Have you figured it out Mr. President?

[AllentownJake]

So, BP has lied and lied and lied to you. The bankers, lied and lied, and lied to you.

You figured it out yet. Ok, I will let you on a secret. Take the worst Republican in congress, the greediest most ignorant self serving asshole you dealt with in the Senate and mulitply it by 10 and you have what you are dealing with. Take the nastiness, take the back stabbing, and take the sociopathy and you have business in America.

I know you like some of these guys. Warren Buffet is friendly enough if you didn't take out that his business model is taking profitable companies stripping them of anything that smells like money and destroying everything that makes a modest return and outsourcing to Asia or Lloyd or Jamie over at Goldman and Chase who will flatter you to your face and get checks written for you while stabbing you in the back economically when you aren't looking.

I know, you aren't FDR. You didn't grow up around these fuckers. You probably went to school in higher education with a couple at Yale and Harvard. Nice guys at the time at parties, will cut the fuck out of your internal organs for a grade...now translate that to dollars.

Barack, I know you have a decent soul from your personal story. Use your fucking head now. If you need to reinforce what you thought back than...you know the Dream of My Father and Audacity of Hope things, I have an oil soaked dead bird and an out of work shrimp boat captain to show you to reinforce it, any time.

[eleny]

1. K&R

[ProSense]

2. The President has a message

here

[AllentownJake]

3. I think the great compromiser is realizing

Chamberlain was not celebrated by history.

[ProSense]

4. "Use your fucking head now."

Why do people think that because they disagree with the President he's clueless? Could be the other way around.

[AllentownJake]

9. What level of 3d chess are we on now Pro

:rofl:

He's a good man, he believes the best in people, in his office it is at times a character deficit.

[ProSense]

18. "He's a good man, he believes the best in people, " Yeah

poor Obama, just piddling along out of his league.

Silly.

[AllentownJake]

22. I ask what are you doing on this thread

but we've known each other on this board long enough for the answer.

Kind of odd, I actually think more of him as a person than you do if I consider him naive if you are defending the past year and a half.

[Dr.Phool]

79. Hijacking or disrupting, obviously,

[Name removed]

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[glitch]

128. All of us attempting to hold him to a higher standard think more of him than his excusers.

Those low expectations are hardly flattering.

[Bobbie Jo]

181. Well, as long as we're asking presumptuous questions here...

I would ask what are YOU doing here? Wasn't it you who just recently recused yourself out of "respect" for the rules of this site?

[AllentownJake]

212. I'm not doing what I was planning on doing

Therefore I'm in no violation of the rules of the site and am not currently advocating a third party candidate.

[Name removed]

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[Jakes Progress]

23. Why do you think that because you disagree

with people they are clueless? We all know it's the other way around.

[Enthusiast]

74. Hardly.

I know someone that is an expert of clueless.

[pundaint]

131. I guess we'd have to look at performance vs. proclamation to judge that. OK, I did, he gets that

wrong too. We've had 18 months of a historic peak of the use of the word "historic," and there has been no real change, except that the powerful actors bringing America down for their profits are further entrenched, and the People are poorer.

Obama - Change words You Can Believe In - bur Policies that you just saw from the Republicans, and already knew were bad. The only Reform he's brought is that not the Democrats are introducing the Republican agenda. We voted for the Democratic Party Agenda, but we are not getting it.

[guruoo]

149. It's like a case of protest addiction.

Previous administration's departure left them going cold turkey.


BTW: Three guesses as to where this childish 'lack of emotion' issue originated.

[Hawkowl]

192. We hope he's clueless

It seems that that would be the best case scenario at this point. Meaning, at best he's guilty of being a very nice guy, giving one too many chances to people who don't deserve it. Or clueless in the sense of simply the job being too big for him. Maybe he really doesn't know how to run a giant bureaucracy with the same adept aplomb as a Clinton or a Gore.

The alternative is beyond heartbreaking: that the President is either powerless, cowardly, or on the take from the corporate criminals.

[ProudDad]

201. He's a clever stooge for the corporate capitalist state

He's just doing his job!

and he's utterly clueless about the damage his corporate capitalist masters are doing to Mother Earth...

[GeorgeGist]

217. I wouldn't expect a reasonable person to believe that the President put BP in charge

of fixing the leak because he was clued into their track record of safe operations.

[zipplewrath]

76. And one of them was him

"Obama said "You know, I am furious at this entire situation because this is an example where somebody didn't think through the consequences of their actions. It's imperiling not just a handful of people. This is imperiling an entire way of life and an entire region for potentially years."

And one of those people was himself. When he advocated more drilling in the gulf because the technology was supposedly so safe, he obviously wasn't thinking through the consequences of such an assertion, nor confirming that the assertion was correct. So now he is in a position of having to make us believe that he isn't still part of the problem.

In a way, it's a tad unfair. But it's in the job description. When ya screw up at the "bully pulpit" you get hammered for it every time ya come back.

[obxhead]

134. how very true and painfully ignored during this disaster. nt

[RetroLounge]

186. Right on time

now go cash your DLC paycheck.

:puke:

RL

[MannyGoldstein]

5. You Think Obama's Over His Head/Naive?

I think that he believes that there's a certain class of people who are better than the rest and should be treated differently, with great deference.

So sad. Squandered an astonishing load of good will.

[ProSense]

10. Yeah, he's in over his head

What the hell was he thinking? Hillary was far more prepared, being a seasoned First Lady and all.

This is a tired BS claim.

The President is running this administration better than most people expected, but refuse to admit. They can't come to grips with the fact that he ignores most of their bullshit complainning and focuses on getting things done.

[AllentownJake]

17. Pro

Rarely do you ever adress my "bullshit complaints"

Times make the man, now is his opportunity and I am really pulling for him...despite what you may think.

I care of what my Children think of what I did in 2008, not what polls say in 2010.

[ProSense]

21. Oh brother

"Times make the man, now is his opportunity and I am really pulling for him...despite what you may think."

:rofl:

[AllentownJake]

25. blah blah blah

I'm still waiting for an original thought from you...we got close when the public option died ;-)

BTW I called that in August.

