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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:05 PM Original message |
Woman can't sue now over alleged sexual abuse as child, state Supreme Court rules |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
1. How very convenient for abusers. I was sexually abused (raped, actually) many times |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. Wasn't the "Repressed Memory Syndrome" completely debunked |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Time and time again. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. Wrong. People are misunderstanding what she is saying. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
156. From a legal sense, repressed memory has no standing and can not be used |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #156 |
165. Not true. Every case is different and recovered memories have the same reliability |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 09:36 AM Response to Reply #165 |
194. Try to find a DA that will base a case on just recovered memories |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #194 |
202. Try reading my post again. That's not what I said. n/t |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 04:20 AM Response to Reply #156 |
175. No, "no standing" is false |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 09:34 AM Response to Reply #175 |
193. I should have said prima facie standing |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 10:07 AM Response to Reply #193 |
196. Agreed. Corroborating evidence changes the game nt |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
54. This is less about "repressed memory syndrome" |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. It might have been, but as a survivor I can tell you that even in recent years, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. It must be very frustrating to have thoughtless people implying |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I had my sister who also corroborated what happened to me...because sometimes |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. I understand. I know they didn't intend to disparage you, or your memories, |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Yes. Thank you. :) n/t |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #27 |
126. Sometimes people are too limited to relate to anything they have not experienced themselves. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. I'm sorry that happened to you. I'm glad you were helped some by RET. That's what |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #129 |
137. I know what you're talking about. I have to just step away sometimes. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #137 |
141. Deleted message |
LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:51 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. Ah, the "block" function, instant relief from jerks, LOL! n/t |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. And why is it that people are so fucking HAPPY when rapists get away with rape? And when their |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. How is being skeptical about "repressed memories" the... |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Strange - I see none of that. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. In a perfect world, maybe they would be prosecuted, but you know what really happens? the |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Yes victims get blamed. Yes it's terrible |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
75. Is waiting forever better? |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. You just give up and accept that it's your lot in life to have these things happen to you. n/t |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
51. So why are you blaming the legal system? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
119. She is saying that it often takes victims a long time before they can face their abusers. |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #119 |
127. I understand that, many people do |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:38 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. For one thing, I do not "KNOW" of it. What I know is what i heard |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:40 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. The other thing is that I literally do not know where my brother is. |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #131 |
145. The cops have investigators nt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #145 |
148. You can't be serious. No investigation would be opened on the basis of |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:14 AM Response to Reply #148 |
180. Funny how this story changed as the suggestion was made to report the abuse |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #180 |
188. What is wrong with you? |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #188 |
197. Nothing is wrong with me, I'm pointing out the obvious |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #197 |
201. No, she doesn't "know" about any abuse |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #201 |
216. No, just telling her to DO SOMETHING instead of the nothing she has been doing for decades |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:09 PM Response to Reply #216 |
218. You still just don't get it, do you? nt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #197 |
207. She didn't say she knew "all about" the abuse. She said she had heard that he |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #207 |
215. I'm not attacking her, just pointing out she needs to do something nt |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #188 |
203. Thank you for this post. :) I had a therapist explain to me once that |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #203 |
206. P.S. I have to say (laughing now) that I did expect better from Democrats, LOL - I had |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #130 |
144. You can still make a report of your suspicions |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #144 |
149. There are no resources to investigate claims like this. I know, |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #149 |
181. Get out more often nt |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #127 |
132. You're right. I am wrong to have let myself be raped, and I am wrong to have chosen severe |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:44 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. And just so we get an understanding between us, I still would not sue even today because |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. People like you have done a really good job making sure people like me know our place and |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #135 |
140. Attempt to guilt trip not working |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:05 PM Response to Reply #140 |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #135 |
167. Did you know you keep replying to yourself? This the post this replies to |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 06:39 AM Response to Reply #167 |
179. Replying to one's own post . . . |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #179 |
212. I agree. Can be on purpose to expand, or by accident like I did a bunch at first |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #212 |
224. Nice to see you've now mastered the art of not talking to yourself |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #134 |
138. Never said that |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #138 |
152. Why do you keep twisting what she said? She isn't in possession of any facts |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #152 |
183. Oh hello, please tell me where I said I was happy she was raped |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #183 |
208. You're not making any sense at all. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #208 |
210. LOL - yes, he's on the high people get from being bullies n/t |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. Did I say that? |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. Did you not read my posts? Do not know the daughter's name. All I know is |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #139 |
142. the cops can find out |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #136 |
153. The police aren't interested in hear-say about 10 year old incidents. n/t |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:20 AM Response to Reply #153 |
184. Not a defense nt |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #184 |
191. Not an answer nt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #127 |
147. No, it's NOT a crime, unless you're in the category of required reporters. |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #147 |
154. +1 and thanks for being here, pnwmom |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #154 |
155. Thank you, too, pinboy3niner. |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:18 AM Response to Reply #147 |
