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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 01:48 PM Original message |
Soda Consumption vs. Diabetes map |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's almost as if sugar consumption is somehow correlated with diabetes. |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. It's the corn HiFructosePronSyrup that they use. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. It would be cool to compare U.S. data with those in other countries without high HFCS... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
68. Diabetes is the leading cause of death in Mexico |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 02:46 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. And Mexico has been forced by the WTO to lift tariffs on non cane sugar soft drinks... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. it wasn't actually about importing soft drinks, but rather the HFCS itself |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. But now soft drinks in Mexico with HFCS don't have a tariff imposed on them, making them cheaper... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. the markup on Mexican Coke in markets here in the U.S. is a function of distribution, not production |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 05:46 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. If sugar cane soft drinks could compete, then why would Mexico need tariffs? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I don't think I implied what you're saying I did |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Because sucrose doesn't cause diabetes. |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. Fructose is the bad sugar. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. You know, I bet a map like this could correlate diabetes with scientific illiteracy. |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. I'd tend to agree on that. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #28 |
52. You could map rates of most cancers in Utah versus say, Nevada |
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PSzymeczek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
67. The naturally occurring fructose |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. Exactly. |
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
34. And, the fatback... |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. Wow. Now that is a telling map. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. Just about a mirror image. |
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
44. Not really. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
65. The question is "What is the pop washing down?" |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
3. That is wicked cool! |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
5. it's as if people don't realize there's sugar-free soda available |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I believe aspartame increases the appetite (when it isn't causing migraines). |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. I gave up all diet sodas (all soda) a few years ago... |
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cutlassmama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
61. ditto n/t |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
71. Aspertame makes me crave carbs. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. diet pop just makes me want more pop ... it does nothing to satisfy a sugar craving |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. HFCS is also said to be more addictive than regular sugar too... |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. yup. and i can definitely taste the difference in the HFCS pop vs. same brand with real sugar. n/t |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
8. Notice the Navajo/Hopi rez in AZ |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Not just sodas put in HFCS. You get in cereals and many other products too... |
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SalviaBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Thankfully, word is getting out that people do not want HFCS. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Diabetes coincides with the intense adoption of processed food |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
11. Striking how comparatively low soda consumption is in the west |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
12. High fructose corn syrup is used in most soda |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. These maps are simply ecologic associations, not epidemiologic, however |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Yes, just input for hypothesis generation |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. HFCS is not comparable to fructose in fruit... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Yeah, it is. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. No, not true |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Deleted message |
Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #39 |
60. A fructose molecule is a fructose molecule is a fructose molecule |
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JackintheGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. But the corn lobby says! n/t |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. What makes them money, as you know. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
41. Corn subsidies are also motivated by helping produce cheap labor... |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
23. some glaring anomalies |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I've answered to this seeming contradiction in my upstream posts... |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I was preparing that post as you posted the answer to it |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. The correlation with soda intake isn't there.. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. I agree with your point, I just think the evidence presented is weak |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. that is the point in these kind of trend correlations (ecologic studies) |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. so are many other populations. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. yes.... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. it's because soda consumption *doesn't* cause the rise in diabetes. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Diabetes mellitus is clearly multi-factorial in cause.. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. hfcs = non-significant red herring. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Not the case. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. MS Nutrition. I know the research & it doesn't show what you presume. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. In fact it does... other leading areas of research |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. In fact, it doesn't. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Very simplistic analysis of a multi-factorial issue |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Studies of hfcs metabolism (the main evidence for association of hfcs & dm) also "simplistic" |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Apple cart before the horse.. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Yes, obesity is associated with DM. However, rising obesity rates preceded |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I am going to give it one last shot, then i have to go |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Everything is "multi-factorial". This general truth lends *no* support for the proposition |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. I appreciate that you are uncompromising in your beliefs |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. um. if i'm "uncompromising," you are equally so. but of course, labeling one's debating partner |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
25. knr |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
36. it doesn't really show any massive correlation. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:28 PM Original message |
Wow this totally blew me away. |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
42. Look at both maps and then explain south east Wisconsin |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
64. Compelling correlation here. Great post! -nt |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
66. interesting |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
76. Clearly soft drinks are not healthy.. |
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