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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 01:15 PM Original message |
Detroit's Robert Bobb wins, school district loses. School closures full speed ahead. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. When people realize what is happening, it will be too late. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. You are right. Teachers are not usually confrontational. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. also because the "powerful teachers' unions" as the new york times calls them, |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. What happens when one quarter of the people leave a city? |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. But does that mean it must be sold off to private corporations? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. All districts face that. You don't close and privatize...you adjust. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
81. Ummm... The charter schools in Detroit are nonprofits |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:35 AM Response to Reply #81 |
119. You do some research and get back to me. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #119 |
152. So, which Detroit charter schools are owned by for-profit companies? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #152 |
176. what is "owned" besides the name? |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #176 |
181. Owned means owned |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. what, precisely, is "owned"? you keep avoiding the question. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #183 |
185. In the case of the schools I have visited |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. great, so we apparently agree that owning or controlling the facilities & controlling hiring & |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #187 |
189. I don't have specific knowledge... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #189 |
193. No, the city contracts management of ALL public schools to private management. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #193 |
197. And that article was wrong |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #197 |
199. you posted misinformation when you said i said dte runs a school. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #199 |
201. Ummm... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:51 AM Response to Reply #81 |
125. about 75% of charter schools in michigan are run by for-profit EMOs. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:18 PM Response to Reply #125 |
151. I repeat: The charter schools in Detroit are owned by nonprofits |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 03:08 AM Response to Reply #151 |
160. just *what* is "owned"? the management companies own e.g. buildings & curriculum. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #160 |
166. Nope. That is just plain wrong. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #166 |
175. in name only. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #175 |
178. Once again |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #178 |
179. I have never stated that the charter of any school is owned by a for-profit company. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. Well... except the charter schools I know about don't work that way |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #180 |
182. I linked you to 11 charter schools being run this way by the same for-profit company, |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #182 |
184. So, you don't really have specific knowledge of Detroit charter schools |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #184 |
186. ah, but you see, they cannot simply "cancel the contract". because there's |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #186 |
190. All that depends on the terms of the contract |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #190 |
191. uh, excuse me, public schools did not traditionally enter into contracts |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. DPS has THOUSANDS of private vendors |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 10:08 PM Response to Reply #192 |
200. you continue to misrepresent my posts, my position, & the facts. |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #151 |
203. Are you that superfluous that you think "non-profit" = no profits? |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #125 |
153. Also.. did you read that whole page you linked to? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 04:11 AM Response to Reply #153 |
161. Yes; that's the standard dodge. But again, I ask, what is "owned"? |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 08:21 AM Response to Reply #161 |
167. So, they outsource stuff |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #167 |
174. They outsource EVERYTHING. |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
33. More like 60% |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:26 AM Response to Reply #33 |
129. not according to the census. pg 38, table 27: 912,000 |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
136. arbitrary and meaningless |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
92. nonsense, utter nonsense |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
3. This trend has me reassessing my views on homeschooling. nt |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. It's like a movement hurtling forward with no one to stop it. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
6. Houghton Mifflin Harcourt now embedding workers in Detroit school system. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Teachers will become drones reading a script. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
8. Bobb is returning TFA to Detroit, even while experienced teachers laid off. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
9. kick. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Yes. "These large foundations are like a juggernaut that can not be stopped." |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. They want to end the world it seems, what can you do. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. We have to at least try. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. It truly is. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
45. And THIS is why Repubs hate unions: Unions stand in the way of laissez-faire. |
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gmoney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
15. Bob Bobb? |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. It's Robert Bobb. n/t |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. I voted for Bob Roberts back in '92! |
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n.michigan (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:01 AM Response to Original message |
16. Mi Court of Appeals? Good old.... here you go- it is a perversion to be sure. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. The union has mostly worked with Granholm.... |
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n.michigan (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Time for teachers to file a lawsuit against the unions and RTTBottom dictates-a RICO? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:57 AM Response to Reply #16 |
127. "Where is that f-ing union" = my question too. |
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dreamnightwind (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
20. Interesting... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. yes, he is. an operative for capital. as are most of the school "reformers". |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:52 AM Response to Original message |
