Kanye West Breaks Down On Leno Show

[Kadie]

Kanye West Breaks Down On Leno Show

news clip and a tiny bit of interview with Leno... (video)

http://www.kcra.com/video/20914030/index.html

[Mojambo]

1. What a ratings jackpot for Leno.

For a guy as talent poor as Jay Leno he sure shits gold.

[merh]

71. I couldn't get pas the first 10 minutes of the new show, it was horrible.

I missed West, don't really care either.

[MadBadger]

72. Thats not a very good way to judge a new show, watching just the first ten minutes

And you strike me as somebody who didnt like his version of the Tonight show, because its basically the same show

[merh]

74. I have never cared for his show.

I don't find him funny.

I gave it 10 minutes, that was enough to know that he is still not funny. His monologue sucked.

[Mojambo]

80. I got maybe 5 minutes in.

His monologue was just so hacky!

My housemate kept watching. I could hear periodic groans of disgust.

[JeanGrey]

85. LOL!! I am so glad the "tonight show" is back, only it's

an hour earlier. I cannot stand Conan and won't be losing sleep to watch him. Leno just effectively took the tonight show back.

[Fla Dem]

95. +1

[Skittles]

2. it's no act

he's clearly ashamed - I think he needs to seek some professional help over his inappropriate outbursts

[madeline_con]

7. Yeh, a shrink because he was a jackass. What if he manned up and apologized? n/t

[Skittles]

9. he already apologized

educate yourself - and WTF does "man up" mean? Only men can behave in a decent fashion?

[madeline_con]

25. WTF does "man up" sound like it means? n/t

[Skittles]

26. I already told you what it SOUND like it "means"

it's a fucking BULLSHIT expression

[astral]

35. Ah, get the lace off your panties!

; )

[madeline_con]

37. I love it when the grammar police fuck up.

:rofl:

[Skittles]

62. I hate it when people cannot even explain their own BS posts

[Cid_B]

54. Dupe..

edit : Dupe

[Cid_B]

56. How do you feel about "Cowboy up?"

I was listening to some Chris Ledoux earlier and thought I'd ask.

[Skittles]

61. never heard that one

but, living in Texas, it imagine it must mean to act like a jackass

[wisteria]

67. It sounds like slang.

So what are you saying, you care if he did man up and apologize?

[ZombieHorde]

101. Sounds like a sexual position to me. What does it mean? nt

[CakeGrrl]

34. You're behind the entertainment news cycle. And some might consider that

his mother's sudden and unexpected death may have messed him up quite a bit.

But not to worry! Taylor Swift is unharmed and she got her make-up time from Beyonce and a follow-up from Beyonce's dad after the show. It's not like she was physically assaulted.

:eyes:

[ruggerson]

38. No, she just had a once in a lifetime moment

ruined by an asshole who thinks everything revolves around HIM.

He can't ever give that moment back to her.

[CakeGrrl]

44. Jerky thing to do, yes, but I'm only going to become but so outraged

over this. I've seen a few people on these boards blaming their shitty posting behavior on personal issues.

At the end of the day, the girl has her award and she DID get to say what she wanted to say. I'm not going to angerwank over it when the guy, unlike so many odious people elsewhere in public life, at least made an apology.

[ruggerson]

46. well that's true

and he's lucky as hell Beyonce won at the end and rescued the situation somewhat by being both classy and gracious.

I admit, Kanye and Eminem have always rubbed me the wrong way, because I think they're both such lousy role models for kids (and that's who basically listens to their music.) This isn't the first time he's exhibited this "it's all about me" behaviour. Remember a few years ago when he threw a backstage tantrum because he didn't win when he thought he should?

[CakeGrrl]

52. Well, this is probably his turning point incident, assuming it's not

an insurmountable PR nightmare for him.

[bliss_eternal]

60. doubt it....

i've seen some true horrible behavior overcome by spin, pr and a (seeming) heart-felt apology.
dog the bounty hunter is back on the air, is he not? ;)

celeb issues may not seem a big deal to many here, but there's so much we don't see, and are never exposed to. heinous, incredibly stressful crap that would make the most well-adjusted human being feel like they could lose their mind. add to it the loss of someone incredibly important in your life, :cry: (and who knows what else)....and well...:shrug: a person could start walking around w/a big bottel of booze, saying incoherent things, at inappropriate times....etc, etc.. :(

[ShortnFiery]

106. That threw me for a loop: I never believe that atrocious show, "Dog the Bounty Hunter" would

come back on after "Dog's" racist tirade to his son.

