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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:26 PM Original message |
U.S. Military in Iraq Responds to Wikileaks, Releases Portions of Internal Investigation |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. The US military is deflecting, trying to buy time. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Huh? This came out today; they said they're looking into it, and |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. It happened 3 years ago. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
27. lol. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I think I agree- though I didn't get past the user agreement for CENTCOM. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. There were two investigations conducted and concluded |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Deleted message |
NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. The US Military conducted two separate investigations |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. . |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
29. At that time, the military was under the command of W |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
58. 'We investigated ourselves and we found that we did nothing wrong.' n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. That's not what the reports say. n/t |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. They are carrying out orders from the Executive, and funded by the Legislative |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. CTV coverage here is also mentioning the internal investigation. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Hell, the video's authentic. The "official" papers have screenshots from it. n/t |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
6. Glad to see our 700+ billion a year being well spent. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
7. Sworn statements from the people in the helicopter. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. There was no team on the ground near there. You saw the video. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Actually, there was. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
32. No, actually there wasn't. It took quite a few minutes to get people to check out the carnage. |
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KeepItReal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:32 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Wrong. The Reuters camerman was taking pictues of US Vehicles. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Did you read what you posted? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. The pictures the photographer took of the Hummer are at the OP website. n/t |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. The Hummer was several blocks away. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. It was there. The pictures of the Hummer are at the linked OP site. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. That photo was taken by a long telephoto lens 10 minutes before he was murdered |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. So? I don't know what you think you're defending here. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. The tragic mistake was that these joystick jockeys have lost all regard for human life and started |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Ah, so you're indulging a bias and hatred against the military |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Ah yes, the old hate the troops defense when certain things are. |
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Mojeoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Attacking People Rescuing the Wounded??? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. And grabbing weapons. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #22 |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. The investigators later determined that what the helicopter thought was an RPG was a camera. That's |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. That is true. Sitting in an office with time to make a more careful judgment |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. it was the only rpg in the scenario, mentioned several times. there was no rpg. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. There were two RPG's besides the camera misidentified as one. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. you guys keep talking about this report; i am unable to access it, so why don't |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. More direct link. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. which is why i don't want to go where the information supposedly is. |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:54 AM Original message |
The military confiscated the cameras, so they had physical evidence they weren't RPG's |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
46. The investigations identified the guy with the camera as a guy with a camera. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. And the military never lies? I will repeat, for just two highly publicized cases...Pat Tilman |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. The military never tells the truth? n/t |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
77. You wrote: "Sitting in an office with time to make a more careful judgment |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
9. Weapons and RPG rounds were discovered at the scene |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #9 |
39. And Pat Tilman and Jessica Lynch were war heroes. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Actually, they were and are. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. Oh stop your pimping. Pat Tilman's family are embarassed how his death was used |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. That doesn't change the fact that they were and are heroes. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:21 AM Response to Reply #9 |
44. of course they were-- that's pretty much a guarantee, isn't it.... |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Hey! Who you gonna believe - the Army, or your own lying eyes? |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
14. Mustn't be too hasty about a three year old incident |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:14 AM Response to Reply #14 |
36. There were two investigations already conducted |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Really? An independent investigation by disinterested outside parties? |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
60. 'We investigated ourselves and we found that we did nothing wrong.' n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. That's not what the reports say. n/t |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
70. there were WHITEWASHES conducted for the purpose of sweeping war crimes... |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
15. The military lies - always has and always will. |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
18. I believe this sort of thing actually goes on all the time. |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Probably true |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
56. You seem to be ignoring the fact that this was a combat zone and |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
35. Guess covering up war crimes is hobby of the U.S. Military. |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
69. Some things you just *can't* trust to subcontractors. |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
40. *sigh* |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
42. "Internal Investigation?" |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
61. 'We investigated ourselves and we found that we did nothing wrong.' n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. That's not what the reports say. n/t |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #61 |
78. That's about the size of it |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
65. For those saying it's already been "investigated"..... |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Those of us saying it's already been investigated are doing so |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. So, the numbers of the innocents killed is the difference? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. No, the intent of the soldiers in both cases is very different. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. In both cases, the soldiers fired on unarmed civilians and the military tried to cover it up. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Is there a reason you didn't reply to my post when answering it? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Nope just posted in the wrong place. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. So you made a mistake. Just like the soldiers. You're just as bad as them according to your logic. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Well, my mistake won't require burying anybody. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. No, no, no, it's all the same - a mistake is a mistake. n/t |
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