182. And most states now have laws requiring EVERYONE to report abuse |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 09:33 AM Response to Reply #182 |
192. Cretinous statements deserve no reply |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #182 |
209. Are you purposely ignorant or deliberately lying? It's hard to tell. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
100. Welcome to DU, LiberalLoner! |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. :) Thank you. I saw the movie about the abuse of girls at the laundry that was run by |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
116. Why are you assuming that the woman in this case was treated by a quack? |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
47. Maybe because these folks believe you need reliable EVIDENCE to convict someone |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #47 |
123. Recovered memories are as reliable as other memories, according to the research. |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #123 |
128. And since that evidence disappears over time, we have statutes of limitation in place nt |
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tango-tee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 12:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
173. I'm so sorry that you endured such a living hell. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. No, it wasn't. Loftus has written and done research on the fact that memories |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
31. Not debunked per se. Its difficult to know whether its a true repressed memory or a created memory |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. If they do exist, they are not reliable |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. They do exist. Loftus herself has never said otherwise. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. Here's a link to a great deal of research on the other side of the issue. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
117. In fact non-repressed memories aren't very good although we still allow them in court. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. You've got it. n/t |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
35. A few years ago, in Ca., a father sued a med group and won a large settlement... |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I agree that false memories used to prosecute are a travesty. n/t |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
169. I remember Roseanne saying she repressed being raped at age 2 months |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 12:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
174. Child rape kills a spirit, Murder kills a physical being. Both are equally horrendous. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #174 |
205. Wow...you really get what this is all about...you really understand...thank you. n/t |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
185. I'm not defending the cases cited there. however, dissociative amnesia exists |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #185 |
199. I'm sorry you went through something that awful. Thank you for posting and trying to |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #185 |
220. Good insight, RainDog |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
6. "Repressed Memory" BS again? NT |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Oh, sure, why should victims be able to sue for something like this? I mean it's not like any |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. They should sue - and heck prosecute - immediately. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Did you read anything I wrote? Most of us come out of situations like that completely unable |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. I disagreed with it. I still do |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I've been in a lot of therapy groups with survivors...none of us got any justice or |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. The issue is with CHILDREN. Why do you keep glossing over that fact? n/t |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
50. Not really. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
61. No - the OP is about a woman in her 30s. Why do you keep missing that? NT |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I think I would feel better if there had even been one person to express sympathy for the woman in |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I really wish someone could explain to me, why rape victims are so often shamed in our |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #64 |
87. It's odd that there was so little sympathy for this woman and yet |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. But those were BOYS being abused, at least the stories we heard of. Who cares what happens to |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
84. But you say she should it reported it immediately, and she was a CHILD then. n/t |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:53 AM Response to Reply #84 |
186. She should have - or at the very least immediately when the SOL started when she became an adult. N |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #186 |
204. She couldn't start the proceedings until she remembered the abuse. |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
63. "those who wait decades" |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Thank you. :) n/t |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #63 |
187. exactly n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Children aren't in a position to sue immediately. And it often takes years to understand |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Thank you. Don't understand why people refuse to understand this. n/t |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Simply because if they are relying on 'repressed memories' then they were never victims |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Yes, I do know about the history of this. It's a shame there were witch hunts based on |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. Wrong. You should educate YOURSELF before YOU "spout off" in this thread. |
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brendan120678 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
17. So the OH Supreme Court was ruling in accordance with the law. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
21. Okay, I'll back off my claim. Maybe not most men. But what I DO see as a survivor is a |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
24. I read things like this (from Wikipedia) and feel anger and despair. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
40. For people who say this is not a growing problem: |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
41. Here's a good page of discussion and resources about repressed memories of child sexual abuse: |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Thank you for this link, it's a great one. One thing I had to laugh at was |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Thank you for this important piece by a highly qualified Harvard researcher. |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
43. I'm on the fence over this one. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I'm sorry for what was done to you. Most of us never sue or seek justice. n/t |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I never want to see someone who is innocent convicted, either. But I can't help but wish for better |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #45 |
66. Thank you. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
49. I was sexually abused as a child, but I'm also a scientist. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Thank you for this. I hadn't thought of this aspect before. I still hope |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I doubt that very much |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Thank you. Your words actually mean very much to me. All the words on these posts have |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Your post deserves a recommendation all by itself. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. +1 n/t |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
158. good post n/t |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
56. WTF, Ohio?! |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
57. I tried suing a therapist who convinced me I had repressed memories of abuse. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. That sucks. I'm sorry that happened to you. It is a shame that this happens, both for |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
91. What happened to you is deplorable. |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