Hell, if the public can forgive "Dog", they certainly should be able to forgive West. :shrug:

[bliss_eternal]

116. lol.

i think it was more about the network than the public. i know of a few that used to watch (finding it mildly entertaining), that don't anymore.

if the show's not on the air, the network producing the show loses money. A&E took it off the air. it remained off the air, for a while (a few months, at least). i guess after he apologized, and a "respectable" length of time had passed (in their eyes), they decided to air it again.

:shrug::spray:

it would serve many to remember this example.
i frequently see comparisons made on this board of,"...if they used the n-word, no one would tolerate that." Um...yeah, in 2009 it's tolerated. life continues, after apologies are made.

it's not the ultimate "non-pc" behavior that many think it is. it still happens, frequently w/little more than a slap on the wrist (sometimes not even that). :shrug:

[goclark]

98. "George Bush doesn't Care about Black People"

- Kanye West to a nation wide audience at a Katrina Fund Raiser.

He also wrote a song about Katrina.

I would say, that was a brave statement to make TRUTH TO POWER...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090300165.html

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[MissDeeds]

22. Oh please

This guy's not ashamed. He's a media hog who took away a young performer's moment in the spotlight for an award she won. He's a classless dolt. :thumbsdown:

[Cha]

97. I agree...I haven't seen any of the tv on this but I

remembered reading in Rolling Stone about his mom(who was also his manager) dying unexpectedly in surgery and then I hear via DU about the outbursts and I see it as not an excuse but as a cry for help in a most public way.

[rrneck]

3. Now he's a crying jerk. nt

[liberalmuse]

4. Okay, I feel bad for him now.

He's dealt with a lot of pain, and it looks as though he could use some help. :cry:

[UTUSN]

5. Neh, I liked it when he shat on Shrub for Katrina, but this is too many times.

Just like when I likede it for Huguito CHAVEZ shat on Shrub, but SHIT is SHIT!1

[Seen the light]

10. Um, he can eat my shit

Like Obama said, he's a jackass.

[bliss_eternal]

6. perhaps...

...my thoughts last night deserved more focus than i gave them:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6543390&mesg_id=6543438

maybe this was the beginning of a break-down. :shrug:

it's unfortunate that it would come in such a way (affecting another young performer's acceptance of an award). but sadly, it's rare anyone can control when or how these things occur. how and when they manifest. if one needs mental/emotional help....they tend to behave inappropriately...and haven't got a clue they are doing so at the time.

if this is the case, i sincerelyhope he gets the help he needs.
i've had enough of seeing entertainers come to untimely demises, because other options were given them (i.e. narcotics, etc.)w/little emotional help--resulting in addictions, overmedicating and eventual death (i.e. heath ledger, michael jackson, etc.).

[Lagomorph]

8. He's certainly ACTING like an alcoholic...

He lugged a bottle of Cognac around the show, even at the photo ops.

[bliss_eternal]

13. wow...

...wasn't aware of that. thanks for that info.

sounds like he's self-medicating. :(
hope he gets the help he needs, and get's off the alcohol (and possible drugs).

[Lagomorph]

14. Out of control?

[bliss_eternal]

15. oh my...

...:scared:

thanks for the pic. :hi: scary and very sad.
he's not the first (unfortunately) and doubt he'll be the last...

fits the profile described by dr. drew (the celeb rehab specialist). with fame and wealth, comes opportunity and ease for gaining drugs, alcohol and any other substance they desire (frequently physician prescribed). :(:scared:

anyone else could NOT walk around w/a bottle of alcohol in public. they would go to jail (at the very least be fined).
but a celebrity? no way. he's just seen as partying. :eyes: (sigh)

it's just so sad. they're literally allowed to self-destruct (frequently in public). no one says or does a thing to help(until it's too late)...sometimes not even then.

maybe leno can be helpful.
as a comedian, he's seen it all from colleagues who've self-destructed.

[MrMickeysMom]

17. Yeah....

... that's too bad.

I can't get as cold about that as some others have here. We're all human beings, and whether people like to admit it or not, we all make big mistakes.

[bliss_eternal]

21. unfortunately...

...there's not much empathy exhibited on du for mental illness. :(
apparently, it's way more fun (for some) to judge others. :eyes:

[MrMickeysMom]

24. You know, you'd think with all the prime examples, it would be like -

a BIG fucking lesson plan here.

Empathy knows no party, then... not even Democrats. I'm guess it's a recessive gene with Republicans.

[Raineyb]

57. I am very uncomfortable about the amount of glee

being shown in this thread. I guess I'm not the only one.

