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IScreamSundays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:16 PM Original message |
In Arizona, immigrant couple lives in anxiety |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. It is one hell of a way to live.......... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. In some states, you used to be able to apply for citizenship if you married |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. But can't you get LPR status instead in that case? |
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marybourg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:02 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Citizenship laws are federal, not state. Plus, marrying a citizen is no longer |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. You're right. What was I thinking. But it wasn't that way as late as the 80s. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. well now we know where the Grand Canyon really is |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. even with the grand canyon as an example.. people don't know their ASSES from a hole in the ground |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
4. Why are all the "family values" folk so quiet about cases like this? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:29 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I would guess shame but maybe that's too optimistic. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Easy. Those types would be the last to give a shit about people like this. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
23. Because they only care about forcing their "values" on other families. |
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classysassy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
10. Too bad,Jan,Joe and Russell |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
11. while i have sympathy for their plight now, i don't blame anyone but them. |
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classysassy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Yes they do |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:32 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. They come here and live in poverty and fear and in hiding, how is that any better? |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. They're undocumented. They're not idiots. I'm sure if they're here, that means they prefer it. |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Well, I'd prefer a shitload too, but like many others, we don't get what we |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. Nope. Before NAFTA and before Raygun's dirty wars |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Your information doesn't match up with what I know to be true in Texas |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. No, Raygun was not decades before NAFTA. |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Yeah, but Reagan was in office for 8 years, so 8+5+ the time it took |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. You don't count wars from Raygun's inauguration but from when he started them. |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
64. I don't know any "illegals." |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Thank you, Flaneur. |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
68. "illegals a plenty"... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Unless every worker in the world is unionized, and in solidarity, then there is always somebody |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #17 |
33. I agree with the concep to global unionization, but I'm don't get what the rest of your |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I'm saying domestic unions, both resident in my community, are not in solidarity |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Last week ICE raided the biggest maintenance contractor in San Francisco. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
65. The labor unions representing those laborers were broken long ago. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
78. Organizing those workers is the smartest move a union can make |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
67. Good point and well said. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. These people don't "hurt" anybody. They pay taxes just as you do. |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #19 |
34. Depends on your definition of "hurt," I've watched wages drop in |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. You introduced the term. These workers don't come here |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. At no point did I say they were they only problem. You're really grasping here. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I'm following your logic and apparently even you don't agree with it. |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Then I guess you are misinterpreting my logic. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Well, I'm sorry to be shrill. |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. Not shrill. Right on. |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
71. Here we go again. It's one or the other. |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
66. "Costly to our society".... |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
20. So you suggest the family be separated? |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. nope, i'm saying they put themselves into this situation, knowingly and with eyes open. n/t |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. She is here legally. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. SShhh - facts are unnecessary |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. no one disputed the fact that she is here legally --- sssshhhh! n/t |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #27 |
47. yes, she is here legally. and she KNOWINGLY married someone |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. So it's now a crime to fall in love. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. :rofl: nope, you can fall in love all you want ... but don't marry an illegal immigrant |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Your lack of tolerance is duly noted |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Marrying an immigrant is not illegal unless in your estimation, she is illegal |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #61 |
79. he was here illegally before she married him, correct? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Unlawful but not criminal. Until Brewer decided to take Federal law |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #51 |
73. Major snark alert. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
70. Probably because they thought he'd be able to get a green card through her. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #11 |
21. How dare they want a better life! |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Should I illegally immigrate to Canada? |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I've thought about it. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Don't believe you'd have to |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Research that some more. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Well if you fall in love with a Canadian and want to live there, you'd be in the same boat |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. Getting into Canada is not as easy as some think |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
63. I don't think that's true. If we stop tanking democracy in Latin America |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #26 |
49. i would love to move to Canada ... but i don't qualify. i don't work in the industries |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. What's this? Requirements for legal immigration? Horrors and how |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
83. And you would, if it really was the margin of survival |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Just wondering |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
74. You'd get much better health care! |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
82. You would if it really would be the difference between survival and not |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. It could be the difference between dying without health care or living illegally in Canada |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. It's so useful for working people to turn on each other. That always works. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
29. The mother and the little girl are American citizens. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
77. +1 |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
80. We did lull them into a false sense of security |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
18. This family could be assaulted by some good old boys and couldn't report it to the police |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Yep...the law is working as intended. Just my opinion ...very sad. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
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mynameiswhat (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
75. I would be scared if i was breaking the law as well. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Indeed. nt |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. and you were lucky to be born in the US |
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