David Huckabee hung a dog, slit it's throat and stoned it to death

[RamboLiberal]

back when he was an 18 year old Boy Scout counselor. Google it - even Faux news reports it happened. Apparently his father Mike tried to claim the charges were all political. What is with these sick Repukes? Now of course he's charged with trying to carry a Glock handgun on to a plane. Gets off with a slap on the wrist. At least Arkansas residents can rest easy that this sicko cannot legally carry a handgun till 2012 since his CCW will be suspended till then.

Two boy scout counselors, 17 year old Clayton Frady and 18 year old David litickabee, the son of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, have admitted to catching a stray dog during their summer session at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, AR, and hanging the dog by his neck, slitting his throat and stoning him to death.

Camp officials, who did not report the crime to law enforcement officials, have admitted that the act did occur and have fired the boys from their positions. However, no charges have been filed against the young men.

http://www.utopiarescue.com/oldsite/stop_animal_torture.htm

on edit don't know if only a typo on animal cruelty website - but here is blurb from reputable news site.

In 1998, Huckabee was among two boys fired from a Boy Scout camp after a stray dog was killed after wandering onto camp property. Huckabee, 17 at the time, said the dog appeared ill; no charges were filed. The elder Huckabee said then that politics was behind the dog-killing accusation.

http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2007/04/27/news/042707arhucksonarrest.txt

[TwilightGardener]

1. Oh...my...God--dude should be LOCKED UP--what a sick fuck!!!

[Philosoraptor]

2. Family Values.

[Kolesar]

Morals--the Republicans run on "moral issues"

Well, at least the ones that they can exploit.

[Benhurst]

10. He and Dubya Bush would have had such fun if they had grown up together.

Even young psychopaths need friends.

[TwilightGardener]

3. Why is the name in the article "David Litickabee"--sure it's the same guy?

[KansDem]

7. Good point...

Until this is cleared up, we should back off. :thumbsup:

[AllegroRondo]

15. it clearly says hes the Governor's son

looks good to me, probably a typo.

[eppur_se_muova]

37. Looks like someone used optical scan to input the text ...

should have corrected it, to prevent uncertainty and confusion.


("liti" and "Hu" both have four vertical strokes, and if the horizontal stokes (bridge of H, bottom of u) didn't scan clearly, the OCR software could return "liti".)

[ReadTomPaine]

47. I agree, it looks like an OCR recognition error to me as well. n/t

[Beausoir]

4. That is beyond the limits of civilisation. That man needs to be watched like a hawk.

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. When did this happen?

Isn't it illegal for the camp to not report it?

[Wickerman]

6. Well, look for him to run for President on the Rethug ticket

http://www.all-creatures.org/aip/nl-3nov2000-frogs.html

MIDLAND, Texas ANIMAL PEOPLE, July/August 2000

An alert for American voters and humane educators everywhere appeared on May 21 in the 61st through 64th paragraphs of a 76-paragraph NEW YORK TIMES feature on the childhood of Republican candidate for U.S. president George W. Bush -- if anyone noticed.

«One of the local rituals for children,» reported Nicholas D. Kristof of Life in Midland, Texas, when George W. was a boy, «were meetings with cookies and milk at the home of a nice old lady who represented the SPCA. The cookies were digested more thoroughly than the teachings.»

«`We were terrible to animals,' recalled Throckmorton, laughing. A dip behind the Bush borne turned into a small lake after a good rain, and thousands of frogs would come out. `Everybody would get BB guns and shoot them,' Throckmorton said. `Or we'd put firecrackers in the frogs and throw them and blow them up.'»

[TwilightGardener]

11. Yep, sounds like our Chimpy--now he gets to blow up people instead of frogs...

[geardaddy]

19. Yep, the original Beavis or Butthead

[Wickerman]

21. Geardaddy?

Fan of the Austin/Minneapolis-based band?

edit, I know, they more likely called Austin home.

[geardaddy]

25. Indeed!

Yep, big fan of Martin Zellar and the Geardaddies.

