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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 04:40 AM Original message |
L. Merion school official to turn over computer/full "i love it" e-mail chain in court records |
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maddezmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 04:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. another update: United States Attorney seeks webcam photos |
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PCIntern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 04:53 AM Response to Original message |
2. You are beyond belief... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 04:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. your questions are straw. you aren't interested in the answers, just in misrepresenting my |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Be GLAD of those who misrepresent your motivations.Everyone else KNOWS what they are. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:09 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. let's hear, then. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 04:57 AM Response to Original message |
4. Gee, she's only had a few MONTHS to learn how to destroy evidence. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. and i imagine that could be easily checked. |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I can replace a drive and fake the install date quite easily. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. can you manufacture your own hard drive, too? |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:13 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. What does that mean? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. don't you know, master computer tech? |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I'm just trying to figure out why I should manufacture one. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
105. You can buy hard drives at the store. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #105 |
137. they wouldn't? you sure? |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #137 |
142. Absolutely positive. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 11:14 PM Response to Reply #142 |
147. was that before or after you transferred the data on the old hard drive to the new one? |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 11:39 PM Response to Reply #147 |
155. I didn't transfer any data. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 11:55 PM Response to Reply #155 |
157. so no one could have told the difference between the new hard drive and the old one (before frying)? |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 12:47 AM Response to Reply #157 |
162. No. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 12:51 AM Response to Reply #162 |
163. if the old one had information and the new one was empty, no one could have told the difference? |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 01:00 AM Response to Reply #163 |
164. The employee could destroy the old hard drive. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 01:07 AM Response to Reply #164 |
165. i believe it takes more than a few minutes to install what would look like, e.g. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 01:21 AM Response to Reply #165 |
166. Tell the Feds your old hard drive got fried/quit working... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 01:25 AM Response to Reply #166 |
167. mmm - i tend to believe that would set them looking for where you purchased the new one. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. You never waited for evidence before, dude. You're suddenly gonna start now? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:01 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Evidently her belief is that |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:09 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. entirely your unwarranted assumption. once more. |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:18 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Judging from your continued defense of the school district |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. it's easy to assume lots of things. one should always question one's assumptions. |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:39 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I'm considering this from a civil liberties standpoint |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:48 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. 95% of the discussion here on this case consists of speculation about |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:59 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. That is your interpretation. People are outraged that this has happened, unlike you who insists |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:04 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. "these voyeurs and the perversion of their actions" |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:09 AM Original message |
Ma'am, I don't always think the "courts" get it right, do you? |
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shedevil69taz (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
70. See I just don't know where this idea came from |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #70 |
82. you know "the sickness" of "those people" -- how, exactly? |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 04:55 AM Response to Reply #82 |
176. especially when a perfectly acceptable whitewash might be in the making. nt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. you've already made several ad hom attacks on me specifically, including this latest |
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PCIntern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. You're waiting for nothing... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:35 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. projection? |
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PCIntern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Not replying?...I see that as 'straw'... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:51 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. if you accuse me falsely, i'll respond. |
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PCIntern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. No, it makes you complicit in the promotion of fascism... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:11 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. a pervy fascist, now. yet you're trying so hard to avoid personal attack. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. He might have given up |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:20 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Evidently there is NOT a problem with that as far as that person is concerned. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:45 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. of course that's false, but don't let that stop you. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:52 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Hannah, when a gov't official takes the 5th of course there will be |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:09 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. you're confused. 1) a public school IT head isn't a "government official". |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:12 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Oh, you know all about the law, and you know what the outcome will be. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:14 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. i have no idea what it will be. that's my point. you apparently think pressuring courts |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:16 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Excuse me, but any entity that would take pictures of me in my home without my knowledge |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:14 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Then no one working for the government in a nonelective position is a government official |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:27 AM Response to Reply #40 |
49. From a legal perspective, |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:42 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Thank you, that was what I thought as well. nt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #51 |
67. ... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. lol. that must be why she pled the 5th for the opposition lawyer's dep, as the judge advised her, |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Nice authoritative sources. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. guess you didn't absorb the entire lesson then. *any* statement can be used |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #75 |
128. The school's own disclosures show pictures of students |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #73 |
85. Really, Ms. Toad. Don't you know that lawyers.com is every bit |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #85 |
