Let's clear this up...Carrie Prejean is a liar ...she DID NOT make that tape for an ex-boyfriend..

[joeybee12]

....she is lying. That tape was originally produced months ago along with those semi-naked photos...THAT SHE POSED FOR FOR MONEY...but we didn't really know what was in it at the time only that TMZ referred to it at the time as too racy to show. It was back in the news when she was shown it by the pageant organizers to prove she had broken her contract, when she claimed all along she never broke her contract but that she was fired for her beliefs. SHE WAS NOT BLACKMAILED. SHE WAS SHOWN EVIDENCE THAT HER SUIT WAS BASELESS. SHE LIED! So now she comes out and says she made the tape for her boyfriend, whom she won't name, doesn't say when it was made, has no details and ALL OF A SUDDEN because all men are scum we're supposed to believe her?

GIVE ME A PHUCKING BREAK!

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

1. Hmmm... I will have to study the tape to be sure.

[cbdo2007]

2. You watch a lot of child porn? She says she was only 17 when the tape was made.

I'd rather not see it personally.

[The Magistrate]

3. Then Someone, Sir, Is Going To Jail....

[atreides1]

5. She made the same claim about the photos didn't she?

And that turned out to be a lie!!

[EOTE]

7. Do you know what a child is? And do you really believe a word that comes from her mouth?

Even if she were 17 when she made this tape, which I highly doubt, she certainly wasn't a child. She says she was 17 at the time because that will make it more difficult to disseminate. Every single word that comes from her mouth is to benefit herself. If she is telling the truth, it would be a rarity.

[cbdo2007]

9. I believe the laws when it comes to child porn are under 18 so 17 would qualify.

But for the record, I'm quite sure she made up the 17 years old thing as well just so people wouldn't post it on the internet.

[EOTE]

14. I'm not sure, but I believe that's not the case pertaining to federal law.

Certainly it's illegal to produce any pornography with participants under 18 years of age, but I believe the limit for possession is less than that. Perhaps 16, but I'm not sure. That being said, I think if she were 17 at the time (which, once again I strongly doubt), it would be illegal to sell or distribute the video, but not to own it.

[WonderGrunion]

16. It would be illegal to produce it

That is what she did if she were 17. She produced kiddie porn.

[EOTE]

17. Then she needs to be held accountable.

Surely she doesn't want to condone the production of child pornography, does she?

[WonderGrunion]

18. I think she should be jailed and put on the sex offender list

It would only be just. God would want her judged this harshly.

[EOTE]

20. Jesus, save me from your flock.

If putting her on the sex offender registry would keep her from sexually assaulting me or my loved ones, then so be it.

[blogslut]

39. It's illegal to own it, download it, look at it, link to it, as well as produce it

If Ms. Prejean made that tape and sent it to her boyfriend, Ms. Prejean could most definitely be charged with distributing CP.

If you accidentally come across actual CP and load the images onto your computer you are in violation of the law. This is exactly why Pete Townshend got in trouble for his "research".

[whopis01]

57. Federal law uses the term 'minor' which is defined as someone under 18.

It does not make any distinction between possession and production (at least as far as the age of the minor is concerned).

It does have to involve interstate commerce to fall under the Federal laws. However, they have taken a very broad view of what 'interstate commerce' means and have set precedence that if any of the equipment used to produce or distribute it involve interstate transactions, then the whole thing comes under Federal law. Meaning that a person can film it and hand it his neighbor, but it is considered interstate commerce if the camera used or the DVD it was stored on was produced outside of that state in whole or in part.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

13. I will defer to your expertise on child porn.

Since I get no sexual thrill from prurient self-righteousness I don't follow this kind of story very closely and was unaware of her alleged age.

I don't get off on child porn.

I also do not get off on news stories about child porn.

How many of those two statements can you make? Obviously less than two.

[rucky]

15. I'd be willing to wait a year. n/t

[Winterblues]

43. 16 is the legal age of consent..

It most certainly is not child porn.. Could be porn I don't know as I haven't seen it but it is not child porn..

[blogslut]

48. Consent has nothing to do with the laws on the production and distribution of adult content

It's about the age of majority - the age the law recognizes as when one is old enough to sign contracts.

[TwilightZone]

49. Consent age doesn't apply to recording it.

Consent age only applies to having sex. It doesn't cover documenting it.

A lot of high school students who are sending pictures and video of themselves to their boyfriends and girlfriends are finding that out. The media's been full of stories about it.

[dysfunctional press]

52. traci lords did some of her best work before she turned 18...

okay- ALL of her best work.

[11 Bravo]

38. I find nothing about that vapid twit to be even remotely exciting.

She makes me long for the intelligent discourse engaged in by Miss Teen South Carolina.