[ProSense]

26. Yeah,

Obama's Armageddon, coming soon...since January 2009.

[AllentownJake]

29. No blue links

Sad..:-(

[ProSense]

30. Stuck for a rebuttal? n/t

[AllentownJake]

32. Have you posted a rebuttal to the OP yet

:rofl:

Seriously, Pro you are in over your head right now. Maybe a Sestak supporting post on being a dumbass, oops I mean a Maverick, for throwing his party under the bus over standard operating procedure would be a better use of your time.

[ProSense]

41. "Maybe a Sestak supporting post " Well you supported Specter

Not exactly a smart move.

Now, back to the OP: "You figured it out yet. Ok, I will let you on a secret. Take the worst Republican in congress, the greediest most ignorant self serving asshole you dealt with in the Senate and mulitply it by 10 and you have what you are dealing with. Take the nastiness, take the back stabbing, and take the sociopathy and you have business in America."

How interesting that you believe that the President is so clueless that this simplistic nonsensical rant is key to his Presidency.

[AllentownJake]

44. I'm a voice in the wildnerness

I stand by my support for Arlen...and I have enough anecdotal evidence because I have honor I won't post on DU to support my belief about Joe.

"They are good businessman"

Enough said.

[ProSense]

48. "I have enough anecdotal evidence because I have honor I won't post on DU

...to support my belief about Joe."

Honor ends right there.

:rofl:

[AllentownJake]

50. Not really

You want details, PM me anytime.

[ProSense]

55. "You want details, PM me anytime."

No thanks.

[AllentownJake]

57. Than I won't tell you what is going in PA politics

I'm a former officer, people cry on my shoulder ;-)

On both sides...of course my paycheck only came from the party once on Mayoral campaign and a State Senate campaign. I'm still not on the payroll like others :-)

[demwing]

125. So that would be a "NO, No rebuttal to the OP yet"

and leave it at that

[lark]

174. Hello , it's already here

unless you don't think destroying the ecology/economy of an entire region is catastrophic? Wake up and drink some coffee, obviously just smelling it doesn't work for you.

[awoke_in_2003]

161. "I'm still waiting for an original thought from you"

I hope you are sitting down in a comfortable chair :)

[tavalon]

123. I see it as a bit of tough love

I believe he is better than he has shown himself to be.

[Mimosa]

221. ^ God help the children ^ n/t

[depakid]

19. Unfortunately, it looks like the verdict is in: pervasive conciliation and conflict aversion

Not the most suitable characteristics for many of the most important aspects of the job.

Say one will about Hillary (I certainly have) but she wouldn't have been the type to have been repeatedly walked on nor succumbed to what in some cases amounted to extortion by the likes of Lieberman.

Not in her nature.

[Knight Hawk]

185. Bingo!

I am not a psychiatrist but I do know something about personality types.Obama is simply not a fire in the belly ,eat you alive ,alpha male type guy.Three D chess will only take you so far ,no matter how cerebral you are or how good you play it.It does not always work against the Netanyahus of the world.I wrote on another blog between the election and the inauguration that I feared that Obama was not tough enough to PUSH (think LBJ) his agenda through.I wrote that in a bar fight I would rather have a McCain with me .I was laughed off the board .LBJ,John and Robert Kennedy were hard as nails .Unless the scientists come up with a "personality transplant" I think we are in for some very rough weather both domestically and especially internationally.

[MindandSoul]

27. Yes! + 100!

[demwing]

84. No one brought up Hillary till you did

and Yes, Obama is in over his head. Not intellectually, but in seeming belief that the other team is playing by the same rules. They are not. They are ruthless and cuthroat. Obama wanted to bring change - but I don't believe he can change the hearts of those in self enduced darkness. There is a time for compromise, a time for bipartisanship, and a time to kick the other guy's ass.

Obama has not shown that he has learned when it's Ass Kick O'clock.

[AllentownJake]

85. Pro brought up everything but the OP

nothing new with Pro.

[Moochy]

118. divert distract flame

lock delete subthread WIN!

[donco6]

145. Lather, rinse, repeat. n/t

We've seen it for years.

[Name removed]

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[Stinky The Clown]

170. Hilary was brought up earlier in this thread.

You're wrong

[demwing]

171. I ran a serach for "Hil" "Hillary" and "Clinton"

the first use was Prosense, on 6/03/2010 at 9:42PM, in post # 10.

I also just went back and re-read posts 0-9. Nada about Hillary.

But, I could still be wrong. Show me.

[Stinky The Clown]

194. It was deleted

It was there.

it was prosense

[demwing]

218. You Are Confused

• I was responding to Prosense when I said "No one Brought Up Hillary Till You Did"
• You challenged that, saying it WAS brought up earlier, by someone else
• I provided evidence (Prosense brought it up in post 10, and there were no mentions of Hillary in posts 0-9).
• You respond with some claim that the post was deleted, forgetting that the posts are numbered, and are all still in existence.
• You then make the utterly remarkable claim that the post which was deleted was written by Prosense.

WTF?

Are you on drugs? Would it make you feel better if you had a Pepsi? Just one Pepsi?

[Name removed]

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[donco6]

114. Trying to hijack the threads again?

Sad.

[lark]

173. Yeah, he ignored the MMS too

and look what happened as a result. Worst man made environmental disaster because HE left all the shrub plants in place to continue making a farce out of any drilling regulations or safety rules. He is the one who ended the drilling moratorium - tell me how ANY of these 3 things speak to competence?

[saracat]

182. Some just can't cope with the fact that more folks agree with the OP than not.

[AllentownJake]

11. Actually I believe something different

I actually would love to have this guy as a neighbor. He's a good man, he believes things he shouldn't about people.

[MannyGoldstein]

15. He Rehired The Entire Clinton Wrecking Crew

Their history was pretty clear. Could he not have known what would come of it?

[Scuba]

73. Clinton wrecking crew?

Well, if budget surplusses are 'wrecking' America, I suppose you're right.

[MannyGoldstein]

78. Bank Deregulation, Almost-Free Trade With China, NAFTA...

The surpluses were a good thing, of course. But, on whole, Clinton's tenure was an awful assault on the Middle Class.

