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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:54 PM Original message |
So then, do other governments have the "right" to hunt down and kill |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. Israel would be the only country I can think of that would do that |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. Some nations do. Israel has hunted down people for years |
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arbusto_baboso (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. That's the danger of this kind of policy. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
4. If a crime was committed, they certainly have the right to hunt them down... |
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arbusto_baboso (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Even when that hunting violates other nations' sovereignty? |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Different countries do it different ways. |
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arbusto_baboso (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Thing is, by ignoring international law, WE become criminals, too. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Then you are OK allowing mass murderers and war criminals to live peaceful and happy lives. |
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arbusto_baboso (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. That's not what I said and you damn well know it. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Nuremberg trials work only if you can get people to the court. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
59. And you are okay with giving the power of a monarch |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
60. Po Pot killed over a million people... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Problem with this case is that the International Community |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
27. "Can" and "should" are two different questions. |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
46. If the other nation has approve them coming in to get the guy |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. So Iraqis can come to America and hunt down Americans who have killed Iraqis? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. ! |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Thee is no law anywhere that I'm aware of that prohibits killing crickets... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. You beat |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. KIlling someone in a war isn't a war crime. Killing in a war isn't generally a crime. |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. They can try. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
62. Wasn't that what 9/11 was all about? People feeling that the U.S. |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:49 AM Response to Reply #62 |
78. No, that was not what 9/11 was about. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:16 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. That's the problem with allowing countries to |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. Of course they could. |
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driver8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
36. Of course not -- that would be "terrorism"! |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. We are discussing hunting down war criminals in countries that refuse to extradite them... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
61. Exactly right. We seem to think that only we can violate |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. So you can shoot a suspected shop lifter? |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Legally, not in this country. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Here in the U.S., in general no. Now, if that shop lifter tried to escape.. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
38. Well why not, if he's suspected of a crime? Isn't that what you said? Suspician is enough? |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. After looking though all my posts I never said "Suspician" is enough. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Oh, so you agree that in the absence of a trial and a guilty verdict that this would be |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Actually, I am saying we can hunt war criminals in other countires... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. oh so suspicion it is. No need for a conviction. Shoot first, ask questions later! |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. No, he has a choice to come home and face the law. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:15 AM Response to Reply #49 |
75. That's not what the press is reporting. Where are you getting your information from? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
64. What evidence is there that any of the people targetedby |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
47. If they are going to blow you up, yes. nt |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
41. I'm glad you cleared that up. So Nicaragua has the right to send |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 07:37 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Not everyone gets to do it. Just Empire America. We are special and better than everybody else. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. No, all nations have the right to self defense against people who conspire to murder... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. So you are asserting the right of many nations to seek justice violently against Americans |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. The right of self defense is inherent in nationhood... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Then I suppose you support the freeing of the Cuban Five |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. But Eichmann was tried and convicted. Israel didn't announce that their policy was to |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #54 |
67. Yes. I am asserting that other nations have the same rights as the United States. |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. Where is it "written down and codified?" In exactly the same place that you found it |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:37 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Hey, put down the booze and figure out how to use a threaded message board. |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Oh, Jesus. I've done it again. Gone and got upset over the simple |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. No, you should learn how to use a threaded discussion board and reply to the right person |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. The country if Nicaragua has the right to seek out people who commit war crimes in their nation... |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I'm sorry. How is issuing a "Wanted Dead or Alive" edict different from |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Capture or kill (try to be accurate) involves capture. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. What does that have to do with Nicaraguans coming here and attempting to |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Yes, they do. Just as we have that right... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:33 AM Response to Reply #58 |
77. And you are asserting that Italy has the right to fire, for example, a cruise missle into the |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
65. What the fuck do I need a link for? Do you have a link to the international law that gives |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Why are you writing like that to some one who is arguing against the Obama |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #52 |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
57. You must not be aware that assassination is against |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:56 AM Response to Reply #71 |
79. Yes, even he would not publicly state that the U.S. would |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
5. My understanding is that... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. Here's a list of nations that we have been critical |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
19. +1 |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
8. Chik Deney, perhaps?... nt |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
9. Don't know about "right" but many countries particularly Israel murder at will. n/t |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. And look at how much safer and secure it's made them. I sure wish we were as secure as |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Interesting books, Victor Ostrovsky's "By Way of Deception" & "The Other Side of Deception" |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
21. Your question is very general, but I would answer that no government |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
25. LOL. They ( and we ) do it all the time |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
26. There is no way to enforce international law |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. As a superpower the US is a leading outlaw state routinely violating international law |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. That's as may be |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
31. Hmm. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
39. No. It is only good when it is our guy who does it. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
43. they do now thanks to the sociopathic right wing dorks pulling the strings |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
76. Not if those war criminals are too powerful |
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