[DJ13]

4. Her story doesnt pass the smell test

[joeybee12]

41. I know..she throws out the victmi card and suddenly she's telling the truth?

Someone posted an excerpt from her book...how she didn't want to have the boob job and was forced to...there's a name for her illness...the kind where it's impossible to stop lying.

[MineralMan]

6. Who really cares? Carrie Prejean is, and will always be,

a silly person. Her sex tape will eventually join the thousands of other amateur sex tapes that clutter the internet. She'll drift back into the same anonymity from whence she came and nobody will give a good goddamn about any of this.

It's really not worth discussing, especially not discussion full of ALL CAPS heavy breathing. It's really not.

[EOTE]

8. That depends on the quality of the tape.

I mean, it's likely that she'll fade into obscurity, but perhaps she's got an immense talent. Maybe her sex tape will stand out in the crowd and be the most masturbated to video in decades. As for whether or not the heavy breathing is required, that remains to be seen.

[MineralMan]

10. It seems unlikely.

There are thousands of tapes just like that one all over the web. Made for boyfriends, they get posted at sites specifically for that when the relationship ends and the boyfriend wants a little revenge. I imagine Miss Prejean's tape is pretty much like the rest of them. Pretty boring, really.

[cbdo2007]

11. This post is useless without links and passwords (where necessary)

ha ha, j/k

[MineralMan]

12. Can't help you. I haven't been to any of those sites for a very

long time. Shouldn't be hard to find, though, if you are looking.

[EOTE]

19. And you're being rather kind by considering her a "silly person".

I think of silly people as being mostly harmless, that's a quality I don't ascribe to Miss Prejean. When I think of silly people, I think of this:



When I think of Carrie Prejean, I think of this:



and this:

[MineralMan]

21. Nah, Carrie Prejean will soon be forgotten. She has burned out.

The Bible shouters don't like her any more. We never did. She'll end up getting married to some schlub and disappear into the background. She doesn't have what's necessary to become someone important in any way.

[EOTE]

22. I hope so, but the fundies never fail to surprise.

It seems to me that they can be rather forgiving of someone who is capable of furthering their cause. Of course, if the person is more of a liability (like Ted Haggard), they'll kick him/her to the curb and leave 'em for dead.

[MineralMan]

23. Time will tell. Search for her name in a year and we'll see.

[Th1onein]

30. Why do people post on threads, the topic of which they deem "not worth discussing"?

Seriously? What's the motivation here? If you don't want to discuss the topic, don't post in the thread. Especially if your posting is putting down the OP, who obviously and clearly DOES want to discuss the topic, along with other posters, who ARE actually discussing the topic.

[MineralMan]

34. I don't know why "people" do that, but I can tell you why I did it.

We have belabored this topic beyond all semblance of its importance. That is my statement by posting in this thread.

Thank you for your concern about my thought process. As you may have noticed, several people replied to my post, so it was apparently considered worthy of discussion within the thread. Even you have commented on it.

My post is just part of the discussion, as is yours.

[Th1onein]

42. Ahhhh, I see......MineralMan says it's time to stop talking about this then.....

Obviously, though, it's important to at least ONE person on this forum, and apparently to several others, too, who are now discussing it, because they're posting more than the "not important enough to discuss" posts.

Both of our posts are part of the thread, but neither are part of the discussion of the topic. The same can be said for those who posted a reply to your post.

[MineralMan]

45. Here's the deal, as I see it. An OP is posted by a DU

member. When that happens, other DU members can post replies and, in turn DU members may post replies to those replies. Unless I am mistaken, that's the way this forum operates.

What MineralMan says is nothing more than what I think. It compels nobody. It should affect nobody. It is simply an opinion.

You don't like my opinion, and you posted that you did not. You don't find it relevant to the thread. That is your opinion and your post.

You see, but you apparently don't understand that your post and mine are precisely equal in their impact, which is virtually none. You post. I post. And the beat goes on. I have no idea who you are, so I take your words for your words. You can discover who I am, if you wish.

I will continue to post here as I please. I break no rules. If I overstep, the post will be deleted, as a few of my posts have been. Neither you nor I run this forum. We're just participants. As such, we have equal opportunities and abilities to post to threads. It's inappropriate to suggest that my post is an improper post. It was to the subject of the thread. It was an opinion. This is a discussion forum.

I wish you a good day.

[Th1onein]

46. i'm well aware of how the forum works, Mineralman.....

what I am curious about is the motivation of someone who posts a response to an OP that the discussion is not worth discussing. What is the point? To shut down the discussion? To denigrate the OP? What?

[MineralMan]

47. I posted that I did not think the topic was worth further discussion.

That was my opinion. I can't shut down any discussion. I'm not a moderator, nor do I want to be one. I commented on the use of ALL CAPS in the OP because I find such usage to be a marker for hysterical positions.