[awoke_in_2003]

165. don't forget welfare reform. nt

[ProudDad]

202. NAFTA, GATT, WTO, giveaway of all media to a few corporations

Let the poor just find a nice freeway overpass...

Right, Slick Willie was the best republican money could buy...

Until this new guy...

[Dr.Phool]

80. Reminds me of my BIL and SIL, who live next door.

Good, decent, friendly, honest people. But, they think everyone else is just like them. And they get fleeced by every con artist that comes along.

[one_voice]

28. What class of people would that be?...

I disagree, I don't think Obama looks at people like that. He was rich when he was growing up, and he has some rough times in different areas. Whether it was financial or "fitting in" or whatever. I don't think he "looks down" on any group of people.

Hell, I'd even say he tried too hard to win over his opposition. They wanted him to fail before he was even inaugurated. And he was always classy about it. I would have told them to fuck off a long time ago, but that's why he's the president and I'm not.

[Bluenorthwest]

151. He does not look down on people? He is against equality

He opposes equal rights for all, because of religious dogma and says that his kind are 'Sanctified by God' and others are not. How do you frame that as not looking down on people?

[eleny]

6. They can unrec but they can't undo the thread kicks

Bite it, unrec crew.

[AllentownJake]

8. Shit

There is a crew around here that see my name and cry.

I love their hatred. Without it, I'm not making any sense.

[Number23]

197. "There is a crew around here that see my name and cry."

When I see you say things like this, it just makes me wonder what is your deal. Do you really have that little going on in your life that you think people here care anything about you or what you post??

I read your OP, was totally unimpressed (as usual) and was going to click out of thread until I saw this post and decided to respond. This type of Billy Badass "I know everything" attitude that you try so desperately to project is just ridiculous and rather pitiful. If you, or I or anyone else on this board stopped posting tomorrow, I sincerely doubt that anyone here would care.

[depakid]

7. BP to go ahead with $10bn shareholder payout

That'll go over about as well as AIG's bonuses.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/03/gulf-oil-spill-bp-dividend

[AllentownJake]

12. Robert Reich is about to be right again

National seizure of BP assets before the play games.

[ProSense]

24. Nuts

Nuts

[ProSense]

16. "That'll go over about as well as AIG's bonuses." No,

what that does it highlight how ridiculous the calls to take BP into receivorship are.

[depakid]

20. ....

:crazy:

[Name removed]

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[ProSense]

203. "clearly ignores the facts in the OP's"

It's a bullshit opinion piece.

:rofl:

[AllentownJake]

224. About as much weight as the propoganda you post

:rofl:

[awoke_in_2003]

163. won't go over well

but nothing will be done about it, and the public will lose interest again- who knows, maybe another blonde girl will probably disappear, that will tie the media up for months

[caledesi]

13. Obama worked on the south side of Chicago...not a nice place! n\t

[AllentownJake]

14. The White Shoe crowd

Might not have gold teeth, but they are 10 times as ruthless. I was the internal policeman, I know.

[caledesi]

45. You know more than most! I never try to second-guess Obama

bec. he is smarter than me. I don't agree w/ him always, He is quiet,but tenacious.

[AllentownJake]

49. People make this odd assumption

That I don't like the man, when a picture of me and than Senator Obama shaking hands hangs on my wall.

I think he has made some serious misreads on the populace and the people in the Oligarchy he has to deal with.

[caledesi]

54. Agree totally. WE don't know what he is thinking. nt

[Admiral Loinpresser]

153. But we know what the adminstration is *doing.*

And it is very bad, mostly. No vision, no leadership and bad legislation. I think he lacks the life experience to be in the bubble.

[GinaMaria]

120. The south side isn't all bad n/t

[Ardent15]

31. K&R

nt

[midnight]

33. I wish you were advising our president.

[AllentownJake]

34. Well I'd offer him all the Yeungling he wants to drink with me

If he ever wanted to sit down.

I can't stand the stuff, growing up with it, it gives me a headache but employs a few cousins so I drink it from time to time.

I'd make the sacrifice for Barack.

[tularetom]

35. He was a community organizer. He's seen low life piece of shit before

and I believe he's smart enough to not be impressed by the fact that some pieces of shit wear expensive suits, drive luxury cars and have degrees from first tier business schools.

He knows what he's doing. I'm smart enough to know WTF is going on. Obama is far smarter than I am. Therefore he too knows WTF is going on.

As much as you want him to be bush, it isn't gonna happen.

[AllentownJake]

37. I want him to be the Barack I met in person in 2008

The guy I campaigned very hard for.

As far as intelligence is concerned, Barack looks for wins/wins. Most of the time they don't exist. He chooses who wins.

[obxhead]

137. It's long past due for him to start choosing US as the winners and

not the corporations. Long past due.

[Ardent15]

36. One thing..."I know you have a decent soul"

Doesn't seem to matter anymore does it. LBJ had a decent soul, yet he escalated Vietnam.

Bill Clinton has a decent soul, yet he signed NAFTA and welfare reform and banking deregulation.

Obama needs to use his decent soul if he has one, not just his head. Much evil is rational. He's been taking the rational, pragmatic, don't rock the boat course for far too long now.

[AllentownJake]

38. Make me President

and in 50 years they will complain about the bodies I left behind.

I drool over the guy on the dime...plenty has been posted about his failures.

[Ardent15]

39. True, however....

At this point, the system is so fucking horrible, and so ingrained, that even the best souls can't do much to undermine it in politics.

I don't think the politicians are going to help us. Not unless we convince them that they need us.

[AllentownJake]

40. The Guilded Age

Times will produce the leader. The President needs to figure out for the future of the nation, whether he is that leader.

[Ardent15]

43. We can't put all our faith in one man

I thought change came from the bottom up, not the top down. At least, that's what one half-Kansan, half-Kenyan Democrat told us. ;)

[AllentownJake]

46. Leaders are symbols

and we are without a rallying point right now.

Vacuums don't remain unfilled for long.

[Ardent15]

51. Usually the President is the last to get the message

Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat in 1955. The Civil Rights Act was signed into law in 1964.

Herbert Hoover didn't get the message, or by the time he did, it was too late for his Presidency to be saved. FDR watched his failures, took careful notes, and knew his ass was on the line.

