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Union Yes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:41 PM Original message |
The cost of deportation will require a massive new FEDERAL TAX to pay for the enormous cost. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
1. "I will never again call a human being 'illegal' for immigrating to America." |
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Union Yes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Thanks! |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. Hmmm maybe the federal government should allow states to take control |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. Can you be racist against the canadians and irish |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Of course. Maybe you're too young to remember |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:03 AM Response to Reply #9 |
25. If you're Irish, can you be a racist against Irish? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:50 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Yes but we'd probably call it self loathing.n/t |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
67. sure you can |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. What most people don't understand |
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Union Yes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. So very true! |
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Jkid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
36. In some cases American-born children may be forced to go with the deportees |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
7. Arrest and fine those that hire them and the illegal immigrants will leave on their own. |
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The Northerner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. +1 |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:05 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. "they??" |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. +1 |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:24 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. "we know who they are" |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. Jesus. The hanky-wringing is getting a little old. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. no need for insults |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. I haven't exhausted my arguments, you simply ignored them. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
84. I have patiently addressed all of your points |
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madmax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:28 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Yes, you know |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Bullshit. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. the Enabling Act |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Right... enforcing laws forbidding the hiring of illegal immigrants equates to the Nazis. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. everything the Germans did in the 30's and 40's was legal |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. So, do you not think the US should have the right to define its borders or citizenship? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. correct |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Have even taken a cursory glance at the Constitution? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. you are kidding |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #54 |
64. Hahaha... Seriously, what do you think the Constitution says and who do you think the founders were? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. of course |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. let's walk through this |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. no rebuttal |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
37. If an employer withholds taxes on a bogus SSN, they get no-match letter.. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. massive resistance to that |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
73. That's not so |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:44 AM Response to Reply #7 |
26. We need to be attacking this on the demand front as well |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. attack? |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. you're right we should do nothing |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. of course not |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
38. they might not leave |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. of course |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
8. If cost were the main factor we would get rid of the drug laws first. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. A money maker for whom? The prison lobby is the biggest one in CA. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Well then arresting 11 million is a slam dunk |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:31 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I have to say that your lack of empathy for working people that you reduce to a number |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 12:56 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Just making the obvious counterpoint to your comment. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. disgusting |
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madmax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:34 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. There are options that would not require |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:37 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. My entire experience with immigrants doesn't include a single person south of the border |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Deleted message |
dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. It's a human right to be able to cross any border you choose to without any authorization necessary |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. yes |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. Deluded. If we had open borders everyone would come here. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. the shortages |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. If we announced open borders tomorrow you can just fly in from whereever you are |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:05 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. the ever evolving arguments |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:10 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. We means the United States of America. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. that can mean one of two things |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
80. We did fine before |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Please provide a citation for 20 million. n/t |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
69. it's a guesstimate |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Estimates suggest 7 million. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. "live like kings" ??? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Don't let me interrupt your garment-rending. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. who knows? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
79. No, everyone would not |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
78. You may expect it, but from our southern border, they just don't |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
77. You're not aware of the laws |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
29. I agree |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
19. That doesn't include the lost billions in FICA |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
24. True. Think of it. The courts, the lawyers, the jail and prison expenses. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
81. It's not a matter of just waiting one's turn |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
27. already paying for it, already deporting: |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:19 AM Response to Original message |
28. Agree with you (and organized labor and the Progressive Caucus) that legalization is part |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
35. You don't have to deport the illegals, just jail their employers. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. you are calling for a police state |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. I would give every employer the tools to verify that the SSN isn't bogus... |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. I would support something like that |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Wow Willy. You sound like quite the HERETIC! So LIVEly! Ready to play another round? :) |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
75. Employers are already burdened |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
74. Why do people think this is going to work? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. 1-800-SSN-CHEK |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. enough of this |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. here we go again |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. where this can all lead, and why it is so dangerous |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Why would that work? |
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Contrary1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
52. Not to mention the Gitmos that will need to be built to hold them until deportation... |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
76. The powers that be that have bought our gov't don't want to deport them. Just keep them illegal... |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #76 |
89. important point |
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