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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 03:43 PM Original message |
Patti Smith says New York City has been closed off to the young and the struggling. |
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dieselrevolver (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. As a Brooklynite |
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C_U_L8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. Yes on Bushwick |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. good news for chicago |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Keeps Toronto and Philly going too. nt |
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Mojeoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
44. Toronto is like a trip to Europe. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. Chicago is one of those "better kept secret" American cities. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Agree completely...There's no city |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Shh. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 05:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
37. Very true...I'm an east coast transplant and I love Chicago! |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
62. Noooooo, don't tell them. I want it all to myself. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
3. Yes. nt |
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Blue Meany (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. Yeah, but once they send the artists in to exile, one of the main |
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corpseratemedia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. +1 |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
6. Detroit is primed for a Art and Design school to swoop in and buy up buildings. |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. That was very successful here in Savannah |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. SCAD is exactly the model I was thinking about. |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
72. How can SCAD exist with Jack Kingston as the rep? |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #72 |
87. Actually Barrow represents downtown |
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corpseratemedia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. sorry this response for the savannah post...+3! |
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corpseratemedia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. +2 |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
55. Detroit's death is greatly exaggerated. Its NEIGHBORHOODS are in ruins |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. I hope Mayor Bing's plans can help |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #61 |
84. I support Mayor Bing. Even in this environment, I feel there is hope for Detroit. nt |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. I think the same could be true of Savannah. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #68 |
86. Thanks for sharing that. Detroit has to look at successful models wherever they can be found. |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:50 AM Response to Reply #6 |
105. Detroit has the Center for Creative Studies |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
7. How many years of Republican mayors? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. The last Democrat was David Dinkins in 1992. Before that you have to go back to Abe Beame. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. a stretch indeed |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
10. she is of course dead on accurate |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
11. Poughkeesie? |
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gadjitfreek (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. No kidding. After Po-Town, all that's left is Newburgh... |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
80. My own Puke-ipsie story |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
12. Old enough to remember |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Doesn't it seem like the city has been gunning for the death of rent stabilization |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
65. Rent controls unfortunately don't work very well. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
19. She might have added San Francisco and LA as well. |
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SPedigrees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Boston too. Glad we had the opportunity to dwell there in the 60s. |
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janet118 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 05:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. yeah, even somerville is high rent . . . n/t |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Yup...I have the same feeling (and 1970 experience) about San Francisco |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. I don't know. San Francisco is often even more unaffordable than NYC. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. I believe you....and what a shame!...Such a beautiful city. |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Yeah. The Yuppiefication that also destroyed the Village. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #19 |
56. LA is one big traffic jam through squalor to get to your gated community. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:01 AM Response to Reply #56 |
115. True...but it's a draw for a lot of performers...and it does have a beach! |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
118. I just got kicked out of my Dallas neighborhood. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. Gentle, freaky people. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
20. No small thanks to "I favor term limits except for me" Mayor Bloomberg.. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
22. mission accomplished. that was the plan, nyc = gated community. |
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chelsea0011 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
24. No kidding? New York is expensive to live in? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
25. I like Patti Smith, but I can't stand Manhattan. |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. What you can or can't stand isn't the point |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 08:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Oh, I know, NYC residents fancy 'emselves at the center of the universe of EVERYTHING, Daaahling |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. New York City IS the center of the universe |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. I'm not gonna bag on Minneapolis, but, uh... |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
77. No it's just the center of banking and advertising. That's why I left. |
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CommonSensePLZ (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:43 AM Response to Reply #40 |
52. Hey! I'm a Manhattanite! ...And I dislike the city as well |
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Stevenmarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. That's ok |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Damn straight. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
70. Thank goodness people have a great deal of... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #70 |
83. My opinions are absolute, 100% correct and irrefutable in their perfection. At least, in my own head |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. I have little doubt you believe that to be the case... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. It's a fact. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #34 |
103. You said it |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #103 |
107. Actually, what's fascinating is how neurotic and self-defensive people are about a place |
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Stevenmarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I applaud you |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Yep, that's exactly what I'm talking about. |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
48. Spent a few summers in the New York area as a kid... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Lotta people love it, and more power to 'em. |
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janet118 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
28. Providence RI is still cool and relatively cheap . . . |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 08:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. Bingo |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
33. Denver is getting interesting though...very talented young artists |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
106. First time I've heard of Denver being referred to as mid-west |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
35. Minneapolis was once a good place to be an artist. |
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tango-tee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #35 |
117. I lived in St Paul many years ago |
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troubledamerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
46. Brilliant observation, Patti, 16 years after Giuliani did this. Timely. |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
47. I know people making six figures in New York living like broke college students |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:55 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. no one needs a car in NYC |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:11 PM Response to Reply #53 |
88. well they certainly want one |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. you live in Costa Mesa, CA; when were you last in NYC? |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Uhh, about seven times in the last year |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #95 |
109. i was only there half that # of times last year, but |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. True...My niece and her huz spend about |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Madness! |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #58 |
96. Wow... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. Lafayette. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 06:56 AM Response to Reply #101 |
111. College town? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #111 |
120. West Lafayette is the college town. |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
51. Due to insane anti-development policies |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #51 |
60. Oh, they're building pleny of apartments & condos in NYC and the surrounding area... |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. Rent control is a major reason for this |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
57. New York has become very suburban. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
59. Patti Smith rocks. Of course we want to spread Cheez Whiz on white bread |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
63. Rent control is a big cause of this problem. |
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comrade snarky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Cato Institute? Really? |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. OK, how about Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. They have, essentially. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. See Post 2 by mopinko, who actually lives in Chicago |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Whatever. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 07:45 AM Response to Reply #82 |
113. I'd say |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 07:42 AM Response to Reply #75 |
112. Nope. I've lived in Chicago for over twelve years...Still an affordable city. |
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comrade snarky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
97. I wasn't aware that as a Democrat |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:37 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. You're welcome to disagree with 93% of economists. |
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comrade snarky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. That would be a great point if I was talking about Chicago |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 07:56 AM Response to Reply #102 |
114. I've lived in all of the three cities you're talking about... |
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comrade snarky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #114 |
121. Chicago is a fine city |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. Chicago is more than fine....Chicago is Great! |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:08 AM Response to Reply #98 |
116. For whatever reason, Chicago has simply remained basically affordable. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #66 |
122. that one likes the banksters in the greek debt crisis, too. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #63 |
81. Boston once had it, too. It no longer does. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #63 |
104. Rent control was phased out in 1971. Only the oldsters still have rent control. |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
64. I never did get Patti Smith... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. She was authentic. She influenced the NYC scene which influenced many artists. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Her debut "Horses" is better than the debut album of any of her idols... |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. She's an intense performer. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
76. all too true, San Francisco and Boston are only slightly behind in that regard |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
78. This happens to any city that becomes popular, |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #78 |
123. new york's been "popular" for several hundred years, but always had neighborhoods where |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
85. It is not just the land developers |
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KatyaR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
90. I think the young and struggling have been shut out of almost anywhere. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
93. That's why NYC is now just a marketplace and no longer a laboratory |
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Crystal Clarity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
94. My daughter is getting by in the E.Village |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Definitely put your "mom" worries aside. NYC is one of the safest big cities in the world. |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
100. I love NYC, but personally I prefer the west to the east coast, |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:30 AM Response to Reply #100 |
119. Sounds like your time in Chicago was limited to a stopover at O'Hare |
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126. What poor or fledging artist could afford to live in NYC anyway? |
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