[AllentownJake]

56. Franklin and Hoover

Intersting story, two men. One a millionaire play boys son and another an adopted orphan.

Hoover's life story makes more to be desired than FDR. Told the Republicans to fuck themselves in the 20s and did a relief effort in Russia for the starving.

FDR kind of an asshole, but loved the populace.

Weird story.

[Ardent15]

58. Harry Truman was the funniest

Loved his bluntness.

Unfortunately, he nuked two cities, but at least he had his heart in the right place.

[AllentownJake]

59. Would have done the same thing in his shoes

An invasion of Japan would have been brutal. Plus demonstrating our new weapon enabled a somewhat peaceful period of 60 years between us and the USSR.

I'd rather two bombs explode than 1,000 which is what would have happened if Truman didn't detonate that bomb in Japan.

Wish our nature dictated that none would be detonated.

[Enthusiast]

75. Exactly.

Not only that but our incendiary raids on Tokyo killed more citizens than the combined effects of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Still, they would not surrender.

[ProudDad]

205. Check your facts, children

The Japanese had already begun surrendering...

The vaporization of a few hundred thousands of yellow people was designed to scare Joe Stalin...

It had NOTHING to do with ending the War in the Pacific...

Check it out...it's in the history books...

[Enthusiast]

225. Someone disagrees so they are children?

What you are saying is in dispute. Everyone doesn't agree with your take on history. IMO, the Japanese would not submit to unconditional surrender. Of course the U.S. had a twofold purpose in dropping the bomb but the Japanese were preparing to meet an invasion.

[Name removed]

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[Javaman]

116. Like I said in another thread...

I'm of the belief that presidents are nothing more than game show hosts.

It's up to use to decide what is behind door #2. Sadly, we are forced to pick, when they know all the answers.

[ooglymoogly]

193. Even though that boat is headed sharply to the right

and will, eventually, fall off the edge of the earth; Along with all the other dead ends in evolution.

[laughingliberal]

47. K & R nt

[Marr]

52. I seriously doubt that Barack Obama is naive.

Those lies he passively accepts from banksters and executives are meant to fool you, not the government. It's kind of like the whole Single Payer debacle-- remember that? The Administration acted like they were open to all ideas, but maneuvered Single Payer into oblivion behind the scenes. The lies and spin are PR.

[ooglymoogly]

191. You have it exact.....

And therein lies the soul of BO.

[grahamhgreen]

60. Step up, Mr. Obama, it's your turn to bat.

[Hawkowl]

61. Well said!

I couldn't agree more! I can only manage a string of obscenities since the oil cataclysm.

[TheKentuckian]

62. I kick but I think it is ideological and he really believes the "stakeholders" of industry

are the heart and soul of the world that makes all of civilization go or he is a figurehead on a leash and has no power to exert to do what is necessary and right.

I hope too but it seems like empty wishes more than any real hope.

[glitch]

133. University of Chicago education apparently hard to get over. .

"Some say" the Law department is more conservative than the Economics, if you can imagine.

[Lorien]

63. I hope that you sent this to the White House.

I'm sure he knows all of this by now, but it's where he stands on it that matters, and what he plans to DO.

[chill_wind]

64. Naive? Naw Jake. Obama: "I didn't campaign on the Public Option." That wasn't naive.

That was just plain politician Lying Your Ass Off, lol.

I'm pretty sure you'll remember that one. (and pretty sure many others would like to forget.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7300576#7300724

[ProSense]

66. See there, he's

naive and shrewd: a liar who can fool people with his smooth speeches, but he's is also predictable and even tempered, and he's being controlled by Rahm.

He's Barack Daddy Spock the Gullible.

:rofl:

[chill_wind]

68. Pro.... I think Jake's playing with you,

but you'll have to check back for sure with him.

[ProSense]

69. I don't believe

I was the inspiration for this thread.

Still, it's been a blast, baseless claims aside.

:rofl:

[chill_wind]

70. I don't believe your were, either.

But I think it's like he said. He hates to be rude when you arrive and ignore you.

[AllentownJake]

77. Oh I know I hit a nerve when Pro doesn't leave a thread nt.

[ProSense]

101. A discussion with you

is like a dangling a fur ball in front of a cat.


:rofl:

[AllentownJake]

107. So HP is laying off domestic workers

because HP hates financial reform

:rofl:

Statistically the month of May was the worse since 1940. Why is a good question. Your answer was ridiculous.

Talking to you is like talking to a small child who believes in Santa. You have to dance around because the belief in Santa cannot be challenged.

[ProSense]

100. That's the problem with some people

they think distortions are facts and hyperbole is cool.

"He hates to be rude when you arrive and ignore you."

You certainly are insightful when it comes to knowing what he is thinking.

This isn't a popularity contest, and I could not care less.

[AllentownJake]

109. I think I'd get more votes for Class President

:rofl:

[veganlush]

129. is there an actual quote in existence

..from the campaign trail where he insists on the public option?

[AllentownJake]

216. Public option entered the lexicon in 2009

He has a description of a public option in his campaign literature and the one thing he was very against was insurance mandates.

:shrug:

[chill_wind]

220. Yes. The citations are in the referenced thread. Sourced by DUers and dated.

He repeatedly called it a "new public plan."

[Hempathy]

65. For someone who claims to be "furious"...he sure doesn't across as such.

He's gotta start kicking a little ass.

Yesterday.

