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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 01:51 PM Original message |
Is it all the Boomers' fault? |
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leftstreet
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Thu Feb-18-10 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. ... |
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SoCalDem
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Thu Feb-18-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. May I join you? I brought extra popcorn.. |
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Mari333
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. woot! I brought TEQUILA |
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leftstreet
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. That's not nearly enough |
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Thu Feb-18-10 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. I didn't post this one - I SWEAR! |
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AngryAmish
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Thu Feb-18-10 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. Yes. |
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Joanne98
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Thu Feb-18-10 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
4. NO! That's divide and conquer ....... |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. That was the concern I was trying to express |
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hlthe2b
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Thu Feb-18-10 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
6. Bored and ready for another flamewar? |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
45. I was hoping their was some potential for a serious discussion |
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hlthe2b
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #45 |
60. Serious discussion lumping persons born over an 18 year period |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
81. Believe me, I'm not angry. |
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hlthe2b
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Thu Feb-18-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. How, though can you not expect the reaction? |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. I'm told all the time that I'm too much of a scientist. |
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omega minimo
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Fri Feb-19-10 03:31 AM Response to Reply #84 |
124. the previous reply was enough, with revelation of deployment, to forestall your arrogant ignorance |
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ChiciB1
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Fri Feb-19-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #45 |
135. Sooooooooooooo... Let Me Just Say THIS! I'm A BOOMER... Never One Who |
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Goldstein1984
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Fri Feb-19-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #135 |
142. That "throw-away society" has a root cause... |
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Oregone
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Thu Feb-18-10 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
7. Sure. |
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Romulox
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Thu Feb-18-10 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
8. Boomers cannot be the only generation not to share in the suffering. I'm sorry. |
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Warpy
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Liberals went out of power in 1969 |
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Romulox
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. I'm not talking about "blame", just reality. The pie is smaller now. I'm sorry. |
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Warpy
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. The pie is the same damn size it always was |
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Romulox
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. No, the part that is shared by regular people is much, much smaller. nt |
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Warpy
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. RTDP |
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Romulox
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. You're making a "should" sort of argument. I'm not arguing what "should" have happened to SS |
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Warpy
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Thu Feb-18-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #47 |
82. RTDP |
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Romulox
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Thu Feb-18-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #82 |
95. This thread is about Social Security. I won't apologize for mentioning it in my post. |
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mbperrin
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Fri Feb-19-10 01:08 AM Response to Reply #47 |
119. Boomers had the withholding for SS doubled in 1981. There is currently |
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Romulox
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Fri Feb-19-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #119 |
134. The money is gone. How many times can it be said? It's gone. |
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mbperrin
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Fri Feb-19-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #134 |
140. It's not gone. It's US Treasury Bonds, and if ours are gone, so are the |
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Romulox
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Fri Feb-19-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #140 |
154. A US Treasury bond is evidence of a DEBT--it's not money. |
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mbperrin
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Fri Feb-19-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #154 |
155. A debt IS an asset to the lender. I worked 20 years in banks. |
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Romulox
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Fri Feb-19-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. The lender is the US taxpayer. The debtor is the US taxpayer. |
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mbperrin
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Sat Feb-20-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #156 |
160. The US Government is the debtor. The owners of the bonds are the lenders. |
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Romulox
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Sun Feb-21-10 01:37 AM Response to Reply #160 |
164. The US government's only source of income is the US taxpayer. Yours is a fairy-tale economics |
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mbperrin
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Sun Feb-21-10 02:17 AM Response to Reply #164 |
165. Here's the actual facts. BTW, borrowing is not income. |
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Romulox
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Sun Feb-21-10 02:23 AM Response to Reply #165 |
167. And debt isn't money, which brings us neatly back to the beginning. |
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mbperrin
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Sun Feb-21-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #167 |
169. Repeated ad homs betray insecurity. |
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Romulox
