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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:49 PM Original message |
Elena Kagan isn't real big on diversity. 28 of 29 faculty members she hired at Harvard were white! |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
1. It won't matter.... |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. And here's Glenn Greenwald's response to that line of argument |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Greenwald is nothing but a useless blog troll who supported the Citizens United ruling |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. address the message |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
57. You project too much. nt |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
84. Greenwald as Goldstein again. |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. I agree with Greenwald... |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Very well said, and I agree with you. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
58. Looks like you're right on target. nt |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
77. technically correct |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
3. Usually the Republicans are the ones cranking up the smear machine |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. No, she will be a shitty choice that will only entrench executive powers forever. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Right the main complaint is people don't know enough about her |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. How about..... |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. so? |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
87. And yet, you 'magically know' |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. "smear machine?" |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
60. Joke? no. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:34 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Pattern? No... |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. That too |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. yeah |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
73. Deleted message |
Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
79. Well in fairness they cranked up the smear machine for Harriet Miers as well as Sotomayor |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
85. Smear machine? Well I guess you are an expert on that topic. |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
7. You hire the best person for the job regardless of race or sex |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. wow |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Did you go over the applicants? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. oh, appeals to authority |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. The Dean of Harvard Law School is a fairly authoritative source |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. OK |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I said the Dean used her professional opinion to determine who the best candidates were |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. no idea |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Then what position do you take |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. on what? |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. How is that a response to my opinion about Kagen's practices? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. it isn't |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. My practice of hiring the best person for the job regardless of race or sex |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. How liberal of you. How about affirmative action on your part? |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. Isn't that what affirmative action is? Hiring the best person? n/t |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. "Best person" in this instance obviously means "not white" nt |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:29 AM Response to Reply #55 |
82. Supporting equality is liberal n/t |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. Could it be that Kagan just didn't try to find any qualified minority people for the jobs? |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #48 |
86. Could be. But most academic searches make a real effort to identify qualified minority applicants. |
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BakedAtAMileHigh (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:47 AM Response to Reply #33 |
90. THAT is exactly your problem |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
47. Of course. Kagan just couldn't find any qualified Blacks and Latino's. |
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BoWanZi (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. That post is confusing, here is how I look at it: |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. I am familar with "how you see it" |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:50 AM Response to Reply #16 |
91. University searches are expected to SEEK OUT minority applicants for many jobs. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Affirmative Action |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. I didn't say otherwise |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
63. Do we know how many monorities actually applied for the job(s) (nt) |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Not in any article I've seen. n/t |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. That is exactly what the righties have always said |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Is that your way of saying you have no reasonable retort? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. false characterization |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Prepare yourself. All you will hean now is Dean of Harvard Law School Dean of Harvard Law School |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. yeah |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:05 AM Response to Reply #28 |
78. Will it be follwed by "I did not say that......" |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I'm afraid I think that's not true. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. not sure |
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bamacrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
30. I agree with you. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
45. And Kagan just couldn't find a single Black or Latino person who was qualified for the job?!?! |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
19. Maybe it has to do with her increasing the conservative spectrum of professors |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
37. that alone should disqualify her |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I have no problem with her increasing the number of conservative professors at Harvard |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. ok |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I never went to law school so I cannot comment on a liberal vs conservative law class |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. we could make it mandatory |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. here are some even better ideas |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Way to take a normal discussion and go to the extreme |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. maybe |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:17 AM Response to Reply #43 |
81. We could advocate for diversity on the Supreme Court. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
62. Yes, Kagan is anti-woman, anti-minority. Well, she is a known Nazi after all |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #62 |
88. Why on earth do you keep posting this Nazi thing? |
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Panfilo (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
20. Is she related to Donald or Robert Kagan? |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. No n/t |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
41. Please tell me Obama didn't pick this woman. (nt) |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. OK Obama didn't pick that woman .... as of 6:53 PM pacific coast time. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Now he did. It's official. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. well then... |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:44 AM Response to Reply #61 |
89. Yep. Greenwald hates America and "worked for Sachs." |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
56. Could be she's going to surprise folks. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:13 AM Response to Reply #56 |
83. More likely she'll live up to her "record". |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #83 |
95. Ah, I think just about any of us has the potential to upend |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
94. In what way? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
59. Well, this is a surprise coming from you |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Rumor is she owed her dean position at Harvard to a Mr Larry Summers |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. That's important |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
64. Irony - Kagan herself is considered a quota hire in some circles ( weak scholarly record) |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. weak |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. At least your username is appropriate n/t |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. last resort of a lost argument |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
80. grew up on upper west side, dad = real estate/corporate lawyer: |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
92. Why Are You Okay With Her Pro-Conservative Policy, But Not With Her Anit-Minority Record? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. You have a point. |
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