[Union Yes]

67. Hearty K&R! nt

[ripvanodaddyo]

71. Have you figured it out Mr. President?

  This is my first post on this forum.
   It was a challenge to decide which thread might apply to
me.
   I am an Inspector--I 'had' worked for one of the oldest
Inspection agencies in the country.
    Our history linked us with Thomas Edison and "The
First Guideline" as to how electric[thats what we call
it]was to be safely and uniformly installed.And if you still
don't get it-NYBFU.
   I give you this info only to indicate what angle I would
write from.
     I chose to work with a non-profit agency whose goal was
to see that Electric was done correctly-we didn't violate with
an idea of monetary compensation to the company for a
violation fee and a revisit fee.
   We worked to see that work was done correctly and when
violations were not addressed they were issued and a job could
then be shut down--that was because our decisions were
respected and understood to not be issued just to generate
revenue for the agency.
    So how does this story relate to our BP situation.
    Here it is.
     We don't need an FDR,a JFK, A Lincoln ,A Jefferson ,or
even a General George Washington right now.
   You see..,they're people who come along rarely in life.
    We need to realize that this situation is more than
yesterday,..,it is more than today ..,what is it?...,
    It is tommorrow..,but it is literally tomorrow..,it is the
worst case scenario.
    It is what will give us the unfortunate possibility of
seeing our children starve--oh and here is the best...,we get
to die with them.
    To the moderators ...,I'd suggest you do not edit this.
     I believe we need to see what has happened here.
    We are ,unfortunately,about to get a fairly real-time
example of what causing major disruption to the ecosystem that
is our cycle of life ,will result in.
      As I sit here writing this ,I can tell you one thing.
     My concern is for my son..,it is for your daughter,it is
for family.
     I've read the thread titles listed here.
    It is very unfortunate.
    If you wish to make money out of others misery
           [and that will be the worlds misery because we
drilled right into the heart of it you might say] all you need
to do is short sell BP.
    They will bankrupt within the next 2 1/2 weeks--
   That really does not matter.
   We are all guilty.
    We went along with what was easy--it didn't matter who was
in charge ---
    We should 'Man Up' as they say ,WE CAN ALL
-republicans,democrats,conservatives,independents-
    Give ourselves a good pat on the back--we all went along
,we ignored what had been presented to us as a possibility--we
didn't want to mess up what was easy.

     Let Me Tell You.
     You didn't think that things might be different when
drilling into the earths core at 1MILE DEEP?
   Of course not...,then again no one thought that it would be
a piece of cake-to take over four domestic airliners within a
2 hour span and in effect say to us "You're not so
Big".

    And before anyone dares to say anything--let me ask you--
     Did You Race Into the city[NYC] at 9am,all the while
knowing you were about to lose your brother because he was
stuck above the 105th flr--did you also have numerous family
and friends who were responding and knowing their schedules
you knew they were in there also as it all collapsed?
     I'm dissapointed.
   This is not about blame .
    Wake up! 
    This is about life.
    We need an answer--
   How can we stop this'Blow out" before it becomes the
epitaph on our civilization?
    People who don't learn from history are all too likely to
repeat it's mistakes.
     This is not whose fault ,-it is how do we solve.
    And the fact of the matter is anybody who points a finger
instead of attempting to help solve the problem--You should
punch him right in the mouth.
    I'm sayin ' Donkey or Elephant--liberal or
conservative...,it goes on and on[history is a very
intersesting thing]
     it is time to realize that what you do or don't do--
     what you choose to learn so that you know ,...or that you
choose not to learn for yourself 
and just let others feed you because that's easier and less
frightening[and knowledge can be frightening]
   here is the deal--It affects Your Family ---that is your
son,your daughter,your wife,your brothers and sisters and your
mom and dad...,and it affects your friends and their families.
    It is time to think about what matters--what is on CNN is
frankly a joke--that is not where you should look for
information.
   No one will do it for you .You have to use your heads for
yourselves.
   If we continue to roll along as we've been doing....,?
    I'd say we will unfortunately get what we deserve.
    And here is the thing--if it was just me --well I know
that St.Peter will let me in eventually--but I don't want to
risk having my son or wife or anybody's kid left alone to deal
with what we should have never let happen--
    We are supposed to have a conscience--the answer then is
simple
    You follow your Heart--your heart is your soul-it will
usually steer you in the right direction-
   For instance --your heart will remind you
that....,"HEY?? I thought we were going to vote
tonite!"
    It is as simple as always doing what you can to show where
you stand.







   
    








       




    

[Raine]

72. On point

TOTALLY! :thumbsup:

[xchrom]

81. Recommend

[Durtrider]

82. Mad as hell with this administration!

On Day 1 he should of mobilized the Navy. They could of had ships loaded to the railings with booms and skimmers deployed to the site with the manpower to contain the spill better than allowing it to reach any shores.
We mobilize the military for Tsunami's and earthquakes in other countries so why not in this case??
Mad as hell with this administration!

[Richardo]

141. "have"... not "of"

Should HAVE
Could HAVE

[nebenaube]

208. eat it yourself... n/t

[Richardo]

227. Got something against literacy?

[varelse]

83. K&R

[Statistical]

86. Your rant on Buffet is not based on facts.

Berkshire Hathaway doesn't strip companies.

Just some of Berkshire Hathaway's assets.

The irony is that becoming a subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway actually makes the company LESS focused on day to day profit because it no longer has a stock price. They company can focus on generating long term value.

