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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:03 PM Original message |
This is why Nuclear Power will Never be Safe |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
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Teka (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Indeed |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Three Mile Island had multiple redundancy also |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. How many people died at TMI again? Zero? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. It was a $2 billion accident and ratepayers - not the plant owners - paid for it |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. That is subject to debate as you know, it has been debated here frequently. however |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. While you typed your last post, about 18 people died of cancer from coal smoke. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. How many uranium workers have died or become ill due to exposure to uranium/radon/beryllium |
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whopis01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
73. Can you provide a link for that statistic? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. and so did Brown's Ferry until electricians started a fire the disabled the ECCS |
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Teka (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. TMI is a perfect example of how SAFE nuke plants are |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. That's the conventional wisdom. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 07:17 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. TMI is the single most investigated accident in history of the world. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
70. Chernobyl was a "safe" plant, also. Guess 100,000 dead Ukranians don't count. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:07 AM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Chernobyl had no containment. no modern safety systems. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. No shit. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. The Soviets starved millions of their own people in forced famine in Ukraine. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. It only takes one mass casualty incident to end your safety record. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Of course it only takes one accident but .... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. There are more rational, safer, and cheaper alternatives to expanding nuclear. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. There is no disconnect - nuclear power is a third rate solution to climate change |
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Gravel Democrat (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:36 AM Response to Reply #4 |
29. And if it was so safe, why is this necessary: Price–Anderson Nuclear Industries Indemnity Act |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. How much insurance does that plant have? $10.4 billion? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
86. The Gulf Spill displays the weakness of your position only too well... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 07:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
33. So was the Blowout Preventer. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:39 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. What was the backup for the BOP? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. The BOP itself was multiply-redundant. (NT) |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. That is a single system and not even a good one. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #43 |
67. Ahh, so if the reactor vessel fractures, what's the backup system? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. hold forever? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. It took 12 years to clean up the TMI accident. I'm fairly certain that if the core... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:06 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. The 12 years is misunderstood by you. It implies they were working the entire 12 years. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. So in other words, it took twelve "wall clock" years to clean up TMI... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Please that isn't what I said at all. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Wasn't BP about to receive a reward for their safe drilling record? n/t |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Because one technology has been proven unsafe they all are? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Nuclear power is intrinsically as safe as any high priority human endeavor |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Three Mile Island failed and not even one family died. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Many died as a result of TMI. It was covered up. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 07:35 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Google "Obama Muslim" or "9/11 CIA link" and you will find some interesting reading also. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
49. Radiation was released. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. 27 US nuclear plants are currently leaking tritium - more than one quarter of operating plants |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. +1 |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Chernobyl used a design that is illegal in the US |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #22 |
41. Chernobyl's design isn't illegal in the US; |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Not true. Hanford plutonium piles were graphite moderated but they were also unpressurized. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
54. Did you look up postive void reactor? |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
17. By this logic, we should abandon ALL forms of advanced technology |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Blunderbusses are too high tech for some here. |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Wow. What a stupid comment. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 07:44 AM Response to Reply #21 |
34. Yeah, kind of like the OP |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
71. Laid that nerve right open, huh? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #17 |
42. Nonsense. But we do need to understand the absolute worst-case scenarios... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
72. No, just the ones that lead to mass fatality incidents and cancer for millions |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
19. list of nuclear accidents so far, by date. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Nice hodgepodge of nuclear weapons programs, military accidents, some non-radioactive accidents... |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. With your screen name, one might think you'd understand risk. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:19 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. "...not to worry: their large staff of scientists deemed these events "unlikely"" |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Geo-thermal energy is cheap, easily available, and nearly unlimited |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
28. K & R nt |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 06:12 AM Response to Original message |
30. Something can be different about nukes |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
36. A plane crashed in Libya this week... |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. And trains, and boats, and mopeds |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You could get lead poisoning from the bullet. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #36 |
45. So tell me this |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. That is why the systems are redundant and independent. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. You are talking about the relative degree of safety |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Of COURSE we are talking about relative degrees of safety. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I once had the N.A.S.A. space disaster expectation statistics |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. However track records are "slightly" different.... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. the scientist-charlatan putting society at risk using statistical methods... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Deepwater wasn't a limitation of statistical models. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Not even close to true. Multiple levels of failure were required. |
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whopis01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
74. There were only 5, not 6. n/t |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
48. Nuclear power plants aren't 5000 ft deep or shot into space. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Where it is is moot until something goes wrong |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Why would you fix it. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Chernobyl can not be safely approached for any length of time now |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Wrong & wong. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. I sincerely would appreciate a link to more info on the most recent |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. It was almost a year after 9/11 so at the time that might have been accurate. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. A fighter would probably be harder for terrorists to get hold of fortunately |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. True. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Gotta sign off for now. Thanks for an intelligent discussion |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. They didn't release the details of those tests. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
51. must have been a death trap |
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