21. Detroit resident here |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:17 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. and others who live there feel differently. and the fact that someone doesn't live somewhere |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. It's not a conspiracy |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Never let a good crisis go to waste. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Yeah, I read "The Shock Doctrine," too |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. foundations are the tax-free investment & policy-making arms of the ruling class. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
48. Foundations = philanthropy |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. um, foundations = tax-free investment funds & policy arms controlled by the top 1% |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Their motives are not always pristine, sure, that's clear... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. any good work they do for others is incidental to the good work they do for themselves, |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. You don't know much about foundations (nt) |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:11 AM Response to Reply #77 |
123. a lot more than you, apparently. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Yeah, it is the "shock doctrine" of education. Lois Weiner tells the truth about it. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. These groups are taking over our public schools. It is not okay. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. You are painting with a broad brush |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. It is not just Detroit. It is all over the country. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. All situations and communities are different |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. The policies are the problem. It is a national problem now. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #52 |
83. bullshit |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
95. Crushing of the unions? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. LOL |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #96 |
118. She's been using that line for ages now. |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #52 |
93. Lucky...... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:46 AM Response to Reply #52 |
121. The policy & the money funding it is THE SAME, in Detroit, in Los Angeles, in New York, |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:44 AM Response to Reply #47 |
120. are you guys in the "broad brush" club or something? seems to be your |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. it *is* a conspiracy. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. I agree. It may be the only way to get people to move |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
59. that's not the conspiracy i'm talking about. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
133. that is not what happened |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #133 |
141. OK, but it's 2010... what do we do now? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. "we" who? |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #144 |
156. Re-read your post |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 12:15 AM Response to Reply #156 |
157. right |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #157 |
169. WTF are you talking about? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #169 |
195. fine |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #141 |
147. "doing nothing" only an option when it's poor black people carrying the burden |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #147 |
148. No. Doing nothing is NOT and option. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 06:27 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. they've been "doing nothing" for decades. suddenly it's not an option because *you're* on the scene? |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #149 |
150. Ummm.... so you really have no ideas? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 04:14 AM Response to Reply #150 |
162. I have plenty of ideas. It's not like if i waste my time telling you about them they're |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 08:33 AM Response to Reply #162 |
171. Ummm |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #149 |
155. I was not wrong |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 03:02 AM Response to Reply #155 |
159. 75% of michigan charters are managed for-profit, but all those in detroit are non-profit? |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #159 |
165. Please name the Detroit charters owned by for-profits |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #165 |
198. i've claimed that 75% of michigan charters are managed for-profit, |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #155 |
196. what are you arguing about? |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #196 |
202. I have a problem with... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
36. You've been stunningly wrong wrt to Detroit though. It's OK if you don't live here and have INSIGHT. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I'm a former resident of Oakland under Bobb's tenure here. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. The poster in question has offered nothing but *characterizations*, no facts. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Google "Hantz Farms" |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. According to the Free Press, Mayor Bing opposes the Hantz Farms project |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. The Fair Grounds is not their only proposal. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Stop. Read. THEN lecture! |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I've been following this story for months. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Your problem with urban farming is what? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Did I say I had a problem with it? |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Ya know what... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I'm just telling you what I'm reading. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:36 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. I'm not sure the farm thing is a scheme |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. detroit is not particularly "underpopulated" in comparison with other cities. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:35 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. You should see the vacant land here |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. via google street view, yes. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. OK, then |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. i said nothing like that. & whatever your personal feelings, the last i heard |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #84 |
112. First off, I don't think anyone will be forced to leave. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:57 AM Response to Reply #112 |
122. well, if *you* don't think so, i'm sure it won't happen. even though the people running your city |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #122 |
139. City Council has not even debated this, let alone passed a plan |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #139 |