99. What was I thinking. . . |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #99 |
117. Med school? Elitest claptrap! n/t |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #117 |
150. "elitist" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #85 |
104. The inapplicability of the 5th in civil cases? and you're supposedly a lawyer? lol. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #104 |
115. You think a 1924 case supersedes the FRCP and subsequent jurisprudence? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #115 |
123. gee, and that marbury v. madison was clear back in 1803. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. U.S. Supreme Court 1972, Kastigar et. al. v. United States |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. The key words are "compulsory self-incrimination" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. "compulsory self-incrimination" is not in conflict with "avoidance of a fishing expedition," |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #133 |
139. They are not in conflict - BUT |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 11:08 PM Response to Reply #139 |
145. They're not synonymous, but that lead to your conclusion: "*anything* you say can and will be used |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 06:01 AM Response to Reply #145 |
177. If you read carefully, |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 07:28 AM Response to Reply #177 |
179. double post... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 07:31 AM Response to Reply #177 |
180. Ms. Toad, my understanding of the depo is that |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #177 |
198. in the context of 1) the plantiffs citing federal wiretapping, etc. laws & 2) |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #129 |
138. She ain't ever gonna get it--much easier to claim we aren't lawyers.n/t |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 11:10 PM Response to Reply #138 |
146. I said i don't believe *you*, specifically, are a lawyer. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #146 |
152. My dear hannah, |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 11:54 PM Response to Reply #152 |
156. Let's check. Here's Ms. Toad's ONLY discussion of the 5th: it doesn't mention civil cases. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 12:33 AM Response to Reply #156 |
160. Again, I'm sorry you failed to understand either one of us. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 12:43 AM Response to Reply #160 |
161. again, i'm sorry you like to blow smoke, but it's getting rather boring. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 02:02 AM Response to Reply #161 |
168. So you really, really, don't think I'm a lawyer? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 02:13 AM Response to Reply #168 |
169. oh, please. post 164, i quote your entire post. i don't feel the need to |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 02:32 AM Response to Reply #169 |
170. No, I meant what I said. You simply do not understand it, no |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 02:40 AM Response to Reply #170 |
171. lol. smoke on. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 02:53 AM Response to Reply #171 |
172. Wow. I made you go from defending Cafiero to throwing her under the bus, |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 02:57 AM Response to Reply #172 |
173. hardly, but smoke on. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #172 |
200. I continue to defend her, thanks for playing. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #200 |
201. even though you equate her with an asshole out for themself |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #201 |
204. i take for granted that there's no solidarity under capitalism. i continue to defend |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #204 |
205. more bullshit |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #205 |
206. *everyone* looks after their own ass first in our system, or goes under. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #206 |
212. I have NEVER accused anyone of a sex crime in this case |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #171 |
184. pure gold - bookmarking this one |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #184 |
190. Bookmark and cache, as I expect a great deal of |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #190 |
195. screenshot, wall hanging, pillow needlepoint |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #195 |
196. Well, I think that some posters play the "I was personally attacked" |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #196 |
199. and all without any tearing out of hair |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #199 |
210. I found it all quite amusing, which I suppose is the maturity that comes with age. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #210 |
213. I know what you mean |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:16 PM Response to Reply #126 |
136. Of course, Kastigar allows the compulsion of testimony from an unwilling person. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #136 |
143. funny how you left off the important clause: "can compel testimony....by conferring immunity." |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #143 |
148. Did you miss the mention of use vs transactional immunity? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. no, because it's irrelevant. especially when presented by someone who thinks 5th A protections |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #149 |
154. No, I said the 5th amendment is inapplicable outside |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #154 |
158. see below |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 06:11 AM Response to Reply #143 |
178. You need to read what you are posting |
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PCIntern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 07:51 AM Response to Reply #178 |
181. Hi guys!!! |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #181 |
189. It's like a freeper birther thread.... |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #181 |
192. did you see this gem? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:09 PM Response to Reply #123 |
135. Certainly, an article detailing the rights afforded a citizen of Texas ought to be dispositive |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #135 |
140. sorry you don't understand the scope of the protections of the US Constitution, mr. "lawyer." |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:48 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. It's Ms. Lawyer. n/t |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. my apologies for the error. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #85 |
107. Taitzian ... is that a new legal term? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. 'Taitzian' is mine....and I am durned proud of it. Thank you! n/t |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:28 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. i've answered that question more times than i can count. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:31 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. How is it a witch hunt, unless you believe they did nothing wrong, which would lead |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:02 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Deleted message |
boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:07 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. If you believe # 1, how you could ever come to conclusion 2 and 3, I have no idea! |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:10 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. because i'm not stupid. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:18 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. I'm having a hard time withholding judgment. nt |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:19 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. ... |
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PCIntern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 09:44 AM Response to Reply #41 |
60. Wrong again... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:11 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Deleted message |
woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:38 AM Response to Reply #36 |
50. Of course they did. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #50 |
63. The system was designed to automatically purge all the images after the tracking was deactivated. |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. You contradicted yourself right there |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:49 AM Response to Reply #68 |
74. this one thing had me stumped |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #74 |
153. Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #68 |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
92. Holy shit! This argument turns inside out on a meta-level! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:08 AM Response to Reply #28 |
39. Deleted message |
liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