[ampad]

75. No you are not

The media and folks on this thread make it seem as if he physically beat the girl on stage. I swear, before I heard exactly what he did I thought he actually slapped her. The entertainment news shows were having a fit. Turns out he had another one of his outburst. I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure that girl will live.

Human behavior is not black and white. The guy lost his mother, and even before that his behavior was sketchy. I started seeing red flags when he went off on Bush. That was ok for the likes of many on DU because it was Bush. It was not some pretty, young girl. However, that Bush outburst got me wondering about him. He has had many outburst after that and he has displayed even more bizarre behavior after his mother died.

At any rate at least Kanye and the girl can afford top notch mental health care for their anguish. The girl for being publicly embarrassed ( on no whatever will she do). Kanye for his obvious mental issues and perhaps help dealing with the death of his mother.

[bliss_eternal]

79. you make interesting points...

given his history (of emotional outbursts, at inappropriate times), it's a shame more aren't questioning his mental health. it's refreshing to see a few are.

i think it's time for me to go for the night.


take care,
:hi:

[bliss_eternal]

63. time and again...

...there are examples played out in the media of the fragility of human beings. michael jackson was one....britney spears, lindsey lohan are others. none had childhoods. all spent their young lives striving for fame.

no one is prepared when fame hits them. no one at any age, or period in life.
initially, people tend to behave badly, make mistakes and flounder a bit. who wouldn't? fame is not normal. nothing about it is. it's an extraordinairy situation that many strive for, and fewer still are ever capable of handling perfectly or well.

i shudder to think of the kind of person many may think me, if my teens and twenties had played out under media's glare.
:scared: :scared::scared:

[sendero]

96. He sounds like a classic..

... bipolar in a manic phase to me.

[bliss_eternal]

99. now that you mention it...

...yes, he does. excellent point, sendero. i wish more had the ability to see things from that perspective. appreciate your comment.

[sendero]

100. The phrase...

.... "it takes one to know one" comes to mind. :)

[bliss_eternal]

103. understood.

:hug::hi:

[bliss_eternal]

23. good point...

Quote:
We're all human beings, and whether people like to admit it or not, we all make big mistakes.

most of us, don't have to live out our mistakes in front of millions of people. ;)
something most don't take into consideration.

[Lagomorph]

27. It's hard enough to do with your friends and family...

Like I did, 20 years ago.

[G Gordon Libby]

69. Most of us don't make those "mistakes"

on four or five major awards shows in a row, either. They're not mistakes-they're "promotion". Craven, crass, self-aggrandizing promotion. Did you really believe he gave two you-know-whats about George Bush's politics?

[bliss_eternal]

77. most of us....

...don't live with people constantly trying to photograph our every move (paparazzi).
if we did, we'd call the police and report them as stalkers.

most of us, aren't recording artists.
most of us, don't know what it's like to be nominated for an award, much less attend an award show.

as such, i don't believe it's appropriate to maintain the same expectations of someone who does all of the above, to the same standards as "the rest of us." people that don't live "like the rest of us", frequently forget the social graces many of us, take for granted daily.



:)

[gatorboy]

19. Kanye or what the girl is wearing?

[Lagomorph]

28. Cigareetes! and whiskey and wild, wild women...

will drive you crazy
they'll make you insane....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVw96wzmZC8

[Jennicut]

31. AND he never used to drink much before.

He is a jackass but one with a serious problem. Mental issues or he is becoming an alcoholic....no matter what, he needs to get himself some help.

[bliss_eternal]

59. interesting...

i agree, and i'm also hoping he gets help.

i used to watch the awards quite frequently (a few years ago, when more bands performing of interest to me). on those ocassions, i also don't recall seeing him walking around w/a big bottle of alcohol.

if there was a problem w/it in the past, we would have seen the pics (per people, us or tmz) or heard the rumours from the same media sources. :(

[JeanGrey]

86. He needs serious rehab.

[rurallib]

11. any lesson here for Joe Wilson?

[Gman]

12. Bipolar??

[graywarrior]

16. Appears like.

With a drinking problem.

[Gman]

30. Not a good combination, but an unfortunately common one.

[CakeGrrl]

39. Tailspinning over the unexpected death of his mother last year? n/t

[me b zola]

49. That's what I've been thinking

:(

[bliss_eternal]

64. i heard...

