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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:18 PM Original message |
the first illegal immigrants |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. The Pinky Show |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. Everybody's ancestors came from somewhere else. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. But everyone's ancestors didn't instigate a genocide |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. +100000 |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
27. +100000 |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
61. Everyone's ancestors have probably practiced genocide. |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #61 |
68. +100000 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #61 |
83. I understand the point you're making and am not sure I'd agree with it. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. You opened that can of worms yourself when you mentioned "everyone's ancestors" |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. But they were here first, which is why some prefer to call |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #6 |
62. The idea that today's natives were the "first" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. That idea is what is being sent up. It's European cultures |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Not really... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. But we're talking about America. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Europeans had been "stewards" of land for millenia... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. No, Native American philosophy, religion and belief systems are different. n/t |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #62 |
75. If you are going to split hairs then we have to go back to Africa, to the |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Whatever... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Some European countries actually allow that, immigrating back to |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Which ones? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I heard the Netherlands does and I believe Ireland does. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. In Ireland... |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #6 |
65. That is true, but simplistic. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Just think of these posts as ideas stated simply. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #72 |
86. I like simplicity, but not when it clouds an issue. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
5. & the first boat people |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
7. I think this is a potentially very intellectually rich topic... |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. My ancestors came by forced migration ... Scottish Highland Clearances |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I don't know that story. Do you have a link? |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Sure, here it is |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Thank you, Bryn. nt |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
51. On a MORE GENERAL book |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
50. 3.0 Forced Migration |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
8. "native" americans are not actually native, they immigrated as well nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. This must be the new talking point because I've seen it five times |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #9 |
64. The cartoon is the talking point. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. The cartoon is a self-evident fact that I've heard over the years |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. So the colonists were immigrants? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:29 AM Response to Reply #73 |
95. good grief |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
76. It's a way for Europeans not to feel guilt over the |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #76 |
89. Gotcha. It's like saying people who counter racism are being racist. |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
10. What immigration laws did the Europeans break? n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Wouldn't the answer of that question require |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. heh, they didnt get a chance to make any laws against the europeans anyway |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. The Cherokee fought their removal all the way to the Supreme Court |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. Well, my ancestors were sitting around a table in Poland splitting a potato when that happened. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. And ducking, like mine were, because Russia and Germany |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. So, what laws did they break? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Oh, so it was only a pinky swear? |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. So which nations got to decide national immigration policy? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Thank goodness we live in a post-racial world. |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. So then you should have no problem finding the laws European immigrants broke |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. I did |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. As if the European immigrants were not "some desperate immigrant trying to feed their family" n/t |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. right |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:20 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. I don't think that comparison will help your cause |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:22 AM Response to Reply #57 |
93. no idea |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. shallow and naive |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Our laws are to be taken seriously because they have sound institutions backing them |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. your statement is almost imbecilic |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Good to know that despite disagreeing, you lack the mental capacity to respond n/t |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. there isn't any point |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. might be young and confused |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. guns |
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underseasurveyor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. You truly have no idea what you're talking about. |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:36 AM Response to Reply #41 |
58. There is only the white/ western culture that matters, The rest are heretics |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
47. Ones that decide to enforce them and can |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
36. are you kidding? |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
39. are you for real? |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 06:54 AM Response to Reply #21 |
60. I understand the OP as a cartoon that speaks with a certain poignancy... |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:20 AM Response to Reply #60 |
92. oh my God |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. You're advocating anarchy & the absence of decorum, isn't that correct? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. no |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. What law enforcement? If you offer amnesty, allot of that goes away but it is folly... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
46. As if the Native Americans had had laws, the Europeans would have obeyed them |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
11. If there were no laws in place re immigration, they were simply immigrants, not illegal. nt |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. yes, the manifest destiny tea party types prefer to make laws now |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Even amongst the earlier inhabitants (prior to the Europeans) were |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
70. But there WERE laws in place. They DID break them. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Well, ok then. The post started with "If there were no...", so since |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Certainly. Human history is really just a succession of invasions and genocides. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
23. where are these talking points coming from? |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. racism, the concept of manifest destiny i.e. white people are more important |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. so pervasive and dominant here |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. yep |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. surprised me |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. the democrats I prefer to align myself with |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
54. I am catching up with professional historians |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:30 AM Response to Reply #24 |
56. A policy of imperialistic expansion defended as necessary or benevolent. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. No kidding. This is new in the last week or so. |
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Mojeoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
45. We're all from Pangaea n/t |
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troubledamerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
48. By implication of this cartoon, Arizona is still fighting for "Manifest Destiny" |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:57 AM Response to Original message |
59. People move.. always have, always will |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
63. Wrong, they were colonists/invaders and not the first at that. nt |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
66. crap. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:25 AM Response to Reply #66 |
94. might makes right |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
82. HUGE K & R !!! |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
90. There is quite a bit of proof...... |
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