146. no, their lawyer's just making the case for the plan in the media. what do you think eminent domain |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. The difference being... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. same area, more people than portland oregon. that's not "misinformation," sorry. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. You are misinformed |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. the facts are correct. so far as density goes, detroit isn't "underpopulated". |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #69 |
79. So, those tens of thousands of abandoned houses... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. If they're abandoned, I have no objection to the city doing whatever it wants with them, & I doubt |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
106. See if this will post, never tried it before..... |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #106 |
111. You are mixing 2 different issues |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:18 AM Response to Reply #111 |
124. It's nice that you "favor" that, but that's not what's happening. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #124 |
140. No details have been passed by city council |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #140 |
188. i'm not speculating when the lawyers are in the papers defending the plan. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #111 |
138. other way around |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #50 |
90. oh, gosh I don't know |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #90 |
98. "sucked the wealth out of Detroit"???? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. no |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
67. he doesn't oppose the project, he just doesn't like that particular site. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
71. you're from dearborn. 1.2% black, 86% white, median household income $44K. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. You can't be serious? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. poster chastises others for not understanding the "details" of life in detroit, but is from dearborn |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. YOU DON'T EVEN LIVE IN THE STATE!!!! |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. don't like the logic when applied tp yourself, do you? |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. What are you talking about? |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 07:28 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Thanks for that |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. The people whom Bobb is planning to dispossess for a few thousand also own homes |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #87 |
113. Where did I say people should be made homeless? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. i didn't say you did. BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN IS: HOMEOWNERS WHOSE HOMES |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. I was applying the poster's logic. I don't endorse it, but since he first made the claim |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #78 |
88. damn suburbanites |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. Nonsense |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. oh really? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Detroiter here |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #82 |
100. Nice |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. didn't say that |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Ok... |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. look |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. No I don't know it |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. racism does not go "both ways" |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. So much bullshit |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:53 AM Response to Reply #116 |
126. You would do yourself a favor to ignore these two |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:02 AM Response to Reply #126 |
128. Speaking of tag teams... it's mr. contentless personal attack himself. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #126 |
134. I think it was valuable |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:04 PM Response to Reply #134 |
145. it was. their only argument was "you don't know because you're not from detroit". |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 05:15 AM Response to Reply #104 |
130. Detroit destroyed public transport |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #130 |
137. massive pressure |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 04:54 AM Response to Reply #71 |
163. 86 per cent white for Dearborn |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #163 |
194. ever evolving |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
57. sez you. other detroiters disagree. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
37. Ask the OP or the poster you're responding to if they support the UAW. Guardian Angels of Detroit? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
70. like bob isn't corrupt. like kilpatrick's corruption wasn't encouraged & abetted by the ptb. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
35. kick (too late to rec) |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
89. kick |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. It's been an illuminating thread. |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 05:47 AM Response to Reply #91 |
131. never knew about this Bobb character's damage to my Oakland, thanks! |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #91 |
142. Got any ideas? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. I have been civil to you. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:52 PM Response to Reply #143 |
154. OK... so no ideas from you. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 12:30 AM Response to Reply #154 |
158. Oh I have ideas. |
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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #158 |
168. LOL |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:11 PM Response to Reply #89 |
99. Thanks for getting it. It is not a post about Detroit really.. |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #89 |
102. Totally Wrong |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. depends |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #102 |
109. the specific suburbs |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
103. if the school system was designed for 2 million kids... and there are only |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:32 AM Response to Reply #103 |
117. Oh, come on. You can make adjustments without bulldozing the schools. |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #117 |
132. Detroit Public Schools |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #132 |
135. Detroit's special needs schools at risk |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 08:10 AM Response to Reply #135 |
164. Starry |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 08:32 AM Response to Reply #164 |
170. Thank you Gaedel, I appreciate the response. |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #170 |
172. If I were Bobb.... |
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DimplesinMI (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
173. I Live Near Detroit, Lived in Detroit and Taught ACT Prep in DPS |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #173 |
177. Interesting perspective |
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