Why do you care about my reasons for posting in a thread? Of what import is that to you? Have I somehow offended you in some way in some other thread? I don't recognize your screen name, but I suppose it is possible that I have interacted with you in some way.

In any case, I may post in the threads I want to post in, as long as I observe the rules of DU. There it is. You may do the same. As far as I'm concerned that is the end of this interchange.

[Th1onein]

55. I know what you posted.

I just didn't see the point of it. And what I do see here, a lot, is people using snide remarks, etc., to shut down discussions whose topic they don't deem "worthy." I've seen a lot of threads degenerate in that way, and get locked.

I doubt, after this interchange, though, that that was your purpose. Sorry if I offended you in any way.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

35. I can't understand why

anyone would give this any rec's

[JonQ]

24. Does it really matter?

Who cares.

[MineralMan]

25. No, it doesn't matter. There's plenty of stuff that does, though.

Maybe we should discuss that stuff. You think?

[JonQ]

26. Nah, let's keep this lady in the limelight

stretch out that 15 minutes of fame a bit longer.

[Contrary1]

27. Stop the Presses!!! It was not a sex tape according to Prejean:

"Former Miss California Carrie Prejean on Tuesday defended a recently surfaced erotic video of her as a youthful indiscretion and questioned whether it could actually be called a “sex tape” since no one else appears in it.

“It was me by myself. There was no one else with me. I was not having sex,”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33823079/ns/today-today_people/

:popcorn: So there you go. That opens the discussion up for a lot of speculation. What else would not be considered a sex tape?

[WonderGrunion]

32. So it was a non-sexual orgasmic experience?

Idle hands are the devil's playground.

And Carrie Prejean's Kooch.

[robinlynne]

36. ask the big dog.

[blogslut]

40. She's an idiot and a liar

If she showed her genitalia on film, it's a sex tape.

[Joe Bacon]

28. I can't jerk off to a jerk...

:rofl:

[EOTE]

31. Then you, sir, have higher standards than I do. NT

[KansDem]

29. Actually, she claims she made the tape WITH an ex-boyfriend, not for...

I don't know if that's true or not, but just imagine if she made it for him.

Hi, Honey! Guess what I made for you last week!
Couldn't begin to guess, Sweetie! Let's say "you made me a scarf?"
No
"Apple pie?"
No
"A wall decoration?"
No
Uhhhh...I give up, Snookums
Here...!
...oh

[LanternWaste]

33. Since I don't pretend to be clever...

Since I don't pretend to be clever, I certainly won't pretend to know. When the day comes that the totality of my person is judged on a handful of specific events, I guess I'll be judged harshly also-- as would we all.

Anyways, since a lot of other people are very good at pretending to be both clever and possessing an absolute knowledge, I'll let them play with the ball. Granted, most of those who are in fact very good at pretending are on A.M. talk radio stations, but it appears we have a few here also.

[mikeSchmuckabee]

37. I hear she and Bristol Palin have a mud-wrestling video

You go girls.

Keep up the republican role model behavior. You know, look like a dumbass, then blame the camera.

[olegramps]

44. I heard that see is going to star in a new Lassie film.

[lib2DaBone]

50. Did she pay back the money for her breast augmentation?

You know.. that is not allowed under the Republican Health Care Bill.

Well , maybe it is. No money for children health care.. but if Ann Coulture needs a boob job.. she's entitles to it... what the heck..

[riderinthestorm]

51. She's a Laura Schlessinger, "Dr Laura" (cough) in-the-making.

Just wait for her to take over some shitty media spot hypocritically spouting ridiculous shit. She appears primed to be groomed for some bullshit blowhard Christianist spotlight soon.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

53. I would bet it was an "audition tape"

[depakid]

54. Just being groomed for a career with Fox "news."

[madinmaryland]

56. Belicheck video taped this?

:hide:

[joeybee12]

59. You can't help yourself can you?

Actually, I worry Michael Phelps taped it!!!!!

[madinmaryland]

60. I think Phelps was too stoned to video tape anything!

[joeybee12]

62. Yeah, saw something about him bombing out in the worlds...

...too much money, too much partying.

[Javaman]

58. one thing to remember about pageant contestants...

they will do anything to win. And they will do anything to deflect blame on them, because that will prevent them from winning.

Now that she has lost, she's still on the "don't blame me" bus tour, because her loverly parents didn't teach her any better, nor gave her any coping skills.

ahhh those republican values.

[spanone]

61. her 15 minutes are just about to expire

[joeybee12]

63. Well, she's had the longest 15 minutes in history!!!! n/t

[blues90]

64. Who cares , I don't even know who she is

Does it even matter the way thing s all around us are so screwed up?