutional right for crying out loud. Besides, you shouldn't be so quick to alienate those who not only are well armed but have also put enough rounds through our rifles to be able to effectively utilize them should the need ever arise.

And that leads back to the OP: Just like any other tool, a gun is only as useful as the person putting it to work is trained in its functionality. If you have decided that the ability to defend yourself is worth the money that a quality firearm costs you need to recognize that an equal investment of time is needed to familiarize yourself with the safe and effective use of that firearm.

[armyowalgreens]

14. Jesus christ.

Guns aren't involved with any particular party. They are inanimate objects. They are tools.

But please, attempt to explain how the French resistance was anti-progressive.

[Lorien]

20. Gandhi's methods were Progressive. The methods of the

French Revolution were not progressive in the least. Violence is NEVER progressive.

[PVnRT]

32. French Resistance, not Revolution

You know, the guys behind enemy lines who made the occupying Nazis' lives a living hell. Clearly, they hated progressive values.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

35. Violence can be a tool for progressives. Big difference between aggression and violence

Defending against an attack with violence is perfectly reasonable and progressive. Attacking someone over their views is not.

[TankLV]

58. After the past 16 years, I'd say the French and Russians had it mostly CORRECT!!!

I can completely understand and support why they did what they did.

And I can contemplate a time when we will unfortunately have to do likewise...

[armyowalgreens]

72. The French Resistance is not The French revolution.

[Edweird]

19. No, you're just an anti-Bill-Of-Rights gun grabber.

I recommend all gun grabbers go join the republican run brady campaign, where you'll find open arms waiting.

[Fleet]

21. No thanks.

The Brady Campaign supports the AWB and then defines any autoloading rifle as an AW.

Their dishonesty makes them even worse than those who simply have an honest objection to gun ownership and violence in all forms.

[ldf]

86. i am against violence in all forms, too.

but i am not going to be walked all over, either.

your "honest objection to gun ownership" may be laudable, but not realistic.

if all the law abiders got rid of their guns, only the criminals would have them.

what do you think would happen then? you wouldn't last 24 hours.

that is yet another definition of insanity.

so you just as well get past that as an issue. and the republicans won't be able to use it as an issue.

besides, i think gw pretty much proved that they biggest threat we could have could very well be from our own government.

[depakid]

60. More likely a sensible individual who'd tired of all the senseless violence caused by

the dysfunctional policies you support.

[Edweird]

71. The factless wonder rides again, huh?

[Statistical]

26. The irony of someone with name "Union Yes" not knowing gun control was used..

to break the backs of organized labor. Under any "gun control" scheme the powerful, the rich, the political will ALWAYS have guns. ALWAYS. The mob who just needs to accept lower wages should have no right to defend themselves on the picket line.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

36. Not to mention the poor and non-white

[ProgressiveProfessor]

33. Private gun ownership is a progressive value. The anti gun bigots should be off in their own

fringe party so their fear mongering, rights restricting crap does not continue to hurt liberal & progressive groups and the Democratic Party

[Edweird]

75. +1

[krispos42]

46. And that's exactly why Republicans were in power

Because they DID.

And there's a million dead Iraqis that are wishing that the 1993 AWB had NEVER been passed.

[old mark]

49. Bullshit!

"The Constitution of the United States guarantees to you the right to bear arms...You have the unquestioned right, under the law, to defend your life and protect the sanctity of your fireside. Failing in either, you are a coward and a craven and undeserving of the name of man." Eugene V. Debbs

Mr. Debbs was a founder of the IWW, and an American labor leader. He became a prominent Socialist, a leader of the Socialist Democratic Party and the American Socialist Party.

I don't know where your idea comes from but you are totally incorrect, and I have absolutely no respect for your position.
No one who believes as you do has ANY CONCEPT of what the left of this nation has been about for the last 100 years.
I suggest you read a few books.
mark

[Odin2005]

53. This gun owning liberal says go fuck yourself!

[Regret My New Name]

85. hah! for you too.

[proud patriot]

4. Arm Yourselves with Wisdom My Friends

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Hale

[TexasObserver]

39. Recommend

[aquart]

5. Narc.

[HubertHeaver]

8. Correct

[TransitJohn]

6. WOLVERINES!

n/t

[anneboleyn]

7. awesome reference!! GenXers rule -- and 80s movies are the best of course.

[Control-Z]

9. That's just nuts. n/t

[TahitiNut]

42. (cough)

:eyes:

[Control-Z]

52. ...

(too blunt?)

[TahitiNut]

55. ...

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TahitiNut/606

[Control-Z]

79. Lol. That'll teach me!

I really ought to at least notice who I'm talking to before I speak.