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Mon Feb-22-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #169 |
171. I STRONGLY support higher taxes on the rich. But debt still isn't money (or wealth) |
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mbperrin
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Mon Feb-22-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #171 |
172. Actually, money IS debt. |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
91. I understand the economic, social and political situation very well |
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laughingliberal
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:25 AM Response to Reply #25 |
109. Correct again. You're good, you! nt |
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JDPriestly
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Thu Feb-18-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
79. You pay for your parents one way or the other. |
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Romulox
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Thu Feb-18-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #79 |
96. No, you can't be legally made responsible for your parents. Not in the USA. |
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omega minimo
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Fri Feb-19-10 03:39 AM Response to Reply #96 |
125. No you're a "bad guy" for claiming to see clearly while looking through the pocket protector |
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ChiciB1
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Fri Feb-19-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #96 |
136. As One Who Just Spent TEN YEARS Caring For My Mother-In-Law |
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yellerpup
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Thu Feb-18-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
102. Right on, sister! |
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laughingliberal
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #17 |
107. +1000 nt |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
9. THIS ISN'T FOR A FLAME WAR |
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virgogal
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Thu Feb-18-10 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
10. Yes, I'm older than the Boomers and saw them go from activism to materialism |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
58. A friend of mine, also older than the boomers... |
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mochajava666
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Thu Feb-18-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #58 |
90. I think your friend has a point |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. I think the Boomer generation is like any other |
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mochajava666
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Thu Feb-18-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. Dusty and W. are good examples of the extremes. |
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Goldstein1984
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:13 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. That's a good assessment... |
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EmeraldCityGrl
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Sun Feb-21-10 03:26 AM Response to Reply #90 |
168. +1000 |
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ChiciB1
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Fri Feb-19-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #58 |
137. Oh, HOW I Agree With You... I Lived At Ft. Hood, Texas when Things Were |
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Goldstein1984
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #137 |
143. I think I understand the fear, I just believe we have to act in defiance of it |
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ChiciB1
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. Your Last Statement Is One That I Agree With... I Have MORE To Say... |
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Blue-Jay
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
11. Yes. |
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NoNothing
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
12. What Boomers did |
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leftofcool
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
13. How is my retirement a burden to you? |
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Romulox
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. All benefits are paid out of current workers payroll deduction. |
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leftofcool
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Does not matter, I still paid |
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Romulox
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. At some point, reality has to be a factor. The money is gone. New taxes are the only source |
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EFerrari
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. The reality is, the feds owe that worker. Their bad management |
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Romulox
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. "the feds" get their money from US taxpayers. There is no third party from which to collect. |
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EFerrari
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Because cutting a bloated Pentagon budget that we don't need |
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Romulox
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Listen, I would cut there first too, if I had my way. No lie. nt |
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EFerrari
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Thu Feb-18-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #50 |
88. If we weren't so busy trying to keep body and soul together, |
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laughingliberal
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #33 |
111. Payroll taxes were raised to cover the shortfall in income taxes caused by tax cuts for the wealthy |
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Romulox
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Fri Feb-19-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #111 |
132. I'd love to raise taxes on the wealthy. How do we convince an admin |
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laughingliberal
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #132 |
149. I don't know how we convince our elected officials of anything |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Absolutely true |
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EFerrari
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. I went into the job market after pensions had become a nice idea. |
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leftofcool
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. They always have been |
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EFerrari
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
72. Yep. That fight is never over. n/t |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:32 PM Original message |
American workers are treated like what they are... |
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EFerrari
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
71. Yes, you're right about public employees. It's very odd. n/t |
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Romulox
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
54. My mother's husband's co. went into BK, it's PARENT co. bought the assets of the company |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #54 |
98. That scenario is happening everywhere with private pensions |
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leftofcool
