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ccharles000
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Fri Apr-23-10 09:45 PM Original message |
French police fine Muslim driver for wearing veil |
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Shell Beau
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Fri Apr-23-10 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
1. I don't see how it could distract her from seeing anymore than |
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unabelladonna
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Fri Apr-23-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. no peripheral vision |
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Shell Beau
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Fri Apr-23-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Ok, but not wearing them at all in public? why? |
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Warpy
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Fri Apr-23-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Those things cut down on peripheral vision and yes, they're a hazard |
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Shell Beau
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Sat Apr-24-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #3 |
36. Ok, I get that. I do have a problem though with outlawing them completely. |
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ProgressiveProfessor
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Fri Apr-23-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. There was a claim it was no worse than a motorcycle helemt, which of course if nonsense |
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pnwmom
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Fri Apr-23-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Put a sheet over your head and cut out a couple of eye holes. Then cover the holes |
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Shell Beau
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Fri Apr-23-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Ok, maybe not good for driving, but what about just daily wear? |
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marybourg
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Fri Apr-23-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. What would you think if a bunch of guys walked around in black balaclavas, all looking identical, |
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Shell Beau
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Fri Apr-23-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. It wouldn't bother me. |
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marybourg
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Fri Apr-23-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. It would bother the police. And bank tellers. And parents of little kids |
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PavePusher
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Tue Apr-27-10 02:57 AM Response to Reply #13 |
88. You're going to hate any place with a real winter... n/t |
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pnwmom
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Fri Apr-23-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. What if someone wearing one was driving a car that hit yours? |
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Shell Beau
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Sat Apr-24-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
32. When do you stop telling people what they can wear though? |
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pnwmom
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Sat Apr-24-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. I know. It goes against the American grain to think of doing anything |
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proudohioan
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Tue Apr-27-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #39 |
94. "I think we have to draw the line somewhere, so the question is where.".. |
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marybourg
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Sat Apr-24-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. When it's no longer prevents citizens and police from recognizing |
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Taitertots
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Sat Apr-24-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. You stop when they stop putting everyone in extreme danger n/t |
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Flaneur
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Sat Apr-24-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
43. Uh, I'd think it was my local SWAT team? |
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marybourg
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Sat Apr-24-10 05:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Or, in some places, your local kidnapping team. that's one of the several |
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Prometheus Bound
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Mon Apr-26-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
68. I see hundreds of people every day in my city wearing surgical masks. |
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riderinthestorm
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Mon Apr-26-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. China is an entirely different culture than western cultures. Completely different. |
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blueamy66
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Tue Apr-27-10 12:55 AM Response to Reply #68 |
81. Where do you live and work? |
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Prometheus Bound
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Tue Apr-27-10 01:25 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Hong Kong |
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caty
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Fri Apr-23-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. What would happen |
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Shell Beau
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Fri Apr-23-10 10:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. But it isn't against the law to wear a ski mask. It is alarming in a bank for sure. |
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Gwendolyn
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Fri Apr-23-10 10:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Tell you what. Go into a bank wearing a ski mask and see what kind of reception you get. |
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Bert
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Fri Apr-23-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Thank you |
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Gwendolyn
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Fri Apr-23-10 11:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. So do I actually. As a kid we traveled a lot due to my Dad's work. |
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Shell Beau
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Sat Apr-24-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #17 |
28. You can get off your high horse now. |
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Gwendolyn
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Sat Apr-24-10 10:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
50. I think flowing white sheets that cover the face, with merlinesque pointy hats are really festive. |
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riderinthestorm
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Mon Apr-26-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #50 |
65. Context and connotation matter. Did you know that Egypt is debating banning the burqa and niqab? |
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onpatrol98
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Sat Apr-24-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
44. Military Women |
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closeupready
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Tue Apr-27-10 04:31 AM Response to Reply #14 |
91. I oppose general clothing restrictions, but I have to say that I don't know any muslims who favor |
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Shell Beau
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Sat Apr-24-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #12 |
25. Excuse me. I think you better revise that last statement of yours. |
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Gwendolyn
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Sat Apr-24-10 10:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
51. Doesn't change a damn thing. If you support the wearing of this disgusting slave wear... |
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Shell Beau
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Sun Apr-25-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I support people being free to wear what they want to. |
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Gwendolyn
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Sun Apr-25-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I'm happy you support choices like people being free to wear kkk costumes and swastikas. |
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pnwmom
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Fri Apr-23-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. But not so much in France. They have had for years a law that bans |
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sylvi
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Sat Apr-24-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
34. I think wearing masks is against the law in some jurisdictions |
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Shell Beau
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Sat Apr-24-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I was aware of the tinted windows, and I can understand that law. |
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pnwmom
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Fri Apr-23-10 11:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. France has a different constitution than ours. |
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Shell Beau
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Sat Apr-24-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. I got that. I am not stupid. |
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pnwmom
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Sat Apr-24-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. I wasn't suggesting you were. But many Americans don't realize that |
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onpatrol98
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Sat Apr-24-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Actually... |
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Cid_B
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Fri Apr-23-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
15. Imagine wearing this... |
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pnwmom
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Sat Apr-24-10 02:53 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. No, the eye opening is bigger in that headgear. Really. I've seen burquas close-up. |