Subsidiaries
Company Sector Ownership % Acquisition Date
Geico Insurance and Finance 100% 1996-08-26 (August 26, 1996)
Applied Underwriters Insurance and Finance 100% 2004-05-22 (May 22, 2004)
General Re Insurance and Finance 100% 1995-12-21 (December 21, 1995)
Kansas Bankers Surety Company Insurance and Finance 100% 1998-04-10 (April 10, 1998)
National Indemnity Company Insurance and Finance 100% 1977-02-23 (February 23, 1977)
United States Liability Insurance Group Insurance and Finance 100% 2000-08-08 <1>
Central States Indemnity Company Insurance and Finance 100% 1982-10-20 (October 20, 1982)
Wesco Financial Corporation Insurance and Finance 80% 1978 <2>
Dairy Queen Food and Beverage 100% 1997-10-21 (October 21, 1997)
The Pampered Chef Food and Beverage 100% 2002-09-23 (September 23, 2002)
See's Candies Food and Beverage 100% 1972-01-03 (January 3, 1972)
Fechheimer Brothers Company Clothing 100% 1986
Fruit of the Loom Clothing 100% 2002-04-30 (April 30, 2002)
Garan Children's Clothing Clothing 100% 2002-09-04 (September 4, 2002)
H.H. Brown Shoe Group Clothing 100% 1991-07-01 (July 1, 1991)
Justin Brands Clothing 100% 2000-08-01 (August 1, 2000)
CORT Business Services Furniture Related 100% 2000-01-14 (January 14, 2000)
Jordan's Furniture Furniture Related 100% 1999-10-11 (October 11, 1999)
Larson-Juhl Furniture Related 100% 2001-12-17 (December 17, 2001)
Nebraska Furniture Mart Furniture Related 90% 1983
RC Willey Home Furnishings Furniture Related 1995 <3>
Star Furniture Furniture Related 100% 1997-07-14 (July 14, 1997)
Acme Brick Company Materials and Construction 100% 2000-08-01 (August 1, 2000)
Benjamin Moore & Co. Materials and Construction 100% 2001-01-01 (January 1, 2001)
Clayton Homes Materials and Construction 100% 2007-05-10 (May 10, 2007)
ISCAR Metalworking Materials and Construction 80% 2006-05-08 (May 8, 2006)
Johns Manville Materials and Construction 100% 2001-02-27 (February 27, 2001)
MiTek Materials and Construction 90% 2001-06-12 <4>
Precision Steel Warehouse, Inc. Materials and Construction 1979 <5>
Shaw Industries Materials and Construction 2002-01-21 <6>
The Buffalo News Media 100% 1977-04 (April, 1977)
Business Wire Media 100% 2006-03-01 (March 1, 2006)
XTRA Corporation Logistics 100% 2001-09-20 (September 20, 2001)
McLane Company Logistics 100% 2003-05-23 (May 23, 2003)
Ben Bridge Jewelers Luxury Items 100% 2000-07-18 (July 18, 2000)
Borsheim's Fine Jewelry Luxury Items 100% 1989
Helzberg Diamonds Luxury Items 100% 1995
Scott Fetzer Companies Other 100% 1985
MidAmerican Energy Holdings Company Utilities 75% 1999-03-26 (March 26, 1999)
NetJets Business Services 100% 1998
NetJets Europe Business Services 100% 1998
FlightSafety Business Services 100% 1997
CTB Inc. Capital Goods 100% 2002
Burlington Northern Santa Fe Corp. Railroads and Logistics 100% 2010-02-12 (February 12, 2010)
Blue Chip Stamps Other 100% 1983-03 (March 1983)

Significant minority holdings
Company Sector Ownership % Acquisition Date
American Express Insurance and Finance 13.1% 2005-08-08 (August 8, 2005)
M&T Bank Insurance and Finance 15.9% of common stock
Anheuser-Busch Food and Beverage 9.8% 2005 (as of end of Q3 2005)
The Coca-Cola Company Food and Beverage 8.64% 2009-06-20 (June 20, 2009)
The Washington Post Company Media 18.1% 2004 (as of end of 2004)
Procter & Gamble Consumer Goods 4.0% 2005 (as of end of 2005)

[AllentownJake]

87. You want to defend Buffet

After his refusing an invitation and being dragged into answer questions the other day to the FCIC by subpoena and his testimony.

By all means, how's trading going for you?

Volatility makes for good gains or crazy losses.

[Statistical]

88. He has no fudicary responsibility to the FCIC.

He could be sued for acting in the interest of anyone but shareholders. It is routine for executives (and even lower level employees) to require a subpoena. Nothing antagonistic about it, rather just checking the block. If he is subpeonaed he has no choice but to comply and thus his fiduciary responsibility are no longer material.

Still you made a claim that Buffet makes money by stripping companies and selling off the parts. The reality couldn't be less true. He had made a fortune by KEEPING companies, especially companies beaten down by the market, taking them private, providing them the necessary resources, and putting them on a long term goal of profitability (rather than chasing daily gains). It also provides the added benefit of protecting the company from shorts. Unless someone wants to try and short Berkshire Hathaway. Checking short interest looks like only 1/5th of 1% of Berkshire stock is held short (not many people want to bet against Buffet).

Speaking of volatility. Buffet is once again the exact opposite. Berkshire Hathaway has a BETA of 0.57. That means its stock movements are roughly half as volatile as the overall market. The again it is only up over 200% in last 14 years. :rofl:

[AllentownJake]

89. You still are defending the system

Interesting.

Dow below 10,000 on the shitty labor report which is inflated anyway on the positive side. Or does Tim and Ben pull something out of their bag.

:-)

Buffet is a nicer pirate in a sea of pirates. Doesn't make him one of the good guys.

[Statistical]

93. I got to retire somehow.

Your claims were false. Still haven't provided anything to substantiate them.
The number of companies (and thus jobs) protected by Berkshire umbrella is substantial.

Berkshire has managed to beat the market over last 3 decades with low volatility, long term investing, and without tricks and gimmicks.

I would say he is one of the good guys. We could use more long term investors working to make companies healthy over the course of decades and less high frequency traders, derivitive masters, and Goldman Sachs of the world.

[AllentownJake]

95. Yet he takes large stakes in Goldman and Moodys

Buffet is a nicer pirate.

[Statistical]

102. "large"? Berkshire Hathaway is a $180B company.

$5B is more like <3%.

[AllentownJake]

104. That is a large stake

So, Warren doesn't lobby congress or the administration for policies that are favorable to his businesses and unfavorable to others is what you are saying.

Was the Goldman defense a month ago part of his fiduciary duty or does he really like those guys.

:shrug:

[Statistical]

108. 3% isn't "large".

Everything is relative. If you have $1000 to invest and put $500 in GS that is a large stake.

If you have $180B in assets ($200B at the time) and put 5% into GS because they offered you an insane premium that isn't a large posistion. A position by Warren testimony he felt he was unlikely to lose money on unless the entire US financial system collapsed.

GS paid a large premium for the PR of having the one and only Warren invest in their company at height of the crisis, a vote of confidence in a troubled market.

[AllentownJake]

110. Appears they still have Warren's support

Despite all evidence they shouldn't. Fiduciary duty or does he like the business model.

[Statistical]

112. Warren isn't a day trader.

If he takes a stake in a company he tends to hold it until conditions change. Also when you buy $5B worth of stock at one time obviously you don't buy it on the market. It is done in a private transaction to avoid massive volatility. Likely there are conditions on how/when/manner in which Berkshire can divest itself of the holding.

