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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 06:25 AM Original message |
The President is doing the right thing on keeping BP in charge |
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dipsydoodle
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Wed May-26-10 06:36 AM Response to Original message |
1. Yes they should stay in charge |
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boston bean
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Wed May-26-10 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
2. Sorry, not at the expense of an entire ecosystem. I don't give a shit about any political reasoning |
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Wed May-26-10 06:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. You don't give a shit about the politics of this, yet you think the |
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boston bean
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Wed May-26-10 06:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. In organizing a clean up effort, I most definitely do think they have way more experience than BP |
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BeFree
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Wed May-26-10 06:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. If they did that... |
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madokie
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Wed May-26-10 06:55 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. What exactly do you think the government could do? |
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boston bean
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Wed May-26-10 06:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. The gusher may gush for another 2 months. I expect a massive response to keep the oil off the shore |
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Wed May-26-10 07:02 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Personally I don't think anyone is going to keep the oil off our shores or be able to reverse the |
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boston bean
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Wed May-26-10 07:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. yes, let's not try and all learn a hard lesson. |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 08:09 AM Response to Reply #14 |
36. Sometimes you are fucked |
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laughingliberal
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Wed May-26-10 09:52 AM Response to Reply #36 |
78. There are those who disagree that nothing can be done until the well is capped. |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. What was the depth of the spill |
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laughingliberal
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Wed May-26-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #80 |
88. We don't know details due to confidentilality agreements with Aramco. |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Who knows |
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laughingliberal
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Wed May-26-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. I'm certain they want to cap the well as much as anyone else. |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Well of course |
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laughingliberal
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Wed May-26-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #93 |
99. That may be true but I am not convinced it is. |
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SusanaMontana41
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Wed May-26-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
123. I'm with you, bb. The politicization of this tragedy sickens me, |
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Chan790
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Thu May-27-10 11:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
150. I live with me just fine. |
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dgibby
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Wed May-26-10 07:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
24. Thank you! |
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laughingliberal
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Wed May-26-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #4 |
73. That's how I see it. |
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seabeyond
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Wed May-26-10 08:34 AM Response to Reply #2 |
47. from what i am hearing there are quite a few experts (scientists) in the clean up process |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 08:45 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. They are as dumbfounded as anyone else |
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seabeyond
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Wed May-26-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. i was listening to a oceanologist this morning saying they agree, doing nothing with marshes and |
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ljm2002
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Wed May-26-10 10:07 AM Response to Reply #56 |
83. But I'm sure even they would agree... |
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laughingliberal
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Wed May-26-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #83 |
95. That's where I think the efforts are less than vigorous. nt |
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seabeyond
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Wed May-26-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. i have heard the complaint on du. i have not heard it from the many experts that i have listened |
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seabeyond
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Wed May-26-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #83 |
97. i dont have the information on what is being done in that area, so i cannot make any kind of |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Wed May-26-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
110. Yet LEGALLY they have to |
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old mark
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Wed May-26-10 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
8. There is plenty of time to fix blame later - Now, the leak must be stopped. |
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boston bean
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Wed May-26-10 07:00 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. What about the clean up response. |
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dgibby
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Wed May-26-10 08:07 AM Response to Reply #11 |
35. Why yes, yes they can. |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #35 |
57. Never said BPs focus was that |
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old mark
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Wed May-26-10 09:01 AM Response to Reply #35 |
63. BP's idea of the cleanup involves their many many lawyers stalling and denying |
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ljm2002
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Wed May-26-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
85. The OP clearly stated... |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #85 |
113. I'm talking about now |
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ljm2002
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Wed May-26-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Well that's where we disagree... |
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MyNameGoesHere
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Wed May-26-10 06:58 AM Response to Original message |
9. So the agents of change want to keep doing what we have always done |
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jaxx
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Wed May-26-10 07:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. What's your solution? A workable one. |
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MyNameGoesHere
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Wed May-26-10 07:36 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Well other than throwing my hands in the air in surrender |
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jaxx
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Wed May-26-10 07:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Ok, some of that makes sense. |
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laughingliberal
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Wed May-26-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
117. Good post! eom |
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ShamelessHussy
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Wed May-26-10 06:59 AM Response to Original message |
10. surrendering your authority to a corporation is what got us into this mess |
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eilen
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Wed May-26-10 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
15. Well now, that is pretty disingenuous |
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Selatius
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Wed May-26-10 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
16. You're asking for a Pyrrhic Victory. Politically, we win, but at devastating cost to the environment |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 07:58 AM Response to Reply #16 |
27. I don't think you understand |
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dgibby
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Wed May-26-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #27 |
41. I disagree. |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 08:35 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. They are going to stop the oil? |
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dgibby