67. What is ABSOLUTELY STRIKING . . . |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Yes, there seems to be a real hatred or dismissal of rape victims, especially those of us |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. But sometimes I see cancer victims blamed for their own illness, as in "you must have |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. With cancer victims |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. I do have to say that the very first lesson I remember learning in life is that the world |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Pinboy's Rule: |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Is that what I'm doing? I honestly always just thought that would be the ultimate |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:46 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Why is the problem your responsibility? |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Oh. I never thought of it that way. I guess it is rather sacrificial. I think I have a hard time |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Nicely Said (nt) |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. No one questions that such memories can exists |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #71 |
93. No reasonable person, you mean. Several persons here have indicated |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. People mix up repressed memory crap with post-traumatic amnesia. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Actually I have very marked PTSD from what I went through as a child... |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #80 |
98. Psychological suppression of war memories is very real |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #80 |
115. I don't think "a generation of women" have been fooled by quacks. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #115 |
159. +1 |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #115 |
161. +100 |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #80 |
150. You are quite mistaken. PTSD is not physical shock related. I am sure in battle the two |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #150 |
166. Thanks for the link. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
92. Isn't it, though. n/t |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
157. Victim blaming and denial were all the rage during and immediately after Vietnam. |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:03 PM Response to Reply #157 |
162. Don't I know it |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #162 |
164. It is good to forgive and forget. But not to deny -- and then to expect |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #164 |
168. Yes, pnwmom, many blessings |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #168 |
170. Good, I'm glad your experiences didn't drag you down. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 06:30 AM Response to Reply #162 |
177. Thank you for your service. I'm so sorry what you went through, and sorrier that your service |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
72. Sex offenders should not be in civil court. They should be in criminal court. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. I agree with that. I also wish there were more successful programs to identify those who |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
81. I don't agree with this ruling. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
85. Good. 12 years after age 18 is already too long a statute. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Does sexual abuse actually ever happen? Or are all reported cases false? n/t |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Sexual abuse does happen. We're talking about "recovered memories" though. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Not true. Some claims have proven to be false. But there is no study showing |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #85 |
95. Recovered memories are actually no less reliable than continuous memories, |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Nonsense. "Recovered memories" aren't even memories. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Maybe you should actually read some of the research on the other side. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. Well, I know of the McMartin case (what an awful thing) but let me give an example from |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. What a nightmare your childhood must have been. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. Thank you. :) She was the one who remembered that my Mom had written |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #112 |
122. I have a friend who is an anxious person, a major worrier. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. I'm glad she was able to make a better life and be a good Mom - I chose to never have children |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. Can I ask you something? |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #96 |
104. You're assuming that the memories were recovered, |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Yes, just like in my case with the forced feeding memory that I didn't remember |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. Someone in my family told me something I SHOULD have remembered. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. We're good at surviving, aren't we? Sounds like your childhood wasn't so great either :( I'm sorry |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Unfortunately, angry unhappy people are just as fertile as everyone else. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. Yeah. :( No license required to reproduce. And nobody cares what you do to your own kids since |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #96 |
171. I suggest you educate yourself on the facts & reality of repressed & recovered memories... |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #171 |
195. Hey, AnArmyVeteran |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
88. Well, it is a bullshit rule that needs further looking into n/t |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
101. This is very good news. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. I don't know for sure...I mean, what if she really did go through abuse, what if she just |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. You know what I heard about, that I think is really a cool discovery? I read |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #101 |
110. How do you know that? How do you know she didn't recall the abuse on her own? |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
118. I only had one incident of being molested as a child (by a family friend) and the memories |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. I'm so sorry for what happened to you. Thank you for sharing and trying to get people |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. I think part of what bugs me about this whole case is the idea that if you can just |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:43 PM Response to Reply #121 |
133. I have also worked with sexually abused children (have a Psych degree). |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #133 |
146. Oh, man, bless you for dealing with all of that and trying to help them. I'm hoping the after life |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 10:16 PM Response to Reply #146 |
160. LiberalLoner, you deserve better here on earth |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #160 |
163. +1000 Thank you, pinboy3niner. This post deserves a thread of its own. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #160 |
190. great post. I have also been dx'd with ptsd |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #190 |
200. Oh, I'm so sorry you have PTSD too. That means you have suffered a lot. I'm sorry. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #118 |
172. Deleted message |
LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 06:22 AM Response to Reply #172 |
176. I don't wonder about it; I'm convinced of it. n/t |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 06:32 AM Response to Reply #172 |
178. +1000, dear friend. Thank you. n/t |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
189. The battle in this thread is predicated on a concepts of respect and autonomy |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #189 |
198. Well said. +1 n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #189 |
211. I don't think it is difficult to talk about the issue of recovered/repressed |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #189 |
213. You covered it well. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
214. "Repressed Momories" is PROVEN TO BE QUACKERY. |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #214 |
217. You have no idea what you're talking about. Are you a victim? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #217 |
219. Those people are guilty of being manipulated by unscrupulous shrinks. |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #219 |
222. I believe you're sincere and well-intentioned, Odin |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #222 |
223. Point taken. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #214 |
221. There have been a few cases of quackery; but research has shown clearly |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
225. There are two separate issues here |
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