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
48. New funds could be created from what the Pentagon gets |
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Romulox
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Cool. Let's do it! |
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leftofcool
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I'm game! |
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JDPriestly
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Thu Feb-18-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #20 |
80. We paid for our parents. You have to pay for yours. |
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Romulox
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Thu Feb-18-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
94. You're wrong. Nobody "has to", and it's a question of "can we?" at this point. |
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omega minimo
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Fri Feb-19-10 03:46 AM Response to Reply #20 |
127. Boomers paid TWICE for past and future in the 80's |
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SammyWinstonJack
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Fri Feb-19-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #127 |
139. How come NO ONE will acknowledge that little fact? |
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omega minimo
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Fri Feb-19-10 10:48 PM Response to Reply #139 |
157. Because they don't know they've been brainwashed by Reagonites and Limbot |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. I wasn't arguing that it was a burden for me... |
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leftofcool
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. DU a non emotional discussion? Naw! |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
100. I recognize the folly of my plan now |
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laughingliberal
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:37 AM Response to Reply #26 |
112. I'm so sick of the divide and conquer tactics of the ruling class |
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wryter2000
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
32. And, I might add |
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leftofcool
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
53. Good point |
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laughingliberal
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:39 AM Response to Reply #32 |
113. Don't forget the increased payroll taxes started under Reagan and were how they financed tax cuts |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
14. It is the Greatest Generation's fault. nt |
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Demobrat
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
15. It's not the boomer's fault there are so many of them. |
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Jennicut
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
34. Yes, you guys had to practice birth control didn't you? We Gen Xers barely make a dent. |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
64. Yep - |
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Demobrat
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Thu Feb-18-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
87. You really lucked out. |
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old mark
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
18. I rec'd this, but it's still unrec'd. As a boomer who retired early to claim more than |
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leftofcool
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. +1 |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. I was hoping for a civil discussion of a legitimate and... |
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Romulox
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
35. Chillingly honest, this post will undoubtedly be played off as a "joke" if pressed... |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
70. As I wrote, I'm just over the peak of the Boomers |
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EFerrari
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
28. Yes. We didn't buy the media. We screwed up. n/t |
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wryter2000
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
36. Sorry |
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Romulox
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I'd go so far to say that "fault" is a red herring at this point. |
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wryter2000
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Thu Feb-18-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
92. Excuse me, but no |
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Romulox
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Thu Feb-18-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Reality time: there is no trust fund. A decision will have to be made or there won't be any checks |
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wryter2000
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Thu Feb-18-10 09:27 PM Response to Reply #93 |
105. Get rid of the cap |
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Romulox
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Fri Feb-19-10 09:36 AM Response to Reply #105 |
131. I agree with removing the cap. But not many Dems in power seem to... |
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Fri Feb-19-10 04:33 AM Response to Reply #92 |
129. Well said, pal, well said! NT |
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laughingliberal
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:54 AM Response to Reply #36 |
115. +1000 nt |
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SidDithers
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
37. Are Boomers the same as Duck and Cover kids?... |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. They would be the same |
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Blue_In_AK
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
41. It's the job of young people |
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leftofcool
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
57. We are the people our parents warned us about? |
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Mari333
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. HEY I HAVENT TRUSTED MYSELF SINCE I WAS 30 |
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leftofcool
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. You too? |
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Mari333
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. yes, it is time to write my obit |
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leftofcool
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. 64 seemed old when I was 20. Now, I feel like a spring chicken |
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Mari333
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. no kidding! me either. 20's were, as my son calls them "a clusterfck" |
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Blue_In_AK
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Thu Feb-18-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. Me either. |
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ChiciB1
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Fri Feb-19-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #59 |
138. I LOVE THAT! And I RESEMBLE THAT!! My Daughter Got All Ga-Ga |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
62. Personally, I also take it with a grain of salt... |
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Blue_In_AK
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #62 |
