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Sun Oct-25-09 04:58 PM Original message |
Ralph Nader deserves more respect than he gets |
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Taverner
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Sun Oct-25-09 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. Disagree. He handed the presidency to Bush in 2000 |
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Better Believe It
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Thanks for the info. I thought the election was stolen by the Republicans with Supreme Court help. |
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. That was stolen and there were some bad calls made. And I have seen |
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Cal Carpenter
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. In some parallel universe where everyone who voted for Nader |
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Jim Lane
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Mon Oct-26-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
125. You're totally misstating the position you disagree with. |
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. And he did so, gleefully. |
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Mon Oct-26-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
93. He relished the role of spoiler. |
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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yurbud
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
58. so you think he cost Gore more votes in Florida than the 90,000 blacks the GOP purged from |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse
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Tue Oct-27-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #58 |
169. I still don't know why someone isn't sitting in jail for violating the Voting Rights Act |
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
61. and he hurt Gore more thanSupreme Court stopping Florida vote count Gore would have won? |
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Mon Oct-26-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
71. 300,000 "Democrats" in Florida voted for Bush . . . but that had nothing to do with it ...??? |
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iamthebandfanman
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
103. sad. |
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Echo In Light
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
111. Gore himself disagrees. Nader provided a great alternative mythology to a dreaded conspiracy theory |
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Mon Oct-26-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
118. No, it was the 5-4 SCOTUS that "handed it to Bush", |
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G_j
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Mon Oct-26-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
139. no, perpetuating a falsehood is unforgivable |
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JackRiddler
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Mon Oct-26-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
153. Did you get some kind of Stockholm Syndrome after the Bush junta seized power? |
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patrice
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
2. I agree. It's all a process and he has had an important role. |
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SIMPLYB1980
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. Nope. |
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Better Believe It
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Who designed that graphic? Some right-wing corporate hack? |
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SIMPLYB1980
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. Nope just a smart Liberal. |
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iamthebandfanman
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Mon Oct-26-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
120. Yeah, its always smart |
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The Magistrate
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
7. No, Sir: the Smidgen Of Respect He Does get Is Far, Far More Than He Deserves.... |
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Prove it. |
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. the defeat in his run for public office proved it |
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bertman
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
53. The "people" voted for George Dubya Bush. Twice. So WTF does your comment mean? |
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
47. How dare you question The self-appointed authority! |
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Hekate
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Sun Oct-25-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
64. Read his sig-line. It's a major clue to his handle. nt |
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Cirque du So-What
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
8. Drivel |
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Better Believe It
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Why don't you think anyone should have the right to run for President? |
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Cirque du So-What
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
34. We're all so fortunate to have someone willing to speak for us |
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Harry Monroe
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
49. I voted 3rd party in 2000. |
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. If you knew Bush was a mental midget why wasn't that enough to vote for Gore? |
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Harry Monroe
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. I thought I had explained that thoroughly enough. Sometimes politics is also voting your principles |
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Hippo_Tron
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Sun Oct-25-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #59 |
69. Seems like a game of Russian Roulette to me |
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Harry Monroe
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Mon Oct-26-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
94. In 2000, how were we to know there would be a Katrina or a 9/11? |
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Hippo_Tron
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Mon Oct-26-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #94 |
135. There's always a certain probability that events like that are going to happen |
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Harry Monroe
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Mon Oct-26-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #135 |
145. It is my right to vote third party if I fucking feel like it!! |
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sabrina 1
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
114. Clinton did not commit perjury |
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Harry Monroe
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Mon Oct-26-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #114 |
146. Well, it's not the first time I've voted third party. |
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sabrina 1
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Tue Oct-27-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #146 |
157. I don't disagree with that |
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HERVEPA
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
113. Yeah, keep your principles intact. They're more important than the ill.... |
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Harry Monroe
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Mon Oct-26-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #113 |
147. “Always vote for principle, thorish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." |
