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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 10:34 AM Original message |
Let's Call It What It Is: Privatization, Not Education Reform |
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Lifelong Protester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. With ya there, Bro. or Sis. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Sis, And Thanks : ) |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
2. K&R |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
3. This can be reconstituted by a new governor, right? |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
4. The same can be said about this "healthcare reform" BS on Capitol Hill |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
5. I believe Obama went on record as being against vouchers, etc. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Yes he Will |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Wrong. Arne IS doing it through his "Race to the Top" scheme |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. He already is. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. and what would you propose? |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. So you think Arne should privatize them |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Yeah, that's what I'm all about. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. you know, you are dealing in stereotypes here. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Well, wait a minute. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. sorry, slightly muddy writing on my part. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
65. Some of our classes have 40 kids |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 09:15 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. True Words |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. whatever it is like where you are- |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-21-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. I believe the evidence of charter schools |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
59. "failing schools" - lol. no child left turns every school into a "failing" school. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Touché Hannah |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. pithy but meaningless |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. not meaningless at all. nclb is designed to ensure that an ever-increasing proportion of schools |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. yeah, i am well aware of nclb |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-21-09 07:46 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. pure bullshit. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-21-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. +1 |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
6. what a collosal screw up... |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
7. And lets call our current system what it is as well in many locations = crap |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. And Why Is That? Unions? Teachers? |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. details, please |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. It is by design, by the way, thanks to privatization |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
11. Say you were in charge of an unlimited public education budget |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. tests, test prep, and administrators and their luncheons |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Lawyers, lawyers, and administrator salaries and perks |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. + 1 |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Thanks for the answer |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. You are correct. Teachers, once considered professionals, are having their work |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. That is what the teachers I came in contact with in WA state told me |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Any standardized or criterion referenced test is going to fail |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I appreciate the insight |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. The math tests are not about doing lots of problems - |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. So the math score is dependent on the child's reading level. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. AND writing. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. A child's ability to actually utilize math skills |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. These things: |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. What Donco Said |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #16 |
25. with you on all but the textbooks. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Our School District Is Going Paperless |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Sure. I wasn't thinking big enough. |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #25 |
38. New textbook adoption is a major corporate scam. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Well, maybe, but I'll tell ya - |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. My garage is full of discarded textbooks. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. We sell ours to charters (when we have any to sell) |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. they are so f'ing expensive. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Oh yes. |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #16 |
27. I'm enjoying these thoughtful answers |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
23. Think Dubya's "Social Security Reform"...'nuff said. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Good Analogy |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
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EndersDame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
43. I have my high school diploma thanks to a charter school |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. I have no problem with the charters serving at-risk kids. |
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EndersDame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I think that with all of the adminstrators and bureaucracy it is almost impossible to have an |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Well, maybe it's because we're small. |
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EndersDame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. That is good! |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
44. Only the rich deserve an education... |
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murdoch (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. This is going to be the medium-term future |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Exactly! |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
56. That's the ultimate goal. The masses are supposed to serve their "betters." n/t |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Bingo... |
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66. K&R |
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