[Divine Discontent]

10. hopefully that won't happen. I'll arm myself with the sword and shield of truth that

the good Lord gives those who are humbly seeking peaceful ways to quell violence. The reich-wing is definitely all wound up - but it's hopefully going to be deflated here by a great amount of us standing up for honesty wherever we go and speak about the health care plan. President Obama should do a relaxed room setting speech to the nation about the lies being thrown out about health care bill, or, maybe he and Michelle can do an interview with 60 Minutes and discuss the lies.

[Lagomorph]

12. Try to

live the life you want to live, not the life THEY want you to live.

[madrchsod]

13. i don`t need a gun

i have a pit- german short hair mix.

[Echo In Light]

15. Keep the Peace Keeper in the trunk, and walk in empty-handed armed w/ideas/views

My exact re to a similarly themed thread yesterday.

[Lorien]

16. Nope. The RW won't turn me into what THEY already are; bed wetting thumb

sucking COWARDS. I never met a gun nut who wasn't one. Such simple minded hysteria is what causes problems. A level head solves them.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

38. Look in the mirror on that recently

Binary irrational thinking is a sign of bigotry...

[cornermouse]

17. No thank you.

[rucky]

18. Don't take the bait. This is what they want.

Fear is all they know.

[Name removed]

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[Heidi]

23. From what I see every day at DU, plenty of liberals are already armed. (nt)

[B Calm]

25. Yes we are. . . Hell one of my co-workers has an assault rifle tattoo

on his arm and a piss on liberals decal on his back window of his pickup. He knows how I vote and he also knows I'm not afraid of him!

[Heidi]

30. We have two handguns in our home,

and we're probably quite a ways left of much of DU. I have a marksmanship certification but haven't fired a weapon since I got the certification 25 years ago; pretty sure I couldn't load a handgun fast enough to protect myself if I needed to do so, or whether I could get to the ammunition which is in a locked box inside a locked closet in time to protect myself. Both handguns were bought by my husband years ago; neither has ever been fired.

Be safe, B Calm.

[krispos42]

47. Wow, he's around the bend, isn't he?

:wow:

[B Calm]

82. He has more in common with my other co-workers than I do. I

shit you not, there are some strange dudes where I work.

[DeschutesRiver]

83. Us too, for the last 30 years or so

I always get a good laugh out of the fundies/right wingers who are so certain that they can "scare", or easily assault what they think are soft, non gun owning liberals, as though the right to bear arms and responsibly only is available to right wingernuts.

Hardly. Guns are a tool and not one whose use I'd ever take lightly (I don't take a chainsaw or knife lightly either, for that matter, or anything else here on the ranch that I've seen cause injury or death to someone). I don't go around showing them off to prove my womanhood (or dh his manhood), nor do I proudly proclaim "I HAVE GUNS AND I KNOW HOW TO USE THEM" in order to quell my own fears, nor have I ever used them to commit a crime. I use mine at home to practice or carry concealed as I've done for the last 30 years, or use when needed for a specific task (ranch related). All I am is a liberal leaning Independent, who probably appears quite soft bellied and without a clue to any wingnut neighbors of mine who doesn't know us well.

As for the few who know us a bit better - I know some of them feel unsettled by the fact that a couple of old lawyers about whom they made certain assumptions are not what they thought we were. Maybe they believed that only republicans could be capable of handling weapons of all sorts, and not be at all in fear of accepting some of life's more difficult responsibilities. Dunno, but the rattled look on their faces as they reassess us has at times been worth the price of admission.

[a la izquierda]

24. I'm going to a town hall meeting...

in Oklahoma on Tuesday. The only "arms" I'm bringing to the meeting are my brains and some signs. I'm not a weenie. I'm not afraid of these fucking morons.

I'm actually really excited for Tuesday. Not scared. And the good guys will be outnumbered, seeing as though this is Oklahoma.

[solstice]

27. Gun nuttery is party neutral. No thanks.

[boomerbust]

28. No Problem

[madamesilverspurs]

31. The bigger the gun the smaller the

ability to think for one's self (at least in the context of civic discourse). IMHO, of course.

[backscatter712]

34. Not sure if guns will help, but yes, we're in serious danger.

The teabagger/birther/health-care-screamer movement is literally a fascist movement, and it's just molted into a bigger and more dangerous form.

Before, the right-wing crazies were just fringe groups, and the corporations and right-wing elites were pulling strings in our existing government.

Now, the right-wing elites found a lot of their strings cut, thanks to the last election, so while before, we saw little more than flirting between the right-wing extremists and the corporate money-men, now they're in open alliance. The health insurance lobbies are pouring money into the teabagging movement, right-wing radio and FOX news are openly promoting them, and the crazies now have heavy backing.