Once again 3% is 3% and it isn't "large".
If I spend 3% of my money at Taco Bell one wouldn't consider that a large portion of my budget.
If my taxes are 3% (compared to 10% or 20%) I wouldn't complain taxes are taking up too much of my income.
If I put 3% of my money in Gold I wouldn't say I have a very large gold position.
If the US govt spent 3% of the budget on defense I wouldn't say we have a large defense budget.

[AllentownJake]

113. Statistical

Warren has endorsed their business model...why is he doing that the $5 billion or because he likes it.

Answer that and get back to me on what type of a person Warren really is.

[DevonRex]

90. Jake, were people giving you too much shit for saying that Obama

couldn't just snap his fingers and fix the leak?

[AllentownJake]

92. I endorsed Arlen Specter

Ask me again what I think of what other people think on here ;-)

[DevonRex]

96. Yeah, I saw that. And I agreed with you, too.

Every now and then you shock me, Jake. :hi:

[theophilus]

106. Then why post? Why don't you just leave us to our own devices and peddle

your views to people you care about? Don't you need to spend more time on your blog? I'm sure your choir over there is lonely.

[AllentownJake]

111. Tsk Tsk Tsk

When I have an opinion, what person A, B, or C thinks of my opinion is not a consideration for holding it.

That is what I meant.

[ProudDad]

204. A very busy troll (n/t)

[ecstatic]

91. Now, multiply your insight by 10 and you'll have an idea of what Obama already knows

Except, his insight doesn't lead to kneejerk, erratic behavior.

[AllentownJake]

94. He was a state senator and a US Senator

Other than his stint in Chicago as a kid, when these guys were actually more pleasant, his exposure to these people is on a cocktail circut.

I doubt he has my level of insight onto certain things, and I doubt I have his level of insight into constitutional law.

He is a man, not a God, you do realize that.

[harmonicon]

97. I don't think the president has time to read posts on DU

If you have something to say to him, write a letter to the white house - there's at least a chance he'll read that.

[AllentownJake]

98. It is a form of rhetoric

I doubt he reads the letters on Huffington Post either.

However, you already know that.

[harmonicon]

213. Yeah, that's why I don't read the huffington post

DU is made up of member-generated content, not bullshit by worthless celebrities. I think we could do better than miming their self-important bull-shit preaching-to-the-converted. Maybe I'm wrong. When I have people to address, I address them. I don't hide behind some wall of shit so that everyone can see that my wall of shit doesn't stink as much as some other wall of shit. Rhetoric is an art. Abusing it doesn't help it.

[Moochy]

119. Useless post

[harmonicon]

215. this one of yours? I agree.

My post on the other hand was related to how we deal with one another as a community, which is important. Pretending that our community doesn't exist and that people who could give a shit about our community do otherwise only serves to harm matters.

[Name removed]

103. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MyNameGoesHere]

105. I wonder what repuke will get an admin position

as a result of this. Seems to be a pattern, get slammed by the wingnuts, nominate a repuke to the admin. repukes then slam harder, rinse and repeat

[Javaman]

115. Meh...

He's given a free pass to the pope and now to the Israelis.

Do you honestly think he's going to get this? Or rather, do something?

He's a corp. All presidents are corps. Some more than others, but Obama is turning out to be more corp than most.

He speaks flowery words then shines us on quietly.

A few months ago, he got pissed about something, oh yeah, the recess appointment threats to the repukes, they buckled.

But you see, it was something HE wanted, not what we wanted.

It always appears as if he's doing good by us, then, usually about a week later, we all read that something was done "quietly behind the scenes", that basically pisses us off.

We never figure into the mix anymore. We are just allowed to believe that we are. Our opinions don't matter. They haven't mattered for a long time.

[zonkers]

121. I am so disappointed in the Prez. He is just being owned.

[katandmoon]

122. K&R Bravo! I don't think Obama is capable of figuring it out.

[Richardo]

124. Yeah, he needs you to tell him this.

Thank you for your service.

[AllentownJake]

136. You kids

You really are running out of gas, kind of sad, you were more original in your STFU a couple months ago.

[Richardo]

139. If you want to complain, do so...

...but pretending like you're imparting some valuable insight that the President is somehow unaware of is laughable.

[AllentownJake]

143. It is called Rhetoric

Do you think Teabaggers read Nance's ranting post written in the form of letters to them or any other politician. Not a shot at Nance, she calls it Nance Rants.

Some of you are kind of dense.

[ProSense]

148. This simply fails as an analogy

"Do you think Teabaggers read Nance's ranting post written in the form of letters to them "

At least her rants are premised on facts, things that RW have said and done, their actions. Yours is a big load of steaming assumption


"You figured it out yet. Ok, I will let you on a secret. Take the worst Republican in congress, the greediest most ignorant self serving asshole you dealt with in the Senate and mulitply it by 10 and you have what you are dealing with. Take the nastiness, take the back stabbing, and take the sociopathy and you have business in America.... Use your fucking head now."

Your assumption: The President is clueless.

"Some of you are kind of dense."

There is that self-rigtheousness that likely prompted the OP.

[TheKentuckian]

164. Clueless is being nice, I say complicit.

[Richardo]

154. Rhetoric can still be laughable.

Especially when coupled with name-calling. Not exactly selling your sophisticated worldview there.

[AllentownJake]

155. Who ever said I have a sophisticated world view?

There are those that have and those that don't and there is a struggle between the two. Those that have much want more and are willing to take from those that have little

We also have sociopaths running around who will destroy anything for their own purposes. We've always had these people.

My views are actually pretty old, and not very sophisticated.

[Richardo]

219. It is called Sarcasm

Some of you are kind of dense.

[AllentownJake]

223. I think it is rather an accurate world view

The sophistication you speak of was developed by those with much to confuse those with little.

Story as old as the first city state.

As far as being dense, I think you were number 3 of the President won't read this crowd.

[MissDeeds]

126. K&R

:kick:

[Kweli4Real]

127. Do you think ...

Do you think that our President knows and understands this; but is attempting to get the American people to understand?