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DontTreadOnMe
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
12. I'll NEVER forgive Nader |
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Better Believe It
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. You apparently forgave George W. Bush and the Supreme Court for their theft. |
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defendandprotect
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Mon Oct-26-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
72. Remember the GOP sponsored fascist rally in Miami-Dade County to stop the recount -- ??? |
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
13. I respect him a LOT, truly. For all the good things he has done over the yrs. BUT |
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Skidmore
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
15. Cue the tiny little violins for |
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Better Believe It
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. You're now on ignore for all posts you write. |
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Skidmore
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Sorry, not a Nader fan and I consider him a spoiler. |
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defendandprotect
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Mon Oct-26-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #25 |
73. Of course, the Supreme Court didn't "spoil" anything --???? |
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sabrina 1
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Mon Oct-26-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #73 |
119. And the role played by Fox when Bush' |
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defendandprotect
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Tue Oct-27-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #119 |
175. Your comments probably deserve a separate post . . .. |
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Cirque du So-What
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. You can put me on 'ignore' too |
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Harry Monroe
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. Ooh, can I get on his "ignore" list also?? |
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Danger Mouse
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
17. Meh. Meh. Double meh. Triple meh! |
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Taitertots
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
20. A new term named after him, a Nader |
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Better Believe It
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. You're now on ignore for all posts you write. |
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Taitertots
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Everyone knew Nader had zero chance of winning |
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sendero
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Please put me on ignore too.. |
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Harry Monroe
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
55. So, do you put everyone you disagree with on ignore? |
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
21. Fuck him. |
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MarjorieG
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
22. He surfaces every four years to knock the Dem candidate, not so much work in years before. |
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Better Believe It
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. You are 100% wrong on every single point you made! |
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MarjorieG
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Talk about purist spin. I almost don't post on your threads. |
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Better Believe It
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Sun Oct-25-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #29 |
67. Do you have credible links for your claims? |
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Mon Oct-26-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #26 |
86. I think that Nader should have supported the Democratic candidate. |
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malaise
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
28. I will go to my urn |
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Hekate
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
31. He lost my respect when he said there was no difference between Bush and Gore... |
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Better Believe It
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Sun Oct-25-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
65. Nader never said that! Perhaps Nader said there wasn't much difference between Cheney and Leiberman |
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Hekate
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Sun Oct-25-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. No. Nader was talking about the top of the tickets, as I recall, and the nature of the two parties |
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Mon Oct-26-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #65 |
129. i was at a nader rally when he said it |
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Hekate
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Mon Oct-26-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #129 |
144. Well done for remembering actual facts! |
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Patriot 76
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
32. So you're a Green? |
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EFerrari
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
106. Ralph Nader is not a Green. n/t |
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
33. Here's a fact for the shallow and narrow minded partisans |
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
35. Hell, the Corvair wasn't even that bad of a safety hazard. He's neutralized all the good he |
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AllentownJake
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
37. If Ralph was doing the work he does every odd 4 years |
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Hekate
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Sun Oct-25-09 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
38. All these people you are putting on ignore! Was this by design when you posted? You flushed'em out |
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Harry Monroe
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Sun Oct-25-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
62. Yeah, I guess he showed 'em!! |
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Hekate
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Sun Oct-25-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Eh, someone I disagree with has to be pretty disagreeable before they get the Iggy Prize. |
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Sun Oct-25-09 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
39. NOPE. Less. His ego is larger than his common sense or the interests of |
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Sun Oct-25-09 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
40. He never lost my respect. |
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Lost-in-FL
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Sun Oct-25-09 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
41. Fuck that. nt |
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geek tragedy
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
42. Fuck Ralph Nader and all of his moronic supporters. |
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azmouse
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. +1 |
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
43. I'd say he gets exactly the respect he deserves. nt |
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
44. 4000 Americans dead in Iraq because of Nader |