It's not just astroturfing anymore. It's the classic alliance between corporatism and right-wing extremism. With the big guns backing them, they'll get bolder - right now, it's disruption tactics designed to thwart democracy, and they're getting more and more violent. If things keep going, before long, they'll be wearing uniforms...

[TexasObserver]

37. Unrecommend.

[susanr516]

40. I think I'll pass n/t

[ProgressiveProfessor]

41. While your reasoning is mostly hyperbole, your thesis is correct, liberals should be armed

as should most adult members of our society. Private ownership of firearms and the RKBA is a very progressive value.

[TahitiNut]

43. Strangely, I agree ... but I doubt most knee-jerk "liberals" on DU would.

Just as I believe Universal National Service is a 'liberal' (NOT libertarian') stance, eschewing as I do anything that purports to be a "professional military." I think a close and thoughtful reading of Rawls' "A Theory of Justice" bears me out.

I guess I just don't understand the notion that we'd authorize government certain derived powers and deny those same 'liberties' to individuals. It seems to deny the sovereignty of "WE The People."

[DefenseLawyer]

44. I recommend you play more Madden and less Halo n/t

[TheKentuckian]

45. Gun control is a authoritarian principle not a liberal one

What is liberal about restricting personal behavior and ownership?

Authoritarian liberals are more dangerous than conservative ones. At least you see the conservative coming.

[DefenseLawyer]

48. Gun control can't work

where there is a culture that can't be convinced that guns should be illegal and which continues to demand them. Just like alcohol prohibition didn't work for the same reasons. That being said, more idiots wandering around strapped is still a horrible idea.

[RagAss]

50. Thanks... Many of us knew this before they swore in Reagan !!!!!

[varelse]

51. Arm myself for what?

So I can be part of a liberal vigilante gang that (apparently) is prepared at all times to shoot at loud ugly ignorant people who are for the most part armed only with misspelled homemade signs and/or T-shirts just because *one* out of every 1,000 of them might be an armed and violent thug?

Thanks, but I'll pass. :shrug:

[Odin2005]

54. I'm already armed. We have concealed-carry here in MN.

[proteus_lives]

56. This Liberal is already armed.

Gun rights and ownership are a liberal and progressive value!

[Political Heretic]

57. I'd rather be shot than carry.

my choice.

[depakid]

61. Less chance of bieng shot if you don't carry

[Peacetrain]

59. Did your Mama drop you on your head.. just what the other side wants..

[Stephanie]

62. There's your first clue

The poster has his profile hidden. I think the poster just wants this post up at DU so FR can point to it and make accusations. YMMV.

[Peacetrain]

65. You know.. you may be right..

:hi:

[Stephanie]

63. Notice it's a hit and run post - no replies from the OP in this thread n/t

[Stephanie]

64. Second clue: poor spelling and grammar

Mark of the beast.

[eShirl]

66. you mean like... ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Pistols

[Skittles]

67. I will never become a paraonid gun nut

N*E*V*E*R

[Name removed]

68. Deleted message

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[michreject]

69. I already have

I carry a gun on me every where I go.

[billh58]

70. Defend Ourselves?

Those who do not read ALL of the 2nd Amendment, and interpret it as an "individual right" to bear arms are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own "facts."

Please, please do not try to convince me that carrying a gun makes ANYONE safer in this country. The statistics do NOT support that claim. Those citizens who are professionally armed (cops and soldiers) are killed every day of the week, 52-weeks a year.

As a former combat vet, I can guarantee you that one of the most dangerous people in the world is a fanatic with a weapon. The USA already has way too many of those.

[DainBramaged]

73. I recommend you lay off the booze and smoke more pot

[Kickin_Donkey]

76. Oh goodie, another gun nut!

Trying to get others on board their gun nuttery bandwagon. "Guns will solve all our problems."

Yeah, right.

We don't have guns in our family, and never will. No use for 'em. We're doing just fine, thank you.

You live in some sort of comic-book world, or maybe it's just the paranoid culture of gun nuttery.

[Texasgal]

77. Oh good GOD!

Seriously? :eyes:

[saltpoint]

78. We look forward to your post on death camps for Republicans.

Maybe start with a poll.

[Robb]

80. I've secured my own F-22 Raptor.

Found a smokin' deal at a surplus store. Is that sufficient?

[undeterred]

81. Guns, the answer to

nothing.

[armyowalgreens]

87. Incorrect.

Guns are the answer when they are needed for self-defense.

[Regret My New Name]

84. hah!