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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:54 PM Original message |
Is it time to license journalists? Michigan thinks so. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
1. "Sorry, only government-approved journalists allowed." |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
83. It's scary how many fans the idea has |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. It would be an improvement over what passess for journalism in Utah today |
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TampaAnimus2010 (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #86 |
116. Ya, theres no way the government could use that to stifle dissent. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #116 |
121. If it were a federal law, yes. But this is a proposed state law. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #121 |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. The Cuban system of journalism? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
112. Ah, it's the Miami brigade (Tex-La division) using this as a chance for the usual attack |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
3. Your tune will change pretty damn quick with the next Republican Congress/presidency. (nt) |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. This is a state law, not a federal one. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. I wouldn't fix it by throwing state or federal constitutions out the window, |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
55. Does mandating gun licenses mean we've "tossed the constitution out the window"? |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. And yours is sounding like their case against most other freedoms. Might wanna look into that. (nt) |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Your line of argument is not consistent, then. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
75. That case is before SCOTUS right now. |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
118. Let me handle this one. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Diversity is a great idea. But does it get you closer to the truth? |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #120 |
130. The point is that independence in the media is what brings us the diversity. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. I'm not seeing diversity as the problem. I'm seeing lack of excellence and ethics as the problem. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
140. You fix the situation by putting restrictions on corporate ownership of the media |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
4. I've been saying this for years but the freedom of speech crowd always |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. That's the feeling I'm getting. The entire "estate" has lost credibility. |
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tranche (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. "Real Journalists" are responsible for 99% of the crap that's out there. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. That's because they don't have to meet any standards to operate. n/t |
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tranche (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I think it's because they work in a corporate environment motivated by profit. |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
39. And who gets to determine the "standards"?? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. That would be like letting the insurance companies write health care reform. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
61. That's the part I don't like. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
82. And most state or federal legislatures would be at least as bad with it. (nt) |
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crazyjoe (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. "Freedom of speech crowd" ???? OMFG |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Have you watched Fox News lately? |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
37. lol |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. It's just a label to communicate whom I am speaking of. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
113. Since Internet posts ARE publications, and since DU is a news site... |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
5. Sweet bippy, what a nightmare. |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
7. Bruce Patterson |
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n.michigan (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
41. another embarrassment for MI |
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mwooldri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
8. Want to know who to trust in journalism? |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. I used to agree with that. |
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mwooldri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
48. Maybe US networks... but not necessarily the foreign ones. |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. any of the major US MSM should be treated with suspicion |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
28. Also need to break up the media conglomerates. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
115. Educate yourself broadly on the issues using actual books, then use your brain when reading news? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
9. It could not restrict non licensed journalists from publishing |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
11. This is a very bad idea. Could be used to go after bloggers and other citizen-journalists. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
35. Bloggers really aren't considered news outlets although it seems |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Or unless a legislature in a bad mood decides they should be regulated. (nt) |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. It's up to us the people who vote to make sure that those kind of |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. How'd that work out for ya between 2000 and 2008? (nt) |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. Well, we know those elections were cheated on. n/t |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:33 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Every single congressional election? (nt) |
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Sheltiemama (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
54. Which I refer to as citizen "journalists." |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. If I try to be a "citizen brain surgeon" without the proper training and licensing, |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Where is what a lot of these actor/journalists on cable news should |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. HA! When you're right you're right. |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
12. I'm a geologist, and I have to have a license. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
15. Dup topic/Different source |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Oh, my apologies. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. NBD...its interesting to note the concerns are about the same. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
19. Interesting follow up.... |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
22. michigan state constitution |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. Why is lying and publishing fact less rumors considered |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
56. Search me. I think you nail why the licensing issue has come up at all. |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
87. because |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Really? |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. really? yes really |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the 1st Amendment |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:27 AM Response to Reply #94 |
100. shall we discuss the nature of the 1st amendment? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 08:17 AM Response to Reply #100 |
104. None of that shotgun barrage has anything to do with requiring professional standards |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #104 |
128. yes broadcast regulations |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #128 |
132. You missed the "public trust" part. |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 07:37 AM Response to Reply #94 |
102. also don't forget |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #102 |
117. Its not about silencing dissent. Its about demanding excellence and credibility again. |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #117 |
129. are you absolutely |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. Not at all. But there is no guarantee in life about anything. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. You fail to realize that licenses are required in many places for the right directly under the 1st |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #87 |
98. What alternative? Nothing could be worse than what is going on now. n/t |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