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defendandprotect
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Mon Oct-26-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #44 |
75. That had nothing to do with the Supremes . . .???? |
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Mon Oct-26-09 05:09 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Fuck Nader |
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Mon Oct-26-09 05:33 AM Response to Reply #75 |
81. 97,488 FL votes for Nader |
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Mon Oct-26-09 07:48 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. The reason Gore lost is NADER!!! |
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Mon Oct-26-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #84 |
128. Gore didn't lose anything but a 5-4 vote in the Supreme Court |
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #81 |
99. 300,000 "Democrats" voted for Bush in Florida . . . !!! |
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Mon Oct-26-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. How do you think we ended up with a Supreme Court made up of mostly wingnuts? |
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Better Believe It
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Mon Oct-26-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #83 |
95. Because the Democrats gave away the right to filibuster against them |
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defendandprotect
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #95 |
104. Thank you . . . we need those constant reminders . . . !!! |
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defendandprotect
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #83 |
101. You mean 300,000 "Democrats" who voted for Bush in Florida???? |
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Mon Oct-26-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #44 |
85. So I guess all the Democrats who voted for the IWR have nothing to do with it? |
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Mon Oct-26-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. I blame Nader and the idiots who voted for him for those IWR votes |
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #88 |
105. 300,000 "Democrats" in Florida who voted for Bush . . . enabled him . . . |
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Mon Oct-26-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
155. How do you live with your bullshit piled so high, really now? |
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sabrina 1
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Tue Oct-27-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #44 |
158. Nader voted for the war in Iraq? |
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NNN0LHI
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
45. We have a Nader Nut here putting people on ignore for not bowing to Ralph? |
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
46. He gets FAR more respect than he should. |
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
48. He gets none from me, I despise him |
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
52. Respect? At DU? Is it April Fools again already? |
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
57. UnReKKK forever. Neh, he don't deserve NOTHING!1 n/t |
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Sun Oct-25-09 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
60. It's threads like this that make me wonder why the fuck I am a Democrat. If you have |
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defendandprotect
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Mon Oct-26-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #60 |
74. Absolutely true . . . and Nader's been telling truth for decades . . . |
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BzaDem
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Mon Oct-26-09 01:24 AM Response to Reply #60 |
76. Its responses like these that make me wonder why you are a Democrat. |
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:54 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. It's been done and the Democratic Party became a national joke. n/t |
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bertman
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Mon Oct-26-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #76 |
89. I've been a Democrat for over 40 years, supporting Democratic candidates at the |
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Better Believe It
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Mon Oct-26-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #76 |
96. So you want a party run by the DLC? You got it! |
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Better Believe It
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Mon Oct-26-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #76 |
97. So you want a party run by the DLC? You got it! |
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Starbucks Anarchist
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Sun Oct-25-09 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
66. Nader can go fuck himself. |
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Better Believe It
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Mon Oct-26-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #66 |
98. How exactly is that done? I assume you have experience in this area? |
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defendandprotect
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #98 |
107. Very funny . . . !!! |
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Starbucks Anarchist
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Mon Oct-26-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #98 |
151. Ooh, the Nader ass-kisser has me on ignore. |
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DerekG
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Sun Oct-25-09 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
70. Prophets don't get respect, only vitriol |
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Le Taz Hot
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Mon Oct-26-09 05:14 AM Response to Original message |
79. K & R with one correction. |
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La Coliniere
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Mon Oct-26-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
132. Ain't it the truth. |
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CTLawGuy
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Mon Oct-26-09 05:18 AM Response to Original message |
80. Vehemently disagree |
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TexasObserver
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Mon Oct-26-09 05:36 AM Response to Original message |
82. Unrecommend |
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cherish44
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Mon Oct-26-09 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
87. They would have stolen the election with or without Nader on the ticket |
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WI_DEM
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Mon Oct-26-09 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
90. Not when he felt that there wouldn't be much difference between a Gore and a Bush presidency. |
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Better Believe It
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #90 |
108. Links please. Thank you! |
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HardWorkingDem
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Mon Oct-26-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #108 |
121. In a perfect country, yes, he does, but not this one... |
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Better Believe It
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Mon Oct-26-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #121 |
141. Ralph Nader has pointed out the differences in the two corporate run parties more than anyone else! |
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HardWorkingDem