...he felt that she was his biggest supporter.
poor guy. :(

[Maru Kitteh]

81. Internet pop-psych diagnoses are worth less than the pixels they're printed on

[Gman]

102. Not hardly. They can be invaluable when dealing with someone

with the disorder. I was saying Brittany Spears was bipolar long before Dr Phil got involved. It was clear. I used that with someone I'm close with to point out how being bipolar works and what it looks like to those on the outside looking in. Unfortunately, bipolar is a difficult thing to convince someone they have. But these type moments help illustrate what it looks like.

[bliss_eternal]

104. nice to hear...

...there were a few others advocating (on-line) for ms. spears mental health.
reading on-line during her breakdown, was downright depressing (no pun intended). so many ready to paint her as anything other than, in need of mental health help.

really made me sad to see.
the media exploited her illness, imo.

[Gman]

113. Anyone that jets all over the Western Hemisphere then

goes into a shop and has her head shaved is bipolar and in the middle of one hell of a manic phase.

[Maru Kitteh]

107. "Dr" Phil is NOT a fucking doctor!

But YOU diagnosed Brittney Spears.... yeeehaaayuh.

'splains a lot.

[Gman]

112. You're arguing Brittney Spears was not bipolar

please explain.

[Maru Kitteh]

115. I'm not the one making claims of amazing powers of clairvoyance allowing internet diagnoses

you are.

Were you born with these amazing powers or did you hone them with astral crystals?

[Lex]

18. Meh.

yawn

(not you, him)

[Kadie]

20. .

;)

[stuball111]

29. Ok Ok.. I apologize...

:shrug: for everything...

[Lagomorph]

32. Kanye, is that you?!?!?

Hey, where's my money, demmit?

Don't make me go Joe Wilson on yo' ass!

[stuball111]

40. No....

This is GOD speaking, and I am sorry for making some of you assholes! I thought if I sprinkled a few jerks down here it might make it interesting, but I blew it!:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Lagomorph]

42. Maybe if you had stopped at a few...

as it is, though, not so grateful.

[stuball111]

48. Even a few is too many, obviously...

They breed, unfortunately.

[Czar One]

33. A New Group of Teachers Needed

To instruct people in the art of COCC, Crying On Camera Convincingly!

[johnfunk]

41. I've had a soft spot for Kanye ever since he said, "George Bush...

... hates black people" live and coast-to-coast back in 2001.

I hope he resolves his present issues quickly and completely.

[Zoeisright]

45. Me too.

[Stardust]

65. Me, too. (Plus, he has the coolest name in the Biz, imo.)

[Hannah Bell]

110. me three & four.

[ecstatic]

43. Leno's question about his mother was over the top

He went too far, IMO. You can call someone out for their bad behavior without bringing deceased relatives into it.

[Raineyb]

51. Leno brought his mother into this? That's just out of order!

I'm inclined to agree with you. Leno went too far.

[ecstatic]

55. Yep. He asked something along the lines of: What would your mother think

about your behavior? That's when Kanye began to break down.

[Raineyb]

70. WTF? Leno is now the Hollywood nanny? Since when is it his job to scold

Definitely out of line.

[WillowTree]

47. Oh please. I'll acknowledge that most of what he said on Leno was good and appropriate....

...but he lost me with the business about blaming boorish and classless behavior toward a 17 year old kid who did nothing to him or, so far as anyone knows, anyone else, on the fact that his mother died almost two years ago is the act of a weasel, trying to make excuses for himself.

If he has a drinking problem, then that can be at least a partial explanation, but not an excuse. I've lived with alcoholism, watched it kill a man I loved with my whole heart, and I know that making excuses for them, or accepting their excuses, for their actions because of their drinking does them a huge disservice and helps them not one bit. I hope for his sake and for the sake of those who care about him that this will be a sufficient public embarassment to prompt him to deal with it.

I'm no fan of hip hop, but I do recognize his talent. Whether it's booze or something else, I hope that this is his wake-up call and that he takes this opportunity to get his personal act together.

[bliss_eternal]

66. forgive me...

...for interjecting here--but there is no time table to mourning, loss, the grief process or the emotional breakdowns that ensue based on people who've experienced such incidents.

people have experienced break downs decades after traumatic events. two years is a short time to the psychological and healing communities.

i mean no disrespect. it's difficult to see so many say things that aren't based on the reality of situations when dealing with such issues (regarding people in pain, emotional disorders, etc.).

take care.

[WillowTree]

68. No offense, but that's still just a matter of making an excuse for bad behavior.

"My Mother died and I'm hurting so I can act the jackass and spoil a young girl's big moment 'cause I feel so bad." Utter self-serving poppycock.