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Wed May-26-10 08:50 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. No, they won't be able to stop ALL of the oil reaching the coastline, |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 08:53 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. How are they going to mitigate some of the damage? |
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laughingliberal
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Wed May-26-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #59 |
101. No one said it would be easy or cheap |
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DevonRex
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Wed May-26-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #101 |
105. The point is, doing something difficult and expensive won't work,either. |
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laughingliberal
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Wed May-26-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #105 |
114. I'm not sure I agree and there are experts in the field who don't, either. |
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DevonRex
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Wed May-26-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Well, LL, I hope you're right and that something can be done. |
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laughingliberal
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Wed May-26-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. Stopping the leak would benefit their profits as well as all of us. |
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DevonRex
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Wed May-26-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. I'd like to know more about what's going on with the "cleanup." |
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laughingliberal
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Wed May-26-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #124 |
131. Oh, you poor thing! Hope it gets better. MRI? I hope nothing serious? |
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DevonRex
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Wed May-26-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #131 |
136. Thanks. Ironically, the MRI is to find out about all these migraines. |
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laughingliberal
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Wed May-26-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. Sigh, that's medicine for you (old nurse, here) |
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BeFree
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Wed May-26-10 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
17. BP is king? |
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patrice
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Wed May-26-10 07:53 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Yes and we are a country of fools. All of this hoo-haa about how "Free" we are is BULLSHIT. Most |
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Thu May-27-10 11:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
151. now, that's pretty interesting, haven't thought of it in those terms until now... |
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tiny elvis
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Wed May-26-10 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
18. bp in charge means bp in charge of coast guard and louisiana police |
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Cetacea
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Wed May-26-10 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
20. I don't believe that BP will be in charge after thursday. |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
129. NASA has been working on oil spills? |
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laughingliberal
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Wed May-26-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. Perhaps they 'know people...' |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. Well shit get them down here nt. |
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scheming daemons
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Wed May-26-10 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
22. The minute the feds take over, BP has a powerful argument in court that they aren't liable |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 08:06 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Yep |
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boston bean
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Wed May-26-10 08:27 AM Response to Reply #34 |
44. that is noit true you need to read the air pollution act |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 08:31 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. No my belief is there is nothing can be done |
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dgibby
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Wed May-26-10 08:37 AM Response to Reply #22 |
49. Not if Obama declares the area a Federal Disaster Zone. |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 08:39 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. My argument is we are fucked |
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dgibby
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Wed May-26-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #51 |
74. Your mind is made up. |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #74 |
87. I asked you how you prevent this |
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dgibby
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Wed May-26-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #87 |
103. Here: |
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laughingliberal
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Wed May-26-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #22 |
102. Makes about as much sense as saying a person I hit in my car is critical means I off the hook. nt |
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Wed May-26-10 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
23. Yes, BUT how about the use of coagulants instead of disperssants? Regulators could mandate |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 08:01 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. I think that is minor |
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freddie mertz
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Wed May-26-10 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
26. Cannot agree, Jake. |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 07:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Nothing can be done |
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freddie mertz
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Wed May-26-10 09:34 AM Response to Reply #28 |
71. This is seriously defeatist. Yes, they are fools and we should have stopped this long ago. |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #71 |
91. Once the Genie is out of the bottle |
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freddie mertz
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Wed May-26-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #91 |
107. I have to ask: Do you have a family, children? |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Acceptance of what you see as a reality |
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freddie mertz
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Wed May-26-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #108 |
121. You are fucking depressing me with this. |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. I get that a lot when someone asks me |
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Wed May-26-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #26 |
106. That sums things up nicely. Only way I would go against that |
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Wed May-26-10 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
29. I agree. |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 08:02 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. That isn't my opinion |
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Ganja Ninja
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Wed May-26-10 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
31. I can't for the life of me figure out what people think Obama ... |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 08:05 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Exactly |
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Ganja Ninja
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Wed May-26-10 08:09 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. American's are so use to getting what they want. |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 08:12 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Trust me |
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Fri May-28-10 12:51 AM Response to Reply #37 |
153. WTF? |
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HughMoran
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Wed May-26-10 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
39. After watching the incredible machinations of the robots last night in preparing for the 'top kill' |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Wow agreement |
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dgibby
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Wed May-26-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #40 |
62. Yes, it is, |
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PufPuf23
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Wed May-26-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #40 |
79. Love you Jake but maybe this agreement should be a clue nt |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 10:03 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Here is the thing |
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PufPuf23
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Wed May-26-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #82 |
90. We agree as to the scale of disaster and there is no good end regardless |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Wed May-26-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #90 |
111. IT IS federealized |
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William Z. Foster