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Mon Oct-26-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. Um....the article I read was not.... |
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Better Believe It
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Mon Oct-26-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #143 |
148. Do you have a link to that article and Ralph Nader's response? |
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HardWorkingDem
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Mon Oct-26-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #148 |
152. No..... |
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Better Believe It
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Tue Oct-27-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #152 |
174. Well, that article simply wasn't accurate. |
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HardWorkingDem
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Tue Oct-27-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #174 |
177. Sorry to disagree and we'll have to leave it at that... |
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BolivarianHero
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Mon Oct-26-09 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
91. Nader needs to shut the fuck up... |
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Mon Oct-26-09 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
92. I'll give this a recommend. |
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Tue Oct-27-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #92 |
160. Good post, thank you ~ |
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Tue Oct-27-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #160 |
173. You would think... |
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
100. he had my respect in the seventies, not anymore. |
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
102. uhhhh.... NO |
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
109. It's harder to be criticized from the left. I'll rec for Ralph. n/t |
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
110. Mis-directed anger at Nader, and the willingness of Democrats |
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. It's a preferred mythology that allows continued denial and hatred of "conspiracy theories" |
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. True, as if the SC decided the outcome of an election |
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. PNAC plans, a big 'new' enemy/phony "war" vis-a-vis false flag to justify the PNAC plans |
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Mon Oct-26-09 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
117. wow what a telling thread |
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Mon Oct-26-09 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
122. "I felt like a nigger." |
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Mon Oct-26-09 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
123. I'll rec this. Ralph's less of a sellout than Obama and our Dem Congress. n/t |
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Mon Oct-26-09 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
124. WOW. This thread is now at +9. |
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Mon Oct-26-09 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
126. If all those people who voter for gore had voted for nader, we would not have had bush |
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Mon Oct-26-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #126 |
131. And if all the Gore and Nader voters had voted for John Hagelin, we wouldn't have had Bush. So what? |
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Mon Oct-26-09 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
127. Just saw Ralph on Ed Schultz' show. |
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Mon Oct-26-09 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
130. In this post a Nader-basher tries to begin a civil conversation with the Nader supporters |
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Mon Oct-26-09 09:15 PM Response to Reply #130 |
142. Your post makes sense ~ this is what Kucinich has done |
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Tue Oct-27-09 01:24 AM Response to Reply #142 |
161. One can be a Nader basher and still care about stolen elections. |
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Mon Oct-26-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
133. Nader can STILL kiss my ass. n/t |
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Mon Oct-26-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
134. Ppppppppppt. |
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Mon Oct-26-09 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
136. No he doesn't |
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Mon Oct-26-09 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
137. Nobody knows how a fuller recount would have turned out |
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Mon Oct-26-09 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
138. No he does not. He deserves a punch in the nuts. |
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Mon Oct-26-09 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
140. nevermind |
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Mon Oct-26-09 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
149. Nader is a fool, a tool used by right wingers to drive a wedge between democrats. |
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Mon Oct-26-09 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
150. this is total bullshit |
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Tue Oct-27-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #150 |
159. Many detest Nader because they're incapable of taking responsibility |
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Tue Oct-27-09 02:52 AM Response to Reply #159 |
162. he would have been more effective without pulling that senseless stunt |
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Tue Oct-27-09 03:14 AM Response to Reply #162 |
163. Maybe, maybe not- in hindsight it's always easy to say |
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Tue Oct-27-09 03:35 AM Response to Reply #163 |
164. I had great respect for Nader before 2000 |
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Tue Oct-27-09 07:46 AM Response to Reply #163 |
165. No, it's not just hindsight. People using foresight said the same thing. |
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Mon Oct-26-09 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
154. That was true once, but he has long since jumped the shark IMHO. |
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Mon Oct-26-09 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
156. Ralph Nadir is despicable |
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Tue Oct-27-09 07:48 AM Response to Original message |
166. Ralph Nader is a racist piece of shit. |
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Tue Oct-27-09 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
167. You can't be serious |
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Tue Oct-27-09 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
168. The desperate willingness of so many |
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Tue Oct-27-09 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
170. Mr. Nader perfected the art of greenwashing. He's the guy with the shovel following the elephant. |
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Tue Oct-27-09 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
171. No He Doesn't. He's An Utter Piece Of Egotistical Filth. FUCK NADER. |
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Tue Oct-27-09 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
172. Nader is right and has always been right. |
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Tue Oct-27-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #172 |
176. I'm a social justice leftist and Nader's too far right for me... |
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