[Wickerman]

30. very cool

Always enjoyed them, these days I'm liking Bill Dankert's output. :thumbsup:

[Coventina]

8. That guy needs to be locked up the rest of his life.

Having successfully tortured a dog to death, he'll next move to a helpless human. Maybe a homeless person or a child.

And he will keep murdering animals.

[Sequoia]

9. Heartbreaking.

That guy is physco. He'll go on a rampage one day. I'd check into unsolved murders. He even looks like a physco.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

12. too bad it's the honeybees that are disappearing and not the huckabees

[NoPasaran]

14. LOL!

Good one!
:rofl:

[Rosemary2205]

13. This totally out of bounds IMHO

IMHO the only point of the post like this is to somehow show Mike Huckabee is an unfit parent who cannot be trusted with the nation because of his kid turned out. As a former foster parent, I can tell you that kids don't ALWAYS refect their parents' skills. Sometimes kids turn out to be really incredible kids and they had shitty parents. Sometimes a kid grows up to be a psycho and had loving good parents.

Now if it can actually be proven that Mike Huckabee used his influence to squash formal animal cruelty charges to his son then that is fair game, because it shows what Huckabee is likely to do should someone in his admin screw up.

[TwilightGardener]

17. No, it's only out of bounds if the story isn't true--family is part of

what we size up when we consider a candidate for the highest office, and it is completely understandable and fair to be leery of a candidate whose son seems to obviously have severe sociopathic tendencies.

[Rosemary2205]

20. Understood

I appreciate the fact some might want this kind of information to make a choice on whether or not to vote for Huckabee, though I certainly hope it would not be someone who frequents this board. I just hope those that feel this information is useful keep in mind my comments about kids not always reflecting their parents before they toss their Huckabee vote to the wind.

[RamboLiberal]

23. Huckabee's kid put himself in the news yesterday

When he got caught on a gun charge. If he has a background so be it.

I pssted the story cause we all know whatever a Dem's kid does as a kid or an adult will certainly be posted on Freeper sites as proof of their lack of family values. Did Freeper's back away from Gore's kid's driving bust?

Does it reflect on Mike Huckabee's qualifications to be president, probably not. But it is the Repukes who run on gun rights and family values issues after all.

[sinkingfeeling]

27. Animal cruelty of any kind remains a misdemeanor in Arkansas. Taking extreme

animal cruelty to felony charges was just defeated yet again.

[Coventina]

34. I understand your point, but I completely disagree

Cruelty like that is absolutely unacceptable.

If a politician has a child that screwed up, he or she needs to not hold public office. Their duty is to get their child help. And it needs to be a full-time job until that child is either a) healthy or b) permanently incarcerated.

Also, it is possible for excellent parents to turn out monsters, but usually that is not the case. USUALLY there is a history of abuse or neglect or both. Candidates and politicians who have produced monsters do deserve extra scrutineering.

[The Count]

16. That would be implied in his being a proud freeper...he is, ys know?

[Zywiec]

18. Umm, don't most mass murderers start out abusing animals

This is really sick. If this were my child, I would take him straight to the shrink. There is obviously something wrong with him.

[slampoet]

22. Animal abuse is a sign of Child Molestation or Abuse.

The Governor would get a call from Child services in any state he didn't run.

[Cha]

50. Or a sicko,

sociopathichimp, mofo president(sic).

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. Another Jeffrey Dahmer in the making. Dahmer use to kill animals for the hell of it too.

Damn. The guy is OBVIOUSLY mentally ill. Why is he not in therapy?

[suziedemocrat]

40. Oh Yeah - isn't that one of the main signs the FBI looks for when they profile serial killers?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

26. His picture was disturbing, now it is terrifying.

Sick sick sick individual. Ugggg..... x(

[Maru Kitteh]

28. Sick fucking son of a bastard should be LOCKED UP

NO CHARGES WERE FILED????

SICK little bastard need to be removed from society until he can receive INTENSIVE THERAPY. It's the only hope he has.

Puke puke puke puke puke.

People wonder why I often prefer other animals before human animals. Most other animals don't do this kind of shit FOR "FUN".

[vickitulsa]

44. I'm with you, Veganistan! It is extremely rare for the "lower animals"

to deliberately torment or torture other living creatures purely for "sport."