127. Then answer the one simple question that you've refused |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 12:11 AM Response to Reply #127 |
159. i've never refused to answer that question, have answered it in this thread |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #159 |
185. No, you have never directly answered it. |
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Caretha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 08:18 AM Response to Reply #127 |
182. She has refused to answer |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 08:37 AM Response to Reply #12 |
54. you aren't the only one |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
124. You beat me to it |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
52. False conclusion. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. false conclusion yourself, as i'm speaking specifically about the pervy scenarios constructed |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. That isn't clear at all. n/t |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #71 |
83. not clear that i was speaking of the email exchange? then why did you leap to conclusions? |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 04:31 AM Response to Reply #83 |
175. Your rant turned very general at the end. n/t |
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Caretha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
53. I'm going to try this once again |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #53 |
187. She ignores questions she doesn't want to answer and |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
56. The base fact remains that the parents were not notified of the camera's capabilities. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 09:08 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Yet the OP continues to insist that "we don't know" if there was spying. |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 09:39 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Another basic fact |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
57. She'll turn it over to "a computer-forensics firm hired by the district" |
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PCIntern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
61. OK...I surrender... |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
62. You may well be right that there was nothing "pervy" going on, but ... |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Yep |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
66. So I guess the date between you and PCIntern is out? |
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PCIntern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. wow could I have posted something... |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
76. This is what I don't get |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:15 AM Response to Reply #76 |
174. without the webcam tracking how could they spy on people? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
77. Oh, yes; because a plaintiff's lawyer's PR spin is always so credible. Who is the gull here? |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #77 |
194. she admits herself that she doesn't believe they're credible |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #77 |
203. robbins are the plantiffs, & i agree, their lawyer's spin is not always credible. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #203 |
208. yet you admit you defend that when you believe Cafiero is |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
78. I can't imagine that anyone here is defending |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. She won't answer this one. nt |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. +1000 |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. no one here is or has, not that i expect you to acknowledge it. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. You aren't sure why it's relevant that a "government employee" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. lol. poor readers, you lot are. or good straw spinners. i made no statement about "relevance". |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. snork snork, snork, "you people," snork |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #91 |
112. Let's look at the exchange: |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Bullshit. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Bullshit yourself. Noting that 96.5% of computers were never activated indicates no pattern of |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Oh, you just put it there....not to defend... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #94 |
109. i think i made myself perfectly clear, sorry again if you still don't get it. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. You left off the critical question |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #113 |
121. To answer your question: the district placed no cameras in kids' bedrooms. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. Psychological damage is immaterial. That's just great. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #125 |
134. in the context of the evidentiary phase -- as i clearly stated, and you chose to ignore -- yes, |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Off topic ad hominem duly noted. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. no more than your putting false words in my mouth, when i've repeatedly stated the opposite, |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. "I didn't say that! You put false words in my mouth!" |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Apparently 56,000 photos isn't widespread or systemic. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. I think you have the motivational piece right. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. They're not 56,000 pictures of naked kids. None of them have so far been reported to be "of naked |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:33 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Your points are not relevant. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. quite relevant to your assertion that school personnel were looking at pictures of naked kid |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. Oh, here, let me rephrase that |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. the school district was *able* to take pictures that any reasonable person could conclude |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. You are missing the point. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. to quote you: |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. What does any of that matter to the victims? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. your misrepresentations matter little to any students who might have been spied on, probably. nor |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. If that were the extent of the empathy of the school officials |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #122 |
130. being as it's the evidentiary phase of a court filing that hasn't even been certified as |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. Imaginary victims? You don't think there are victims here? (nt) |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. reading is fundamental, my dear noamnety. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #111 |
211. yep, "rephrasing it" is all you got, i.e. straw. |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #100 |
188. Holy shit. Are you actually saying that it doesn't matter |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #188 |
197. isn't it evident? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #188 |
207. holy shit. are you actually producing multiple straw men from your butt? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. See, that's the difference between you and I |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. There was no "policy of using video surveillance in children's bedrooms." |
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PCIntern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Yes there was... |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
106. People, including Matt Drudge, ought to be paying attention to the "spycam" case |
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Contrary1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
151. "Thus blowing out of the water all the pervy scenarios constructed by DU posters." |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #151 |
186. Hannah has now admitted she doesn't really accept this as truth |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #186 |
202. unwarranted conclusions much? |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #202 |
209. you own it |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
183. The intent isn't the issue. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
191. this surveillance crap must make you fondly remember mother russia or some shit. |
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PCIntern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #191 |
193. just the latter, methinks.. |
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