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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:19 AM Original message |
Electoral Votes in the South, and why Edwards has advantage... |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
1. The Confederacy may have lost the war, but they won the peace. |
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williesgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I'm not from the South (N.VA) but not all Southerners are idiots. Tide is turning in many |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. If the Dems have to pick a candidate specifically because s/he |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. And we don't like it when you call all of us idiots. |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 08:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
77. I didn't say that everyone in the South was an idiot. |
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RubyDuby in GA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
92. I am from the South and I am not an idiot. You owe us an apology. |
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nealmhughes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
98. I swan! Someone just wasn't raised right, I reckon! Lord, it's done fixed to come up a cloud here |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 09:10 AM Response to Reply #98 |
111. Well bless your little heart! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
3. So ... the 'South' will only vote for a 'Southerner'??? |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. You are at the crux of the matter... |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. No - the South would go for a mid-Westerner, too. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. "That's a valid argument."?? |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
89. I don't think that's exactly it. |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
5. Why and how would Edwards carry the South? |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Polling data indicates Edwards would do well in South because ... |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. The top three now may not be the GOPer choice. |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. The south is very red and Edwards is not popular with them. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I call BS on this myth being pushed on DU. Elizabeth is totally ADORED in NC; |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Hmmm. I dunno. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Link for facts on money raised by Edwards' in South |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 05:09 AM Response to Reply #25 |
71. Good article, thanks! |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 10:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. You are just plain wrong --Edwards is very popular here IN NO. CAROLINA |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
6. Check out Thomas Schaller's book... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. It is possible, but write off the South and you have to win big in all other states...n/t |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
22. For a rebuttal of Schaller... |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
10. But he doesn't because he won't get any of those. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. The South is no longer full of only swing Bubba's. Puleeze! |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 10:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
30. That is a stereotypical biased myth you are promoting about the South...n/t |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
14. Edwards was not going to get re elected senator in his state! please. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Since you're not from NC, why don't you reserve judgment for something |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. I was born and raised in North Carolina |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. So if Edwards had run for reelection you would have voted for Rep Burr? Hard to believe... |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:42 AM Response to Reply #33 |
61. Good lord, your reading comprehension is atrocious! |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Here are your words, not mine.... maybe you have amnesia.... |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 01:09 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Maybe you can't read? |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 01:16 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Then your problem is comprehension .... (admitting your problem is the first step) |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 01:26 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. No, she's right |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 07:32 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Oh I guess you keep up with who is 'looking hot' , not an issue here.... |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 01:27 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. No personal attack... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 07:27 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. I posted your own words, try to make it go away if you like.... |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #72 |
84. I think you really may have a reading comprehension problem. |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #84 |
93. Time for another installment of "What does this funny symbol mean? " Let's begin.... |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. Yeah, you put a "?" at the end, which made it a stupid question, instead of... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. I am just crushed that you think my question was stupid. At least you acknowledge the ? mark now. |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. She never said she would vote for the repub. Get it, now? |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Lol |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. Why not go back to what you do best? |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. No one else would have run against Edwards except Burr, is Not Voting A VIRTUE?? |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. You're getting desperate. |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #72 |
97. I don't want my words to go away |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. Your promise not to vote for Edwards if he had run for reelection would leave you w/ only 2 options |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
16. Fuck the bigots. It's been proven as a practical matter that we don't need their votes.... |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Hey. We're not all bigots and I respectfully request that DU members |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Deleted message |
mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Who needs freepers for insults when we have DU? |
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JohnLocke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. You can't write off the South. It just won't work. |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
107. Neither should the Democratic Party pander to the South ... |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
28. Edwards' presence on the ticket in 2004 did nothing to make NC more competitve |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. If you lived in NC you would know two things about the 2004 Election in NC... |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Having a favorite son on the ticket |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. delete |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. Ah, but those of us living here knew that according to the NC polls, |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. If all that is true about Dems winning in NC |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #43 |
52. It wasn't just the possiblity of vote tampering, it was Kerry's decision |
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NCarolinawoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:48 AM Response to Reply #39 |
63. I have to disagree and tell you I don't feel Edwards is popular in North Carolina. |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:57 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. That may be your perception, but the polling in NC does not support you... |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #63 |
87. I think you can't lay all the blame on Edwards for '04. Kerry was at the |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
29. It will be a long time before a Dem picks up any state Wallace, Thurmond or Byrd won |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. I respectfully disagree with your assessment.... |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. So what Wallace/Byrd/Thurmond states are in play in your opinion? |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Almost every 'Old South' state is up for grabs to a Dem Candidate that can reach the moderates .... |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 08:59 AM Response to Reply #40 |
78. See my post below. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. And now after 6 + years of GW Bush, the pendulum may be |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. 0% VP boost in NC for Edwards |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Take a look at the exit poll vs. vote results for NC graph |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Mnhtnbb is right... we saw that across the entire state. It sure is hard to educate the critics... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #48 |
86. Vote fraud in North Carolina...yeah right. |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 08:54 AM Response to Reply #45 |
76. That isn't how you should do it |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:24 AM Response to Reply #29 |
54. I live in Virginia. Edwards can carry Virginia just like Webb did. Obama and Hillary can't. |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:35 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. You are right --we should not cede any State in the South, it makes a difference down the ticket |
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peacebaby3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 07:45 AM Response to Reply #54 |
74. Hillary & Obama were in AL in March. Neither of them are ignoring the South. n/t |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 07:56 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I think that is a good thing for ALL Democrats and Democratic Candidates... |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 09:05 AM Response to Reply #54 |
79. Could you provide me with quotes |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Take a look at 1976. Carter SWEPT the South. There was |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. And look how fast the public ran back to Republicans in 1980 |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Recent poll in NC showed generic Dem beating generic Repub for President |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. I saw this story as well. It is possible spread would be larger with individual names(not generic) |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. I want to see polls with Edwards beating Dame Rudy and McCain in NC |
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Herman74 (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
106. Florida too!!! |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
42. Sadly, the majority of the South is Republican, mostly Christian fundamentalists |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Here is one myth('majority of south is repub") that can be refuted with facts |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Doesn't mean much |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. "Doesn't Mean Much" is not quite like disproving this fact .... |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #49 |
81. Still doesn't mean much |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Must be nice to live in a world where pesky facts do not get in the way of firmly held ideas....n/t |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. That is an often irrelevant fact |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-06-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Irrelevant when it comes to disproving the myth put forth? I think not. |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:34 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Next step, get them to vote Democratic. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:38 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. They have voted Democratic. And continue to do so. |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:39 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. We are already doing that, as evidenced by the 2006 Election returns... |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #44 |
53. And here's the chart to show it |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Good Job! Maybe we can put an end to this myth ....And did you notice 1mil unaffiliated voters? |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:35 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Yes. I've had enough battling the wars on DU tonight. See ya! |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 12:43 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Thanks for helping set the record straight about NC. |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
66. What about Southern white-folk guilt and the black vote? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
85. Edwards brought no votes in North Carolina in 2004. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Case not closed. See post #76. See what Edwards did |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Most DUers do not realize the magnitude of the Edwards victory over Repub Faircloth... |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #91 |
103. On the other hand Faircloth wasn't very popular either as I recall |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. It all depends upon who you ask. Faircloth was formidable enough to deter top Dems from running... |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
90. we'd be better off trying to pick off one southern state |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-07-07 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
100. I don't think Alabama, GA, MS, or LA are up fro grabs for any dem in '08 |
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