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Cid_B
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Sat Apr-24-10 05:33 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Currently sitting across from seven Afghans... |
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Shell Beau
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Sat Apr-24-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I certainly didn't say ALL. Who said that? |
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Cid_B
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Sat Apr-24-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Previous thread a few weeks ago.. |
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pnwmom
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Sat Apr-24-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. I read a description of what it's like. They're looking at the ground to avoid tripping. |
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Cid_B
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Sat Apr-24-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Thats part of it... |
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pnwmom
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:49 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Either way it sucks. n/t |
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jennygirl
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Sun Apr-25-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
59. I Have Too Even Here in the Deep South of Louisiana |
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Shell Beau
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Sat Apr-24-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
27. Did you see where I changed my mind about that? |
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GoneOffShore
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Fri Apr-23-10 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
16. Glad they did - Burkas are oppressive and have no place in a secular society |
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Tumbulu
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Fri Apr-23-10 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
18. Good and the men who make them wear it should be arrested too! (nt) |
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JCMach1
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Sat Apr-24-10 03:39 AM Response to Original message |
23. Even Saudi men know not to let their wives drive! |
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woo me with science
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Sat Apr-24-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. I agree. It's clearly all about safety for them. |
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JCMach1
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Sat Apr-24-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. LOL... |
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etherealtruth
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Sat Apr-24-10 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
31. I am glad |
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pnwmom
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Sat Apr-24-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. I read that the original purpose of the face covering |
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Taitertots
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Sat Apr-24-10 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
42. What kind of monster puts everyone on the road in grave danger by... |
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Prometheus Bound
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Sun Apr-25-10 04:07 AM Response to Reply #42 |
53. She's a monster? Isn't this a bit over the top? |
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Taitertots
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I grew up in a predominately muslim neighborhood |
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Prometheus Bound
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Mon Apr-26-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. It seems to me that people with glasses have the same restricted periferal vision. |
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riderinthestorm
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Mon Apr-26-10 08:44 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Put one on the way it's traditionally worn and it's very different than glasses. nt |
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Prometheus Bound
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Mon Apr-26-10 10:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. This is the woman who was fined (as shown in the BBC article). |
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riderinthestorm
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Mon Apr-26-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Okay so let me go further with the theology behind this garb |
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Prometheus Bound
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Mon Apr-26-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. The lack of eye contact is hardly dangerous. |
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riderinthestorm
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Mon Apr-26-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Nope it leaves it as misogynist to demand society accept this garb |
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Prometheus Bound
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Mon Apr-26-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. A little tolerance wouldn't do you any harm. |
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riderinthestorm
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Mon Apr-26-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. A little feminism would do wonders for you. |
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Prometheus Bound
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Tue Apr-27-10 01:30 AM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Yes, but if I tried to tell this women living a continent and culture away what to wear... |
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Taitertots
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Tue Apr-27-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
95. Do you really think that? |
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LanternWaste
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Sun Apr-25-10 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
57. Apply law to a nun's habit as well... |
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Shell Beau
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Sun Apr-25-10 06:20 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. And then where does it stop? That is the point I've been |
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riderinthestorm
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Mon Apr-26-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. It stops where the public decrees it stops. Just like we've collectively decided in the west that |
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riderinthestorm
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Mon Apr-26-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. The nun's habit does not obscure the face. |
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Quantess
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Mon Apr-26-10 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
61. Good for France. |
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Gin
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Mon Apr-26-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. I agree.....I fully support this ban |
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okie
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Mon Apr-26-10 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
72. Banning veils is very troubling |
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riderinthestorm
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Mon Apr-26-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. We can and do tell women what to wear every day. |
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okie
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Tue Apr-27-10 12:11 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Of course you're right |
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Quantess
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Mon Apr-26-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. I bow to your imagined weighty authority on this subject. |
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okie
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Tue Apr-27-10 12:13 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. I don't |
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Quantess
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Tue Apr-27-10 12:47 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Give Me A Fucking Break, is what it stands for. |
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okie
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Tue Apr-27-10 02:01 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. It is, admittedly, a difficult subject.... |
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Quantess
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Tue Apr-27-10 02:21 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I dare say that you are projecting the western women's cultural ideals onto Muslim women. |
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okie
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Tue Apr-27-10 02:46 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I don't think I'm saying anything of the sort |
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Prometheus Bound
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Tue Apr-27-10 02:41 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. +1 |
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Gwendolyn
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Tue Apr-27-10 03:04 AM Response to Reply #72 |
89. Wrong on all points. You would have no problem at all being all aghast and disgusted... |
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okie
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Tue Apr-27-10 03:33 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. You're misunderstanding my points |
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riderinthestorm
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Tue Apr-27-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Nicolas Sarkozy is trying to maintain French culture |
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okie
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Tue Apr-27-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I think Sarkozy is just taking a cynical political position |
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Prometheus Bound
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Wed Apr-28-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. I really appreciate your thoughtful responses on this thread. |
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okie
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Wed Apr-28-10 08:51 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Cheers |
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