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saracat
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:21 AM Original message |
Boycotting Arizona is stupid. Do something productive and help us take back |
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jillan
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
1. Thank you - I am getting so fed up with all of this. We did not vote for Brewer. |
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aquart
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. And taking the most selfish view is going to help how? |
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jillan
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. I didn't realize that asking for help to kick the racists out of office was selfish. |
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lonestarnot
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
54. WTF! |
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Desertrose
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Sun Apr-25-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
119. I'm supposed to sacrifice a home & eating....oh sure. |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #119 |
131. Isn't that what this law will mean for many people? |
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Desertrose
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Sun Apr-25-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. I'm an artist who depends on the tourists to buy my work. |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. Precisely. This is about survival. I hope your business doesn't suffer. |
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Codeine
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Sun Apr-25-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #132 |
139. Then you need to let your state know these things! |
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Sun Apr-25-10 07:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
103. Very True |
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Desertrose
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Sun Apr-25-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
118. +1000 |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
2. They aren't mutually exclusive goals. |
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jillan
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Are you willing to help turn Arizona blue, or are you only willing to make things worse for us? |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I typed it as clear as I could, jillan. They aren't mutually exclusive goals. |
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jillan
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. And I've typed it as c l e a r l y as I can. Are you willing to help us get rid of these racists? |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I would support a boycott which would be undertaken to oppose |
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Nikki Stone1
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Mon Apr-26-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
145. How about donating money to Democratic candidates in AZ? |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag
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Sun Apr-25-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
121. I'm having some difficulty understanding how a boycott would help the right-wing. -nt |
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saracat
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. And you don't think it would be more productive to help us take back the state? |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. If I am suggesting that the two are not mutually exclusive, saracat, |
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jillan
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
3. Just for the record - I rec'd this thread and someone came along and unrec'd it. |
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sabrina 1
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:42 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Rec'ing to make up for the unrec ~ |
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jillan
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:03 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. I do understand - it's just frustrating to be inside of this mess. |
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sabrina 1
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:34 AM Response to Reply #29 |
60. Call their offices and tell them about your family and friends |
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SargeUNN
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:33 AM Response to Original message |
6. We do need the help to elect Goddard |
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saracat
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:37 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. They can't contribute to terry goddard because he is a Clean Elections candidate but they can |
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Webster Green
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:34 AM Response to Original message |
7. Raising Arizona. |
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BlooInBloo
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
12. When the AZ electorate acts responsibly, they have a shot at getting my dollars. |
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jillan
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. The Mayor of Phoenix is trying to stop this bill. He is introducing a possible lawsuit on Tuesday. |
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BlooInBloo
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:06 AM Response to Reply #16 |
32. Sounds awesome. Let me know when the law is off the books. |
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saracat
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:43 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. So you would prefer NOT to help us take the state back? |
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jillan
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. I'm beginning to think it's a lost cause around here. |
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saracat
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:59 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Maybe I will see you tommorrow. I will keep an eye out. |
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BlooInBloo
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
31. I refuse to have any participation whatsoever with a Jim Crow state. |
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SargeUNN
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Sun Apr-25-10 06:03 AM Response to Reply #31 |
94. Sure you would if I think you are who I believe you are |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 06:06 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. King's specific tool of success was the Montgomery boycott. |
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havocmom
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Sun Apr-25-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #95 |
108. And the boycott of AZ is what FINALLY made them approve MLK Holiday |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Agree whole-heartedly. |
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havocmom
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Sun Apr-25-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Why thank you. |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Time very well spent either way. |
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KamaAina
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Sun Apr-25-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #95 |
123. True dat, BUT King's boycott was targeted at the bus company |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Those boundaries pertain but the action succeeded, ending in a |
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Exultant Democracy
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:37 AM Response to Original message |
14. You better bet I'm keeping my brown butt and money out of AZ as long as it isn't safe for me. |
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SargeUNN
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:43 AM Response to Original message |
19. Ok folks please quit unrec this thread It is really childish |
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saracat
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:45 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Thank you Sarge. I am hoping we can do something constructive about all this. |
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LooseWilly
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:59 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Childish?... Nice condescension... |
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saracat
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:02 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Nice show of support for fellow Dems. Bankrupt us. that is really progressive of you. |
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LooseWilly
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:24 AM Response to Reply #27 |
48. Ahh, so now it's fellow Dems... not fellow progressives? |
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saracat
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:40 AM Response to Reply #48 |
66. Who asked you to? Like Sarge, I have to get some rest. I have a protest to |
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LooseWilly
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:57 AM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Who asked me to? Uhh, YOU, if I read the OP correctly. |
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SargeUNN
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:10 AM Response to Reply #25 |
34. thanks for proving my point |
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LooseWilly
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Sun Apr-25-10 04:15 AM Response to Reply #34 |
78. Thank you for your condolences for my childishness. |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:16 AM Response to Reply #25 |