You're right that grief doesn't abide by a timetable. My Mother died fourteen-and-a-half years ago and Daddy, who was the greatest man I will ever know and my best friend, nine years ago next month and I still ache for them and cry sometimes when I talk about them. That doesn't give me an excuse to mistreat others, though.

And it's not the first time that he's been a prick about an award someone else has won. It's just the most public and eggregious. I'm sure he does feel badly about it, that seemed very genuine to me, but he should have just left it at that. I'd have had a whole lot more respect for him if he had.

[bliss_eternal]

73. so sorry to hear of your loss.

:hug:

i agree, that it is not an excuse for bad behavior. but it may be an underlying cause and/or reason why he finds himself acting out inappropriately. maybe not.

yes, i recall his prior "outbursts."
as i said in a thread on this topic last night, he could have some entitlement issues. certainly not unheard of for entertainers. :shrug: or he could just be rude.....

i haven't had to live as a famous person. what i've seen of it, doesn't seem like a gig i'd want. it seems to do odd things to people who may be decent human beings when you strip away all their gold records, status, money and possessions.

am i blaming fame, for his behavior? no.
i'm saying that i'm allowing for the fact that there's a human being, buried under the guy who seems to be acting like a petulant child in this moment.

[pyoom]

108. I think you're exaggerating the magnitude of what he did, though nt

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

50. Who knew that Leno was the best interviewer in the business? I'm guessing Sanford won't be on.

[tammywammy]

91. Sanford doesn't need to be interviewed to show his crazy side

He just needs to hold a press conference. :)

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

53. K & R just for the Unrecs

[Dappleganger]

58. Who cares?

You can't unring a bell. If he can't behave in public he shouldn't go out and certainly shouldn't drink.

[gauguin57]

76. Kanye was jumping up on stage and stealing the spotlight from people long before his mom died.

He does it at practically every awards show he's involved in. He was rude long before he lost his mom.

I'm sure he's grieving for his mom.

But he certainly has issues, and needs to get himself straightened out before he goes to the next awards show.

[blondeatlast]

78. I believe I read somewhere that his mom died 2 years ago--and besides; if he's grieving

that much, regardless of if she diesd last week or 5 years ago, he could take some time off work like average people do.

[JeanGrey]

87. I think the loss of his mother has had a great deal to do

with these meltdowns...she was probably his arrow that kept him on the straight and without her he is floundering. And she died for such a bullshit reason as well - plastic surgery. Even after another doctor refused to do it because of her heart.

[MtUpWithWngsAsEgles]

88. This is nothing new

for Kanye. he has rapped that he is pretty much an asshole. There is no cure for this. He has always done something crazy at an awards show. What's new here. The only thing that could be done is to leave his butt at home.

Love ya Kanye but wise up. Just because you think someone deserves a award over someone else does not give you the right to disrupt the show to let the world know how you feel. Put it in a song and move on.

[NYC Liberal]

82. Are there really people on DU who believe this wasn't staged? Really?

Let me guess, reality TV isn't scripted either!

[blondeatlast]

94. Most likely staged--MTV HAD to have known KW was gonna pull something.

Swift responded the way I imagined I would do, so I'm not certain she was in on it, but MTV had to know K would do something and I doubt they lifted a finger to prevent it.

I wouldn't be shocked in the least if he was being prodded with alcohol and "friendly sugggestions" as to how best to get a reaction. MTV KNEW they could get publicity if he pulled yet another stunt.

[Codeine]

111. 'prodded with alcohol and "friendly sugggestions"'?

Are you kidding? The dude is a full-time asshole. He doesn't need any help or encouragement to behave this way.

[blondeatlast]

114. What I meant is that they KNEW he'd act up and nobody discouraged him, for certain.

They got just what they wanted at no extra charge.

[TannerBoyle]

83. I almost ran Kanye West over with my car, once.

With that trick eye of his, I thought he was looking right at me....but I was wrong! :D

[JeanGrey]

84. Kanye is doing the right thing taking some time off. But he

needs therapy, professional help, and I hope he gets it.......

[dem629]

89. Kanye West is an obnoxious asshole.

[MzShellG]

90. So when is Leno having Joe Wilson on to scold him?

Just sayin'.......

[Raineyb]

109. We're not allowed to scold rude old racist white men.

It hurts their feelings. Can't have that.

:sarcasm:

[deaniac21]

92. Did he sing Gay Fish?

[Robb]

93. Who? nt

[A-Schwarzenegger]

105. Now I'd like an apology

from Leno for that crappy show.