It looks like the Mormon Church will pay a price for Arizona's anti-immigration law

[wndycty]

Arizona immigration law fallout harms LDS Church outreach

by Daniel González - May. 18, 2010 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic

José Corral was seriously considering joining the Mormon Church.

For weeks, Corral, 45, a fourth-grade teacher, met with Mormon missionaries at his home in Laveen to read the Book of Mormon and prepare for his baptism. Corral, a Catholic and the father of two preteen daughters, was especially drawn to the church's commitment to family values.


"I was really interested. I thought, you know, it is going to be really good for the kids," said Corral, a legal permanent resident from Mexico.

Then, Corral said, he found out that state Sen. Russell Pearce, a Republican from Mesa and sponsor of Arizona's tough new immigration law, is a member of the church. Corral said he told the missionaries to stop coming because he considers the law to be anti-immigrant and anti-Hispanic.

"I decided I did not want to expose my kids to a religion that has members that hate other people because they are different," Corral said.

Corral is not alone. The law, which makes it a state crime to be in the country without proper immigration papers, has tarnished the Mormon Church's image among many Latinos, a huge group the church is aggressively trying to attract.
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[msongs]

1. that group is agressively trying to fleece latinos out of their money nt

[mzteris]

2. well at least something good

happened due to that hateful and idiotic law.

[ET Awful]

3. So the AZ law made him not want to expose his kids to a "hate other people because they're different

religion, but he continued to maintain interest after their support of Prop 8 right up until the AZ law?

Hmmmm, sounds like he's only upset when it affects his group.

[Walk away]

4. And this surprises you?..nt

[ET Awful]

5. Nope, not surprised, just commenting on his hypocrisy, that's all. n/t

[Walk away]

14. You are right ...it is sad.

[TalkingDog]

6. Not only that, aren't the Mormons the ones who only allow white men into heaven without restriction?

Women can only go if they are married to a church member and dark people are not allowed at all. I am thinking of the right sect....right?

Why would you follow a belief that doesn't find you worthy in the eyes of your creator?

[Sheepshank]

9. not any more

there was a convenient appearance by God. It was all in the timing.

[MidwestRick]

11. No

That's not true at all. I am an ex-Mormon, but nothing in your statement is true. (I can't believe I just defended them, lol).

-MR

[TalkingDog]

19. Oh, maybe I read this wrong then....

http://www.exmormon.org/mormwomn.htm

While these folks probably have an agenda, could you offer some points on where they have misspoken?


And I was incorrect about dark people. They can go to heaven, they just can't "procreate" as Gods. No heaven sex for them.....

http://mrm.org/curse-of-cain

[MidwestRick]

12. No

Doh. Double post.

[efhmc]

7. Hope there are no females in his family because they

discriminate against them in all ways.

[joeybee12]

8. Is there any group the Mormons DON'T want to discriminate against?

Gays, latinos, and they only admitted African-Americans a couple decades ago, and women, to them, are nothing more than incubators.

[Lance_Boyle]

10. Don't *ALL* religions have 'members that hate other people because they are different?'

That's sort of the point of forming a fairy-tale-believing in-group - it lets you demonize any and all out-groups. "Don't think like us? You're going to HELL!"

Check that mote in your own eye, Mr. Corral, you dimwitted seeker of "the best" of many fictions.

[Spoonman]

16. Amen brother.....

oops!
Sorry, I relapsed for a second.

Your statement was inspiring!

[Junkie Brewster]

20. No, not everybody

For instance, Unitarians are pretty accepting, as are Buddhists. Hindus are also pretty mellow. To be frank, however, I think all religions are pretty much equally wrong.

[RobertPlant]

13. i remember hearing that before the 1950s

Mormons tended to vote for democrats.

[fishwax]

31. to some extent that's true, but the church has favored the GOP since Utah became a state

Initially the LDS church and the republican party had a hostile relationship, since part of the GOP's original purpose was to eliminate polygamy. But ever since the church got rid of polygamy and became a state, there have been strong ties between the church leadership and the republican party. For the five elections starting with FDR's first race and ending with Truman's re-election, Utah (as most states did) went to the democrats. Even during the New Deal, though, the church leadership tended to favor republicans.

[Spoonman]

15. The Hispanic atheist viewpoint

I got pulled over for speeding yesterday (I wasn’t – fucking revenue seeking asswipes), and it made me think about and READ the new AZ law.

I was asked for my driver’s license, and proof of insurance.
I was run for warrants.
I was asked for a phone number, where I worked, and what my occupation was.

Basically I was politely told to bend over and take a fucking from the city of Houston.

I was not asked if I was here illegally. I provided enough information to demonstrate that I was not.

Yes, I am Hispanic (atheist too), and after reading the new AZ law, I have no problem with it.

Corral said he told the missionaries to stop coming because he considers the law to be anti-immigrant and anti-Hispanic.

Anti-illegal-immigrant? YES
Anti-Hispanic? – NO, what would it be considered if the vast majority of illegals in AZ were Cambodian?

