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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:34 PM Original message |
V.A.T. will drive the last nail into the coffin of the remaining small U.S. manufacturers. |
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existentialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. Don't the effects of a value added tax |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. It's an accounting burden at every level of production. |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. Republicans have never seen a regressive tax that they didn't love, all of which raises |
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Newsjock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. Obama spokesman: No Value Added Tax |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Yeah, and Obama promised he'd support a filibuster of FISA and telecom immunity.. |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
51. Didn't he also say he wouldn't sign a "health care" bill without a public option? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Repealing DADT? Oppose "Cadillac Tax"? |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Here's a more recent breaking story. |
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Newsjock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. From that story |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Not trash journalism. They are called "trial balloons". |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. and watch the usuals lap it up just like the teabaggers. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. The "teabaggers" will love the VAT, so you have self-inflicted a paradox upon yourself. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. ignorance is seizing on shit that won't ever happen, just to get a daily fix of poutrage. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. You clearly don't understand the issue at all. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. i understand clearly you are manufacturing outrage over something that will never happen |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. You are the only one outraged. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. And that, I fear, is the purpose. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. This would be the final nail. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
11. the transformation to teabaggers is now complete "HE'S GONNA RAISE MY TAXES!!11!!11!" |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Most of us here want Obama to raise taxes.. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. yes, and who here REALLY thinks he's going to slap a VAT on the middle class? seriously. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I'm beyond surprise.. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Unfortunately for my peace of mind I have grandchildren.. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. I also have a grand daughter. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Yeah, but it's like having a tornado bearing down on you.. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 02:57 AM Response to Reply #28 |
43. He's always on that side of things. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. I didn't think he would slap a "Cadillac Tax" on the Working Class either |
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crazyjoe (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:52 AM Response to Reply #16 |
47. right after he repeals DADT |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 09:52 AM Response to Reply #16 |
53. A 5% VAT would raise about $700 billion in first year. |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. $700 billion wouldn't go far today. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. He already raised taxes via SCHIP, which affects the poor more than anyone else - why didn't he |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Because the wealthy own the politicians.. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. The GOP loves the VAT. They have for decades now. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. Corporatists love the VAT |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. +1 |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
31. I'm no teabagger |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. It was a trial balloon. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
13. Who the hell says a VAT is even going to be proposed? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. just the usual kneejerkery. i guess obama didn't condemn it, so it plays right into the meme of |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
38. Who says it's a bad thing. It works in Europe quite well. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 03:08 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. You're not going to get a european-style welfare state with your new tax, you know. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
54. Does Europe have FICA (15%) and State Sales Tax (5% to 10%)? |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
60. Carousel Fraud also works quite well in Europe, too. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
39. Some things are so horrible and do so much damage to the working & middle classes |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #39 |
55. "imagine if Bush had pushed for that scam and called it health "care" reform" -- |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
40. Yes it will. Real capitalism is dead. Only predatory capitalism by those who have "theirs" |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
41. It will happen after the election |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
42. +100 |
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Pharlo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:56 AM Response to Original message |
45. There is one condition that would make VAT tax in the US acceptable - |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #45 |
57. There is no need for "corresponding tax". |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. You've put the issue in a capsule with the proper perspective. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:39 AM Response to Original message |
46. VAT is the ghost of the Flat tax and just as idiotic and regressive |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:16 AM Response to Original message |
48. In Europe, VAT is applied to the value of imported goods too |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:46 AM Response to Original message |
49. This could be an interesting discussion |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Try reading and responding to the actual argument. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. +1 |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:17 AM Response to Original message |
50. k and r |
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