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Fri May-28-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #111 |
154. no it isn't |
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Wed May-26-10 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
42. PROTECTING the country's shores and ecosystems is the provenance of the govt. |
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Ganja Ninja
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Wed May-26-10 08:33 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. How are we going to protect the coastline all the way from Texas to North Carolina? |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 08:37 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Yep |
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ljm2002
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Wed May-26-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #46 |
104. Let's just take one suggestion... |
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KharmaTrain
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Wed May-26-10 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
43. Changing Oily Horses In The Middle Of A Stream... |
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blindpig
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Wed May-26-10 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
52. BP and the government do not, at least should not share the |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 08:44 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. We are 40 days into this |
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seabeyond
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Wed May-26-10 08:52 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. not only the govt but the private section of scientists too. they are involved in finding answers |
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blindpig
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Wed May-26-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Yes, but not under oil industry auspices. n/t |
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seabeyond
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Wed May-26-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. whih is exactly the point. it is people from all areas discussing and looking for answers |
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blindpig
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Wed May-26-10 09:27 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Yeah, seems like BP don't want no ecologists hanging around |
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seabeyond
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Wed May-26-10 09:37 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. i listened to a program this morning with scientists in LA being a part of it. |
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blindpig
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Wed May-26-10 08:56 AM Response to Reply #53 |
60. No |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. The minute that happens |
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blindpig
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Wed May-26-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Fuck the politics |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #69 |
76. It is going to happen regardless |
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blindpig
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Wed May-26-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #76 |
84. I fear you are correct about not mitigating this disaster |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. The government and BP will conspire to suppress information |
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DevonRex
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Wed May-26-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #86 |
132. Exactly. They will both have to do what prevents the worst case scenario |
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Wed May-26-10 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
66. No way to fix this mess for 90 days |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 09:26 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Actually BP is trying every crazy idea they can come up with |
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joeybee12
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Wed May-26-10 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
70. Another sickening post...might as well be arguing with teabaggers |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 09:52 AM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Let me put it this way |
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PufPuf23
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Wed May-26-10 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
75. I disagree - The disaster should have been federalized long ago |
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Wed May-26-10 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
81. at this point, it makes sense to let BP handle the 'top kill' attempt & relief wells |
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florida08
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Wed May-26-10 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
94. Best thread I've seen in a while |
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Wed May-26-10 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
96. the immediate task at hand of "fixing the leak" is BP's, but overall disaster mgt should be federal |
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DevonRex
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Wed May-26-10 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
100. AJ, you are exactly right. Once again your common sense has come through. |
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TheKentuckian
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Wed May-26-10 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
109. I disagree. BP can only be counted on to not be responsible |
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LLStarks
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Wed May-26-10 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
112. I dunno. Everything feels so free marketish. nt |
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Wed May-26-10 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
118. One action I would advise is to request $2 B and contract |
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Peacetrain
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Wed May-26-10 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
119. Cup of coffee coming your way... |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #119 |
130. Stop it you are scaring me nt. |
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Wed May-26-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. Cookie maybe? |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #135 |
138. I'm sure by August we'll be singing the same tune |
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Wed May-26-10 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
122. You should be in the administration, since ass-covering is the primary concern |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #122 |
126. A nuclear bomb has gone off |
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PurityOfEssence
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Wed May-26-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #126 |
140. By that metaphor, they're STILL going off, and the method of stopping this is the question |
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KonaKane
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Wed May-26-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #122 |
127. The administration doesnt have the technology to fix this. What do you suggest? |
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AllentownJake
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Wed May-26-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. That is my question |
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Thu May-27-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #128 |
147. Right. I'd rather be pissed off about something they could actually solve |
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Nikki Stone1
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Wed May-26-10 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
137. Once the government takes over, BP can legally claim any results are the government's fault |
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Wed May-26-10 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
141. Unconscionable. |
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AllentownJake
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Thu May-27-10 02:35 AM Response to Reply #141 |
143. What do you think can be done? |
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Individualist
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Thu May-27-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #141 |
148. +1 |
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William Z. Foster
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Wed May-26-10 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
142. why have a government? |
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Thu May-27-10 02:38 AM Response to Reply #142 |
144. If the Government had the ability to do something |
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Thu May-27-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #142 |
149. Why assume the government knows everything? I can assure you it does not. |
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William Z. Foster
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Thu May-27-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #149 |
152. it is? |
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William Z. Foster
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Thu May-27-10 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
145. so BP is in charge, or BP isn't... |
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Thu May-27-10 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
146. Just got back from Venice, LA. - I did not see much going on. |
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