Since Corral is here legally, he has nothing to fear. So why the pissing and moaning?

"I deal with the aftermath of what happens when someone gets deported in the middle of the night or doesn't come home from work. I'm left to help with families and deal with the crying kids and their wives. It's devastating on these families when the dad doesn't come home," Smith said.

Cry me a fucking river!

Crime is crime, Dad and or mom both knew the risks long before they did the deed.

Try dealing with the families of those who have been slain by illegal immigrants– NEVER to come home again!

Most countries impose jail time for illegal immigration, we just kick them out.

Castañeda, director of secondary-language development at Phoenix's Creighton School District, recalls one saying, "It's somebody from your church who did this." Another, according to Castañeda, said, "Your (Mormon) brother did this."

To which my reply would be: Well, YOUR Pope refuses to honor the right of a woman to choose her own destiny with regards to her body and life. So go fuck yourself and your anti-abortion religion.

"I want the church to put a stop to him," said Celia Alejandra Alvarez Portugal, 30, a member of the LDS Aguila Ward in Phoenix. Alvarez, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, is in deportation proceedings after the landscaping business she worked for was raided last year by Maricopa County sheriff's deputies.

No, you want the church to “stop” him, because you do not want to get deported!

"The husband of a woman (at her church) is not letting her go back to the church because he knows a Mormon made this law," Castañeda said.

One person does not make a law moron, Mormon or not (Utah excluded)

If this doesn’t demonstrate the complete ignorance of the voting public, I don’t know what would!

"I don't know Russell Pearce. I don't know where he is coming from. All I know is that what he is doing is not what Jesus Christ taught," he said.

I find myself at odds with this statement because while I don’t agree with Pearce’s political affiliation, I must defend him in that this law has NOTHING to do with religion, as NO law of this country should!
Good for him, he wrote/backed a piece of legislation that defied the religious horseshit!

Hopefully Texas will pass similar legislation this session.

[Junkie Brewster]

21. This Hispanic atheist thinks the AZ law, and the Mormon church, are bullshit

Frankly, I think it's bullshit that I can be asked to prove I am in the US legally, when my blond haired, blue eyed white husband is presumed to be an American, despite his funny foreign (Alabama) accent. I have a huge problem with the new Arizona law. But I agree with a poster above who wondered why this guy didn't have a problem with the LDS backing Prop 8. Personally, I would place a pox on both houses, if I believed in curses.

[kctim]

27. Seems you have a huge problem

with it because you don't understand it.

An evil white cop cannot pull you over and demand 'papers please.' He can however, pull you over for speeding and ask to see your ID and, if you cannot produce it, you will probably be taken to the station for further investigation. Which is probably the exact same thing that will happen to your blue eyed white husband if he is caught speeding and cannot provide ID. It has happened to me twice. Hmmmm? Come to think of it, I am not a blonde. Hair-ism! Hair-ism! Hair-ism!

[EFerrari]

30. No, that's not what the law says. That's what the right wings says it says.

The inquiry into status hinges on "reasonable suspicion" which translates to "racial profiling".

[kctim]

33. Still trying eh?

WHEN can an officer make an inquiry into status?

You really should know this by now, seeing how it was YOU who posted the answer before. You CANNOT be pulled over just to prove you are a citizen. That is NOT what the right wings say. That is NOT the opinion of a special interest group. That is what THE ACTUAL LAW says.

Pretending something is not there does not mean it is not.

[Flaneur]

22. Free Republic is thataway. Over to the right.

[Spoonman]

23. Feel free to join them then....

They too have a problem with people expressing the truth..... the same attitude I see in your reply.

[LeftyMom]

24. How do you say "self-hating" en espanol?

[ceile]

25. +1

[ceile]

26. I'm assuming you'll be moving to AZ then?

You know, when TX doesn't pass a similar, idiotic resolution?

[EFerrari]

29. Maybe Corral is just smarter. He didn't say the law was about religion.

He said he didn't want to be in a church that would have Pearce as a member because Pearce is promoting hatred.

And he is 100% correct. This law was written by the lawyer of a hate group.

[krabigirl]

17. Well, that opened his eyes. That religion and many others are very much into hating "the other".

[KamaAina]

18. So the Morons (sic) were behind this, too?

Call it "Proposicion Ocho". :eyes:

[arcadian]

28. I think it was the Morans

[grantcart]

32. Ready for some irony?

Because Mormon "missionaries" have to self pay their trips they frequently choose cheap locations in South America to go to and it is one of the few areas that they are relatively successful in poaching other Christians to join their group - as in the case above.

As a result in the next few years the majority of Mormons will be Spanish speakers and not English speakers.

[el_bryanto]

35. Actually if you did even minimum research you would learn that Mormon Missionaries

are assigned places to go; they don't choose. They are sent to Latin America in great numbers because the Church is strong there and because people there are more receptive.

Bryant

[el_bryanto]

34. You can't go wrong around DU trashing the Mormons.

Bryant