40. Human rights activists in Honduras supported the embargo |
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LooseWilly
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:50 AM Response to Reply #40 |
73. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. |
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Better Today
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:13 AM Response to Reply #19 |
36. No. |
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BlooInBloo
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:35 AM Response to Reply #19 |
62. Cool - self-proclaimed "true progressive" telling people which threads |
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barbtries
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Sun Apr-25-10 06:28 AM Response to Reply #19 |
99. i haven't rec'd or unrec'd |
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barbtries
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Sun Apr-25-10 06:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
100. by the way, |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
22. Boycotts can be effective tools in setting things to right. |
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SargeUNN
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:06 AM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Some times they are however |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:19 AM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Sarge, it didn't stop Dr. King from organizing and leading the |
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kiva
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:00 AM Response to Original message |
26. If it makes you feel any better, I suspect the vast majority |
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saracat
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:05 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Thank you very much for the sanity and Goddard is a very decent man |
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kiva
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:13 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. You're welcome. |
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havocmom
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Sun Apr-25-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #30 |
110. Amazes me Goddard is still alive. The Phoenix 500 and winger minions play rough |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:14 AM Response to Reply #26 |
38. It's not necessary to physically be in AZ to participate in a boycott. |
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kiva
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:22 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. That's an effective way to pressure a state economy. |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:30 AM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Sure. I think this really is going to take off. |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:31 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Agree. The law is cowardly and stinks of racism. |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:35 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. That's the odor of Republicans opening wallets. |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:37 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. LOL. Indeed. |
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sabrina 1
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:59 AM Response to Reply #45 |
75. Well, I would have been visiting Az since I just left there three |
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havocmom
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Sun Apr-25-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #38 |
111. Yep. One can boycott AZ and AZ companies AND send $$ to DEM candidates |
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Snazzy
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:03 AM Response to Original message |
28. real boycotts are tricky to get going |
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SargeUNN
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:19 AM Response to Reply #28 |
41. I have been tore on this issue |
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saracat
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:24 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Delete Dupe |
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saracat
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:24 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Delete Dupe |
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saracat
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:24 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Amen. What these folks don't realize is how little this would effect those responsible. |
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Snazzy
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:44 AM Response to Reply #49 |
69. I will take exception to being "these folks" Saracat |
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havocmom
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Sun Apr-25-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #49 |
114. If those boycotting are vocal to the AZ Chamber of Commerce, Hotel owners associations.... |
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Desertrose
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Sun Apr-25-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
120. Amen saracat. |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 05:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
138. This action that you called "stupid" is being called |
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Snazzy
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:47 AM Response to Reply #41 |
72. Wouldn't that be a form of boycott? n/t |
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Better Today
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:12 AM Response to Original message |
35. So you want us to not boycott, ie spend money in your state, AND |
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SargeUNN
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:21 AM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Look at what I said please |
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Better Today
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:29 AM Response to Reply #43 |
52. I get it, I just disagree. I am 100% in favor of boycotting AZ, and |
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lonestarnot
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:40 AM Response to Reply #52 |
65. Federal invention absolutely necessary. Boycott will also get their attention. Money matters. |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:42 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Good point, and practical and long-range, too. Hi lonestarnot. |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 04:06 AM Response to Reply #65 |
77. Who is big besides Petsmart and the D-Backs? |
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lonestarnot
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Sun Apr-25-10 04:25 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Walfart. |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 04:29 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. LOL. Are they out of AZ? |
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lonestarnot
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Sun Apr-25-10 04:39 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. LOL. |
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SargeUNN
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:42 AM Response to Reply #52 |
67. I had to reply to this |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:44 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Would you have told Martin Luther King to back off on the 1955 boycott |
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SargeUNN
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Sun Apr-25-10 05:59 AM Response to Reply #70 |
93. Again you have to remember how that was done |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 06:20 AM Response to Reply #93 |
98. No one suggests suffering is a goal. There was very close to no one |
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Better Today
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:47 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. No one boycotted Katrina, the Bush admin simply failed. You are entirely |
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SargeUNN
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Sun Apr-25-10 05:44 AM Response to Reply #71 |
91. Consider this |
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Better Today
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Sun Apr-25-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #91 |
116. Entitled to how I spend my money as well. |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 04:04 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. Supporting the Latino community's call for a boycott is not reactionary |
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SargeUNN
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Sun Apr-25-10 05:51 AM Response to Reply #76 |
92. How do you support the Latino Community when |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #92 |
107. You take too much for granted. That's a mistake. |
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JI7
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:14 AM Response to Original message |
39. Arizona Congress member Raul Grijalva called for a boycott |
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saracat
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:22 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Raul did that before she signed the bill hoping the threat would |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:27 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. He hasn't changed his position as of Saturday when he spoke |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:29 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I can't rec your post, EFerrari, because the software doesn't allow it, |