74. This issue comes up here all the time, |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. I'm afraid the last time citizens demanded that moneyed |
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laughingliberal
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Fri Feb-19-10 01:01 AM Response to Reply #77 |
116. I think the assassination of our leaders took a lot of the wind out of our sails |
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Goldstein1984
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Fri Feb-19-10 08:27 AM Response to Reply #116 |
130. Well characterized |
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laughingliberal
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #130 |
145. Not one thing there I can disagree with |
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Goldstein1984
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Fri Feb-19-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #145 |
150. I think it all boils down to people and principles first |
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laughingliberal
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Fri Feb-19-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #150 |
153. Perfectly stated. We have more in common with peasants everywhere than with our own ruling class. nt |
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reformist2
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
55. IIRC, Boomers were the only group NOT to vote for Reagan in 1980. |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Thank you. nt |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. I don't have any statistics but... |
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Thu Feb-18-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #67 |
85. In December, I earned precisely one dollar on a small retirement |
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Thu Feb-18-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. As I said, I'm a Boomer, too, just on the tail end |
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Fri Feb-19-10 01:08 AM Response to Reply #67 |
118. I believe I saw a reply here that said the boomer gave us Reagan. It's not how I remember it |
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #118 |
144. This is a class war and we are losing. |
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Sat Feb-20-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #67 |
162. The "October Surprise" got Reagan elected, not the Boomers. |
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Mon Feb-22-10 12:02 AM Response to Reply #55 |
170. so the boomers parents did it. |
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
56. Don't be silly. Of course not. nt |
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #56 |
73. Tell me why you think that, please. |
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Thu Feb-18-10 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
69. The Watergate Generation was fairly liberal. The Reagan Generation swung to the right. |
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Fri Feb-19-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #69 |
120. I hope, for the sake of our country, that you are correct about today's young people |
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Thu Feb-18-10 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
75. Seems a lot of people need to scape goat someone for their life's problems. |
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JDPriestly
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Thu Feb-18-10 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
78. If you think that the anti-war movement and racial equality are bad, |
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Goldstein1984
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Thu Feb-18-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Did I say they were bad? |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Thu Feb-18-10 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
99. As a boomer in good standing, let me share some perspective with you |
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Hannah Bell
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Thu Feb-18-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. The boomers were the age group *least* likely to vote for reagan in 1980. |
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Fri Feb-19-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #99 |
152. I think it's that stereotype causing the misconception. |
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Sat Feb-20-10 12:44 AM Response to Reply #99 |
158. Nice swipe at Gen X. Do you know what we're also called? |
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Thu Feb-18-10 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
103. Yes, yes, it's true! We Boomers did it. And it WAS all a secret plot, too! |
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
108. Boomers did their time and got things changed. Gen X did not. I blame Gen X. nt |
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Fri Feb-19-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #108 |
133. Ummm, Boomers are the wealthiest generation of Americans evert to have lived |
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Fri Feb-19-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #133 |
151. Yes, but as I said before, they "did their time." |
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
110. The boomers are partially responsible ... |
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
114. Generalizations about "generations" are usually fig newtons of the imagination. |
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Fri Feb-19-10 01:36 AM Response to Reply #114 |
123. Well said |
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Lilith Velkor
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Fri Feb-19-10 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
117. They can't help it, they're frakkin Cylons. |
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Fri Feb-19-10 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
121. dupe |
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Fri Feb-19-10 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
122. If one baby boomer is to blame for anything it's |
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Fri Feb-19-10 03:41 AM Response to Original message |
126. The Boomers are at fault for not guarding with due diligence the MEDIA CONSOLIDATION & CIVIL RIGHTS |
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Fri Feb-19-10 04:08 AM Response to Original message |
128. Just a few? |
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Fri Feb-19-10 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
141. No-it's not the boomers fault. It's the medias fault for brainwashing people for decades. |
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
146. "As they retire, they're going to become a significant burden" - well, isn't that lovely. |
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Fri Feb-19-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #146 |
148. hahahahahaha |
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Sat Feb-20-10 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
159. John Bolton is a Boomer |
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Sat Feb-20-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #159 |
161. I don't know one lib turning neocon |
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Sat Feb-20-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. You might want to check this out, then.... |
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Sun Feb-21-10 02:19 AM Original message |
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Sun Feb-21-10 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
166. I have always blamed Boomer Esiason |
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