Recently on the new Discovery Channel series, "Planet Earth," or perhaps it was the previous one, "Blue Planet," I was shocked and horrified to see adult orca whales (I dislike even describing this) deliberately tossing a young seal pup back and forth, while it was still alive but injured, for no reason scientists could understand, according to the narration. For thirty minutes, they did this.


Such behavior is SO rare among mammals or other animals that we find it quite stunning to hear about even one incident like this. The narrator even said that it was rare -- the "first time" such a scene had been filmed, as far as they knew.

Animal cruelty has been a major red flag for many years now, warning of worse behavior ahead in humans who perpetrate the assaults. It can begin in very minor ways but virtually always escalates in children who are growing into sociopaths or psychopaths. IIRC, Jeffrey Dahmer not only harmed or killed small animals as a child, but his early interest in dismembering bodies "to see what is inside" began with his discovery of a skeletal corpse of a dog or some wild creature. He carefully gathered the bones to the last tiny one in a bucket, took them home and hid them (I think in a garage or crawl space), and then sneaked in repeatedly to handle and examine them.


I almost couldn't open this thread because the title alone was so horrifying -- I have little stomach for ANY cruelty to ANY living being. But I figured I'd already seen the worst by reading the OP's title, and I feel it is a very important topic that must be faced, not buried!

One poster said Huckabee Sr. might not be responsible for his son's sick behavior and should not be pre-judged, to be fair. I understand her point that children do not always reflect their upbringing and their parents' values and behavior. From what I recall of some well-known cases, however, when investigators dug deep enough, they indeed found disturbing behavior in the offenders somewhere, and also found problems in the family and the perp's rearing.

In the first hours of reportage of the VA Tech killings this month, most "sources" said that Cho was not known to be dangerous. Didn't take long, however, for them to turn up well-documented information to the contrary.

I think that was a classic example of how parents, families, friends, acquaintances, teachers, classmates, roommates and the broader community -- and even counselors, therapists, and those in the criminal justice system! -- can and often do turn a blind eye to warning signs that should evoke immediate action.

Shortcomings in the culture's laws and mental health care institutions unfortunately leave the bulk of the responsibility for a child on the parents and immediate family. Like it or not, agree with it or not, deserved or not, the parents are where the buck stops -- that is, if the child had parents who raised him.

But also there is the point I didn't see mentioned that this Huckabee son might, for all we know, consider becoming a candidate for office himself. Or perhaps he would seek some other position of trust in his community. The public certainly should be made aware of his childhood history of animal cruelty if this were potentially the case!

Possibly, even if he were simply living (mostly quietly) among other people, those others should be alerted to the danger he poses to them and their children -- and dogs or cats!

Hell, he was a legal adult when he tortured that dog! His friend laughed when he told the story of their brutalizing and killing the poor dog, according to that report. I'm sure Georgie laughed when he blew up frogs for fun, too!

I'm like you, Veganistan. People sometimes wonder about me a bit, that I may seem to care more for "lower" animals than for humans. To me, it's pretty much a simple equation: the more helpless the victim of cruelty is, the more angry I get at the perpetrator, the more outraged I feel by the horror.

Torture and murder simply should not be "fun"! To anyone! Imo, only sick, screwed-up individuals could enjoy being cruel to other living beings.

Ideally, such people should be closely watched as children once the first signs of aberrant, cruel behavior emerge, and then not allowed to "fall through the cracks" thereafter.

Imagine how different things might have been if Dahmer's mom or dad (or anyone else who knew him) had been concerned about Jeff's "odd" behavior and intervened with therapy and guidance for him -- and control if necessary!

Until we as a culture decide to do the right thing when it comes to people who engage in cruelty to animals, we will continue to pay the price. It is a very high price, indeed.

As far as I'm concerned, we should shine a very bright light on those who cross the line into cruelty -- especially to assaults on the helpless or weak among us, human or not. We've allowed such behavior to remain hidden in the dark for far too long, and look where it's got us!


:rant: End of rant. Sorry, but I get so furious about this sort of thing!