24. Also, for those who are in favor of laissez faire journalism, how about England? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
71. I think it's partially due to people's expectations |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
25. Hell no and this isn't aimed at the traditional corporate owned media, this is aimed |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
78. You have to admit, the internet is mostly BS. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #78 |
106. The Internet is the greatest freedom of speech enhancing power since the First Amendment was adopted |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. While I wouldnt want to do without it, it's also a grease trap for garbage. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. Once you know your way around, you don't have to dig through so much sludge. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. Oh, nonsense. Corporations figure it out, and jump in to take it out of your hands. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #114 |
123. That's why Net Neutrality must be defended and that's what I believe to be the real motivation |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 06:30 AM Response to Reply #107 |
148. The internet is not alone in this regard. |
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crazyjoe (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
27. guess we will have to shut down some web sites then |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
29. IIRC, Bernstein didn't have a degree |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
30. What State Senator Patterson is saying is that he can't tell the difference |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:27 AM Response to Reply #30 |
150. Then he should stop watching Fox. n/t |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
31. Should Michigan state legislators be licensed? |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Michigan is another state desparate for new tax revenue... |
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n.michigan (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Oh Hell yes. And why not A SPECIAL TAX on Politicians- instead of the tax on MI teachers? |
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n.michigan (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. Heh! New law to TAX the POLITICAL PARTIES- Shake them down and make a fortune for the states |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
40. I wonder if he's related to L. Brooks Patterson, because both of these guys are republican assholes |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. I happen to like ole "Brooksie." n/t |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
46. Never heard of anything so un-Constitutional (at least not in many years) eom |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #46 |
72. If you have a gun, is it licensed? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:05 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. None of my guns are licensed. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Yet it's constitutional to do so. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Maybe it is constitutional. That is still to be decided. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. I'm a gun owner, you wont get an argument from me. But you're sidestepping the issue |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #84 |
141. Now I get it. You're just in a snit over some states requiring your precious guns |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:19 AM Response to Reply #72 |
105. Radio and Televisions stations I believe are licensed to use the airwaves |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Correct. Have you read the content of those licenses? |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
50. Let's get pragmatic... |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:09 PM Original message |
Identical to being an attorney, an engineer, or a geologist. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #50 |
142. Sounds like they don't want physicians or veterinarians to report knowledgeably |
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Sheltiemama (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
51. Oh, so many things wrong with this. |
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ShadowLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
52. This can only work at the federal level, and the neocons would use such a lw to make the media worse |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
53. God, that's an awful idea. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
59. Think speech is never licensed? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
63. No way in Hell. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. So then I have two questions for you: |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Empower journalists to create more outlets. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. It's not the journalists' fault? |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:39 AM Response to Reply #70 |
101. You are referring to owners and publishers. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. The current state beats the alternative. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. The alternative, meaning the press down the shithole of history? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. That law would flush the press down the shit hole of history. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #80 |
122. I think you are exaggerating. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. And yet you accuse censorship's opponents of being freepers. (nt) |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Where, exactly? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
67. It's an excellent idea- though perhaps not with these exact provisions |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
88. Well, I guess Benjamin Franklin would be out of luck in Michigan.... |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. Benjamin Franklin would puke in his stew if he saw what journalism has become |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
90. One thing I've noticed about journalists describing a shooting |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #90 |
124. I haven't seen that. But I have seen them routinely confuse "rifle" and "gun". |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 06:13 AM Response to Reply #124 |
147. I own a Norinco |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
91. I gots a blog. Fuckin' A I'm a journalist. Journalism, after all, is in the eye of the beholder. |
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volvoblue (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
92. there needs to be something done |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-29-10 11:04 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. There is a fundamental flaw in the thinking of the laissez faire press advocates |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:00 AM Response to Reply #96 |
149. No, not the free market. The free press. |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:51 AM Response to Reply #92 |
99. Corporations KNOW the public doesn't want journalism |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #99 |
119. Which is what used to set journalism apart from McDonalds. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
103. A Michigan legislator thinks so.....that headline is a bit broad, n'est-ce pas? |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. You are correct. I'll try to change it. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Folks please read the topic header as "Michigan LAWMAKER thinks so." Thanks. |
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glen123098 (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
126. Anyone who supports this bill is not a liberal or progressive. Instead they are a fascist. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #126 |
134. Is special licensing for truck drivers "fascist" as well? |
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glen123098 (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #134 |
137. Driving a truck isn't speech. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #134 |
143. Two words: public SAFETY. Trucks and cars may break my bones, but words can never hurt me. |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
127. What part of the First Amendment is Mr. Patterson not understanding? |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #127 |
135. If licensing is an abridgement of a freedom, then you have a pack of problems |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #135 |
144. There you go again about guns. GET OUT OF YOUR PRO-GUN SNIT. |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
136. What is the real goal here? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #136 |
146. He's just an angry gun owner. He wants speech restricted just like guns, |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
138. Possibly the dumbest, most dangerous idea I've heard in years. n/t |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
139. 1st Amendment rights FAIL. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
145. In Case He Hasn't Noticed, Most Newspaper Writers Are Journalism Grads |
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