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swishyfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:18 PM Original message |
Tests show champion runner Caster Semenya is hermaphrodite |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. well how do they sort that one out? Anyway congratulations Caster |
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swishyfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Congrats for what? |
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panader0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Sorry |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Keep it classy. |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 09:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
42. I respect you for editing. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #42 |
65. Welp now isn't that a fine howdy do. Now why does that poor person need to have that type of |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. for overcoming a difficult condition and not staying in a closed room and wasting yr life |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. My guess is she's being exploited by adults who knew of her condition. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
53. How did she overcome a "difficult condition" when she didn't know |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. I wish her well. nt |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
4. not entirely true |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:30 PM Original message |
No, but it's sex organs, not reproductive organs. |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 01:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
80. I agree. She is obviously more male and female. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
5. Doesn't that mean she gets to decide what she is? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. That's what's usually recommended. I have friends with an intersexed child. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Not - in the olympics. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. True enough. This probably ends her athletic career. nt |
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Leftist Agitator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. "though getting others to not use pronouns is difficult. " |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. They encourage people to just use the first name, rather than any pronouns. nt |
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DoctorMyEyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
39. gender specific pronouns suck |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Why? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Why what? nt |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. I was asking why she would be allowed to choose her gender for competition in the Olympics above |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Oh, yeah. I agree on all points. She's been horribly exploited. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
6. I feel bad for her...seems like she does not even know this news yet! |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. How sad for her...I would assume she thought she was a woman all this time... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. The adults around her must have known. |
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NotThisTime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 05:40 AM Response to Reply #21 |
69. Not necessarily - friends daughter just found out Friday at age 14 - as this woman is an athlete |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 03:50 AM Response to Reply #69 |
87. 14 is not 18, and while female athelets may experience diminished, sparse and irregular cycles - |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 03:39 AM Response to Reply #21 |
83. Not all women get periods. There are tons of intersexed people. At minimum 1:2000 |
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Alameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
59. I agree, what a shock for the poor girl. |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. Well her medals should stand |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Her medals will not stand. |
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Jackeens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Apparently she'll keep her World Championship medal regardless of the gender results |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Thats the only fair thing to do |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Poor kid. Imagine getting this news. nt |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
9. what IS it with all the Murdoch rag citations today? |
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swishyfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Had no idea... |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. He's gonna have to do something |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
10. The term used nowadays is "intersexed", and it is a difficult life. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
12. She has all my best wishes. I hope and pray this is not how she is finding this out. |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
13. How sad for her |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
32. Sorry, but no. |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. So, can she compete with men? |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. I don't know what the answer is |
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DaveinJapan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
57. So given that logic... |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
14. This is a very sad story |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
18. WARNING: Whatever you do, DO NOT look for the Freeper thread on this subject |
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DeadEyeDyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
60. What is that? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #60 |
66. . |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 07:06 AM Response to Reply #60 |
76. IF you want to see the thread |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
78. I can only imagine. |
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Jackeens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
27. The handling of this whole story by the IAAF was repulsive |
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Ex Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 06:47 AM Response to Reply #27 |
73. Attitudes toward this sort of thing are unenlightened in South Africa, to say the least |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 03:41 AM Response to Reply #73 |
84. What? And they're enlightened here? She's still treated like a hero in South Africa. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
31. How about just going by chromosomes? XX=female XY=male |
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TygrBright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Afraid not. She might be XXY, or XYY. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. The bottom line is that no female has a "Y" chromosome and all males have it. Right? n/t |
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TygrBright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Not necessarily. Some intersexed individuals who identify as female are XXY. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:39 AM Response to Reply #52 |
62. There are also XX males. n/t |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 11:37 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Nope that is not so. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 06:44 AM Response to Reply #54 |
72. Well, thank you for the explanation. Guess I'll just have to take your word for it. n/t |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 03:44 AM Response to Reply #31 |
86. There is also XO. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
41. Let her keep the medals and let her compete. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. She has undecended testicles. This girl has already been exploited in a terrible fashion and |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. And I hope |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. First, I'd like to discuss the advantage that a 200% increase in testosterone gives her over her |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Have they been? |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Evidence suggests it, yes. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. You mean visibly available evidence, right? |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:37 AM Response to Reply #55 |
61. It's obviously a difficult time in her life. My heart goes out to the young girl. Most of all I |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 01:02 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. I agree with everything you've said here. |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 06:08 AM Response to Reply #50 |
71. This makes me wonder if |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #41 |
63. It's popular with me. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 01:57 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Thank you. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
43. More info is needed. No womb and no ovaries does not make one a true hermaphrodite. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. It probably means she has a vagina and a larger clitoris |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 03:50 AM Response to Reply #44 |
88. Speculating about her genitals is inappropriate. |
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Libertas1776 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
56. Well, that's one heckuva technicality |
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Alameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
58. I feel sad for Caster......... |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 07:04 AM Response to Reply #58 |
74. "God made me the way I am and I accept myself. I am who I am and I'm proud of myself." |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 04:11 AM Response to Original message |
68. ah, Mother Nature loves to throw out our preconceptions... but a poor innocent is now caught |
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4lbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 05:47 AM Response to Original message |
70. It seems Caster will no longer be able to compete as a woman because the testosterone levels are |
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Ex Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 07:05 AM Response to Reply #70 |
75. apparently they are well above the level for a woman |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. I think they're lower than most men. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 03:43 AM Response to Reply #70 |
85. Are they testing women or athletic women? I know women who have very high t-levels |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 04:15 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Really? What are these not-intersexed females free testosterone levels? |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
77. Is this coming from a reliable news source? |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 02:34 AM Response to Original message |
81. I feel so sorry for her. Not having a menstrual cycle is quite common |
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buzzycrumbhunger (793 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 03:26 AM Response to Original message |
82. A medical side note |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 03:53 AM Response to Reply #82 |
89. There is a standard time for transgendered athletes. I believe a decade. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 04:28 AM Response to Reply #82 |
92. Bi-Lateral Orchiectomy and E2 supplement could be the key. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 03:58 AM Response to Original message |
90. Seen that, we should ask Marge the proper course going forward |
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cherish44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 04:51 AM Response to Original message |
93. I think she should keep her medals |
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