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saracat
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:32 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Well, then I disagree with him. I would be surprised if any of our other delegation would support |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:37 AM Response to Reply #58 |
64. I'd like to see how Arizona Democrats handle themselves. |
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SargeUNN
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:25 AM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Yes he did and if you read my post correctly |
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LooseWilly
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Sun Apr-25-10 04:59 AM Response to Reply #50 |
88. What makes you think that those affected "will hold out longer"? |
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Tarheel_Dem
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:32 AM Response to Original message |
57. I don't do AZ, so there's little chance that I could boycott. But I fully support... |
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SargeUNN
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Sun Apr-25-10 03:32 AM Response to Original message |
59. Well I got to get some sleep Going to the protest |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 04:16 AM Response to Original message |
79. Here's some lawyers who don't like the bill much at all: |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 04:28 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. In 2006, the Latino pop of AZ was about 30%. |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 04:30 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. It is an astonishing thing to watch a governor of a U.S. State sign |
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lonestarnot
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Sun Apr-25-10 04:41 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Joegreenbolgna had already done that. Horseface stoked the embers. |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 04:42 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. I think the boycott will take hold and be sustained, |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 04:53 AM Response to Original message |
87. For a long time, the point of boycotts is to insist on higher principles |
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lonestarnot
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Sun Apr-25-10 05:09 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. If they try to take away the greater good we resist. |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 05:12 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Yes. Rosa Parks was not asking for anything more than her own |
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barbtries
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Sun Apr-25-10 06:13 AM Response to Original message |
96. i don't think it's stupid to boycott the state. |
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saltpoint
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Sun Apr-25-10 06:14 AM Response to Original message |
97. A fine piece from THE NATION's John Nichols on the Arizona mess: |
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TheCowsCameHome
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Sun Apr-25-10 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
101. Sorry - AZ is out of my travel plans until they rescind this measure. |
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Sun Apr-25-10 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
102. It is neither 'stupid' nor un-productive |
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KharmaTrain
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Sun Apr-25-10 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
104. Would You Have Traveled To Germany In 1933?? |
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hlthe2b
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Sun Apr-25-10 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
105. I posted yesterday about my concerns re: boycotts and the poor |
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Karenina
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Sun Apr-25-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #105 |
122. Pressure the BIG GUYS! |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #122 |
127. More Big Guys here (Walmart, Petsmart, Cox, more) |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #105 |
128. The Latino community is calling for a boycott |
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Codeine
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Sun Apr-25-10 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
106. Your state's racist laws are for you to fix. |
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KonaKane
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Mon Apr-26-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #106 |
156. I thought one thing that made Democrats better was.... |
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mwooldri
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Sun Apr-25-10 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
115. Petition each County Commissioner, Police Commissioner, Mayor... |
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krabigirl
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Sun Apr-25-10 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
117. Sorry. We won't be going there. DH has a "funny accent" and I don't think we'll be welcome. |
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PopSixSquish
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Sun Apr-25-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
124. What's With the Either/Or Thinking? Why Would You Give Up a Powerful Protest Tool? |
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EFerrari
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Sun Apr-25-10 05:39 PM Response to Reply #124 |
137. I haven't seen anything from him about how this law violates the rights |
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KamaAina
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Sun Apr-25-10 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
126. Maybe you should start a nonprofit dedicated to getting rid of the "Jaime Cuervo" law |
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Sun Apr-25-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. There are a number of orgs already on this |
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Sun Apr-25-10 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
130. Amen. |
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Sun Apr-25-10 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
133. I think both approaches can be useful |
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Sun Apr-25-10 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
134. Arizona won't get a penny from me until this is fixed. I've been there |
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Sun Apr-25-10 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
135. Brewer rose to the governorship because Obama appointed Napolitano |
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Sun Apr-25-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #135 |
141. Thank you. I agree. |
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Sun Apr-25-10 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
140. I wouldn't step foot in the state if you paid me at this point. |
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Mon Apr-26-10 05:56 PM Response to Reply #140 |
144. I'm sure they won't miss you |
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Mon Apr-26-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. I bloody well won't miss them. And as I don't make it a habit to travel |
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Mon Apr-26-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. You know, you could always do something positive: |
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Mon Apr-26-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. Has Goddard said anything about the human rights aspect of |
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Mon Apr-26-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #150 |
154. I haven't heard anything, but I've been at work. |
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Sun Apr-25-10 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
142. If I lived in AZ I wouldn't be worried about the boycott. |
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Sun Apr-25-10 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
143. We had a run in once before about AZ |
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Mon Apr-26-10 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
148. Until the law is thrown out, we're boycotting Arizona. Think you have it tough now? |
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Mon Apr-26-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. Why don't you just support the Democrats there instead? |
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Mon Apr-26-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #149 |
152. Yah - like those lawmakers just magically appeared from out of nowhere. |
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Mon Apr-26-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. Money always helps. |
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Mon Apr-26-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. As some bright person noted, it has been like 20 years since the MLK bigot debacle there... |
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Mon Apr-26-10 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
151. Why not both? |
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Mon Apr-26-10 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
157. I'm in the boycott AND support the Democratic candidates column. I understand that |
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Mon Apr-26-10 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
158. Were you against the SC/ Confederate Flag boycott? |
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