[BlooInBloo]

51. Yah - they just eat each other alive.

[kestrel91316]

29. Hmmmm..................apple don't fall far from the tree. Makes one wonder......

[valerief]

31. Yeah, but, but Alec Baldwin YELLED at his daughter. nt

[BlooInBloo]

32. Aw c'mon guys! republicans deserve to eat too!

[wicket]

33. Effing sick!!!!

:grr: :grr:

[jollyreaper2112]

35. oh, come on

Boys will be boys. Nothing to see here. I mean, who here hasn't killed stray animals in a sadistic, brutal fashion? And those charges of date rape, I can't see how you can hold that against such a fine upstanding young man. If a guy asks a girl out and she accepts, she obviously knows what's coming. And you can't even prove that really was something special he put in her drink, it could have just been organic soap. And I can't believe you're saying he got special treatment just because he's been caught on several DUI's but no tickets have ever been written. Are you saying you're against cops showing some understanding in unfortunate circumstances?

BUT OH MY GOD DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THAT NEGRO WHO LOOKED AT THE WHITE WOMAN?! Holy shit, I think this is cause for a lynching. I bet he's even a democrat, too.

[Hidden Stillness]

36. What a Horror, and They Still Do Not Enforce Cruelty Laws

This is not only outrageous but scary, and because the cruelty was so prolonged, even as the animal suffered and must have cried, on and on, it is a real indicator of a complete lack of conscience, and an enjoyment of inflicting pain, with the intent to murder. This reminds me of the great statement by the late anthropologist Margaret Mead, that the worst thing that can happen to a child who has committed cruelty against an animal is to get away with it; because then they will learn the lesson that the animal is worthless, and that there are no consequences, and because nothing of the escalating pattern will be stopped. I thought it was now the law that you have to report this kind of act, because it is so threatening, and such a predictor. What a horror that dog had to suffer, and they still do not enforce these things. Just think, with this one story alone, of all the accomplices to this cruelty.

[displacedtexan]

38. Unfortunately, Arkansas laws use the modal aux. "May"...

... as in "may" be charged with a misdemeanor
and "may" be required to undergo psychiatric evaluation.

http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stusarst5_62_101.htm#top

I'm sure the laws "may" depend on who your daddy is, too.

[kitkat65]

39. Isn't torturing and killing animals part of some serial killers' developing pathologies?

And these kind of acts get more egregious as the pathology develops?

What causes this kind of behavior and how do you even begin to "fix" people like that?

It's a stumper but if all is true, this kid needs some serious help.

[live love laugh]

41. Looks like he's well on the way to making a name for himself. n/t

:sarcasm:

[sandnsea]

42. Huckabee, re-elected in 2002

Maybe they didn't know about this when they elected him in 1998. But people had to know by 2002, and elected this guy anyway.

This would completely destroy the lives of most people. I don't understand how people ignore these kinds of things just because it happens in the homes of the "upper crust". It isn't just politicians either. I just don't get it.

[The Backlash Cometh]

43. Deplorable. And you wonder why they grow up feeling so entitled.

[bigwillq]

45. Just awful.

:mad:

[Virginia Dare]

46. WTF????

what a sadistic evil piece of filth.

[mitchtv]

48. anyone know how to contact Bill Maher?

this thread is right up his alley

[Rosa Luxemburg]

49. That how the fascists train their sons

[undergroundpanther]

52. Republicans are psychopaths

most of them.Frist kills cats .Sex with pages.Long forgotten Funeral home scandals(Bush).
Wake folks republican is the psychopath and pervert party.Thier values reflect thier moral decrepit ways

[pitohui]

53. it's okay if you're a republican EOM

.

[Coventina]

54. kick

:kick:

[fujiyama]

55. Animal sacrifices should come as no surprise

consider they've been practicing human sacrifice the last several years.

[MN ChimpH8R]

56. Sick, sick sick

:cry:

Guess Huckabee did a great job instilling Repig family values in his twisted fuck of a son.

[malaise]

57. I saw his photo yesterday and thought

something's wrong with this young man.

[Geek_Girl]

58. He looks like a serial killer

nt

[Coventina]

59. kick

:kick: