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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 08:52 AM Original message |
Depending on his next step, now may be time to rally around President Obama |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
1. K&R nt |
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MindandSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
2. Excellent! I hope President Obama "hears" you! I sure do! |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
3. I don't disagree with you but I think it is better for BP to remain solvent WHILE the fix is ongoing |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:02 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I think the fines are enough |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. While President Obama has a chance to "drive a dagger through the heart" |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Barack's greatest strength and biggest weakness |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
24. links? evidence? hmmm nt |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:47 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Healthcare Reform nt |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
87. I'm confused. is health INSURANCE reform an example of |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. It is an example of the President |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. he is responsible in that he chose Salazar |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. The administration |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #91 |
111. I hope so |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
5. No, if he stayed in New Orleans for more that a few hours ... over Memorial Day weekend ... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I don't want the President walking around the gulf |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Sorry, an extra day of bring Michelle and the girls and showing true empathy would |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. It is a catch 22 for the President |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. No it's not. The benefits FAR outweigh the costs. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:32 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. p.s. The President MUST order that these poison dispersants cease being used and then ... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:34 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I'm cutting him some slack on what is going on right now |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:37 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. He's seriously screwing this up with regard to "perception." |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:39 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I doubt if I just lost my livliehood for a few generations |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. You'd be surprised. A few minutes of "active listening"and/or a few phone calls by those at the top |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I'd probably not bother to show-up |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Mark my words: Obama is seriously screwing this up on a PR level. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Well Rahm is retarded |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. No Slack here. |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
81. Exactly. I agree completely. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I sort of agree with you |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I know I get people angry when I say this |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Then extend an OPEN INVITATION for help across the oil industry and throughout the world? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. How exactly are they going to help? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. All the oil the competition (BP) can skim and/or recover is THEIRS for reprocessing. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. The oil from my understanding |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. That's mostly due to dispersants. STOP using those vile dispersants and call in for international |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. I think the disperant is only a partial reason |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. No, bring them here anyway and let them do what they can. We haven't even TRIED! |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Not against that |
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yowzayowzayowza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #10 |
45. Obama putting his family on the beach for a photo op would be... |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
86. Many, including me, disagree with your assessment nt |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #86 |
104. Looks like it's going to be their last assessment too |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. I'm so sick if the photo op mentality |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
72. Yes it is rather ridiculous |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
9. This is the moment |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #9 |
48. Can't be done? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I still want Michael Moore's solution to GM |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #50 |
59. We own GM |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. I'd rather it be chopped up |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Gawd |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. The problems began under Clinton |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. So, you're anti-life, as we know it? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. I think one of the roles of government is to control our worst impulses |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. No |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. I think calling for them to be bankrupted through fines |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Go ahead |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. You aren't even making sense |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Storm the bastille? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. I'm not playing any word games |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
20. We don't want to bankrupt BP. We need the future profits to.... |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
26. Before or after they cap the well? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. They aren't going to cap it |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:56 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Now, or in 60 days? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. We will see little relief for 60 days |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Should they stop the LMRP top cap operation? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I'm never 100% sure of anything |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Top Kill has a track record & couldn't have been tried if LMRP was done first |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. We are testing the limits of human engineering in drilling there in the first place |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. I've repeatedly said we shouldn't be drilling deep-water in the first place |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:45 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I think politically |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:48 AM Original message |
Yes, we are - heads are ready to roll. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
55. Swimming and drinking |
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global1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
39. Obama Needs To Use His Bully Pulpit To Force Congress Into Raising The Liability Limit....... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I don't think the President can raise it unilaterally |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
93. President Obama is on record as opposing the retroactive cap on liability. nt |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #39 |
103. See, this is the stuff that makes me crazy. Raising the limit? |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
40. More important that justice with BP to me is the investing in alternative energy. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
49. Hard to rally round a president who is conducting an assault on education and me personally |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
53. I love your posts, Jake, |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. and when he does |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
56. We'll see if the emperor does more than just change his clothes. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Patience |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
58. And if he blinks instead of going for his dagger? What then? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Well than even the most ardent apologist |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #60 |
95. I wouldn't bet on that. The things I've seen Democrats defend these last 16 mos have curled my hair. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. Well this will settle all arguments |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. That's a good point. I can't imagine any valid defense of it. nt |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
62. That's a-mighty white of you! |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I'm German |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
74. Holla die Waldfee!!! |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Wir sind alle gefickt unabhängig. Liegestühle auf einem sinkenden Schiff. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #78 |
102. One world is enough for all of us. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 06:11 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. I'm of the opinion of what has been done here |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. I TOTALLY AGREE!!! |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
73. I believe he has already begun. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. They are the greatest threat the world has seen to world stability since the 1930s |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Let me ask you this, if Obama pushed for serious reform, |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Sure if it looks like a step to neutralizing their power |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I agree. Although it will be difficult. I do hope he continues to push |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #76 |
96. +1000 nt |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
83. Rec. I have come to dislike Obama's conservative politics, but I am always open to changing |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #83 |
97. Me too. I'm so hoping the flicker I see every so often takes hold and becomes a bonfire. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
84. Don't bankrupt them, that's a whole other legal scam-- nationalize their US assets! |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Given the US governments track record |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. Even with that, the REAL criminals.... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:29 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Well that is what the concept of limited liability and corporate personhood is about |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. Man, if this isn't the time for an FDR moment...nt |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. They aren't going to go quietly in the night |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #99 |
109. Word |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:12 PM Response to Reply #92 |
117. No, keep the assets, hire private industry to pull out the oil. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
89. kick |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
100. Obama ain't gonna drive a 'dagger through the heart of these organizations' |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
106. I'm pretty much DONE with that 'rallying around' thing. |
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frustrated_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
110. No, the time to rally around him is long gone, |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
112. WOW. Is this why ShortnFiery was TS'd?? Damn. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Doubtful |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. are you insinuating i have EVER started ANY rumors, here or elsewhere?? |
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FlaGatorJD (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
113. I'm in |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-30-10 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
116. I think we've all seen the trajectory this is taking over the last month. |
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Spheric (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
118. Jake, if Obama does indeed come through, then I'll help erect the statue. |
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skeptical cynic (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
119. BP's arrogance is evidence of how little they fear |
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