Bottomline, as much as we, on the left, don't want to acknowledge this, it is the President's job to be "on everyone's side" and that includes the side of corporation. It is his job to find the middle ground between what you want and what those that oppose you want. It is his job to move this country. And in a democracy movement will be incremental and necessitates compromises.

[JNelson6563]

130. I am sure you know much more and are way smarter than he.

Let us hope he has the sense to thank his diety of choice for your wise words of wisdom.

Julie

[AllentownJake]

135. Is that all you kids got these days

Seriously you are the 4th person with that STFU response.

You kids are running out of gas.

[JNelson6563]

140. I'm not telling you to STFU

I'm pointing out that the President has a lot more info and is probably smarter. So many act as though he is an idiot and knows nothing. Cracks me up.

Julie

[AllentownJake]

142. More information probably

More intelligent highly likely. Ability to make stupid decisions even with that advantage, highly likely.

[JNelson6563]

209. Unlike you who would only make wise decisions. N'ary a mistake!

It most be so annoying for you to watch things play out for these mortals!

[AllentownJake]

214. Didn't say that

I think I said he is human. I'm not the one who has a God complex about this man.

[jpak]

132. what a stupid post

yawn

[blindpig]

138. You're wasting your breath

The man has been vetted by these same monsters and found acceptable, there is no recourse there.

[ProSense]

150. "You're wasting your breath"

"The man has been vetted by these same monsters and found acceptable"

You expected the President to see this OP, and find value in it?

[blindpig]

156. No, I'd expect him to scoff if he did see it.

The President knows exactly who he's dealing with, he ain't stupid.

Utterly compromised by Capital but not stupid.

[ProSense]

160. "The President knows exactly who he's dealing with, he ain't stupid."

Well, that just refutes the entire point of the OP.

[blindpig]

167. Perhaps

but it makes mine.

[mikita]

183. +100 n/t

[inna]

187. Thanks.

I personally thought the OP was lame and intelligence-insulting drivel.

[maryf]

188. +1

thanks, I needed to smile...

[ProSense]

206. Great, that makes

two irrelevant points.

[quiet.american]

144. This would have been a better post if it was actually a rebuttal to fact.

But it makes for a nice heartfelt rant, I guess.

[AllentownJake]

146. My detail level post

Generally go over like lead balloons. I will shift to rhetoric when I have a point as well.

[quiet.american]

147. Jake - what is your point here, actually? nt

[blueworld]

152. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but I might understand a little

As usual with this President, when he steps up to the plate to get something done he does it in effective, creative and forceful ways. Once he was "on the scene", so-to-speak, BP started whining, apologizing & backing off much of their aggressive BS. Not to say they aren't lying bastids, but they knew quickly they were in the spotlight.

The problem with this leak, IMHO, is that the President didn't seem to go front & center quickly enough. I wonder (frequently) if this isn't because of the pissant useless advice he gets from Rahm who is only concerned with counting Congressional seats won/lost as if it were a freakin' football game. Was Obama advised to leave it to the diverse departments? If so, it was horrific watching them trying to find their own asses for over a month. Not Obama's FAULT per se, but certainly his ultimate responsibility. I hope that's the only issue; I hope the pattern won't be repeated in future.

Anyway, as I said, Pres. Obama delivers impressive results when he ultimately picks up the issue & steps out in the public eye. Now I personally wish that he'd rip some new orifices in his WH staff so that he is correctly informed on what is actually going on. Or replace a few of the lemmings so he can be sure of a shrewd assessment. Just my 2 cents.

[liberation]

158. Holy tap dancing cult to personality replies bat man!

So just plain benefit of the doubt towards the President is not enough? Some demand blind allegiance I see.


F*cking creepy if you ask me, what the f*ck is going on here?

[ProSense]

159. More ridiculous hyperbole.

"cult to personality replies"

The OP is ridiculous.

"Some demand blind allegiance I see...F*cking creepy if you ask me, what the f*ck is going on here?"

Sounds like bullshit 2008 talking points, and the last part is simply weird.

[liberation]

168. huh? all those words just to let me know that "hyperbole" does not mean what you think it means?

What a waste of bandwidth.

Kudos to whoever wrote this script... LOL

[ooglymoogly]

196. Pot meet kettle

[Aramchek]

162. Concern, ahoy!!

[Demeter]

166. I'd recommend this, but

:rofl: I'm otherwise occupied.

[swilton]

172. Your post makes an assumption

that the president wants to figure it out - I would argue that he figured it out a long time ago....follow the money.

[texastoast]

175. Children!

Here's the deal.

No one who has had any dealings with oil company executives thinks they can be trusted to do anything except make a dollar, no matter what earning that dollar takes.

They poison people, aquifers, and animals. They will murder indigenous peoples to be able to drill a mother lode.

And oil company executives are not alone. The coal and metal mining companies are just the same.

They rape. They pillage. They long-term destroy. And they have a L-O-N-G history of doing it.

Check out "Bush's base" and you will have the real rulers of this land.

[blindpig]

176. Exactly

You dance with thems thats brung ya.

Pay no attention to pretty words, look at the actions, the hiring of Salazar, Gates, the health care betrayal, the prioritizing of Wall St over the people....the conclusion is inevitable

Kill Capitalism

[maryf]

189. Zbigniew

as one of his first advisors, for chrissakes...did no one pay attention?

[blindpig]

226. Yeah, the wannbe Kissinger...

boy, was that a red flag.

Well, a few had it figured from the gitgo, Paul Street for one, and there was this guy who used to be around here, a ghost of portent, who had it nailed from day one.

[maryf]

228. We need to haunt this place...

with that portentous ghost's spirit...All need to be haunted by the spirit of truth...

Complacency, fear of loss are other points that need to haunt folks...

Question for all: Is your comfort level able to survive the truth? If you aren't angry, then probably not...

[Starbucks Anarchist]

177. Thank God you're there to hold his hand.

Whatever would he do without you, Jake? Otherwise, he's just as clueless as Bush. :eyes:

[AllentownJake]

211. Bush was not clueless

Him and his Vice President knew very well what they were doing.

[ut oh]

178. More like multiply it times 100...

It's time more politicians pulled their heads out of the sand...

[robdogbucky]

179. This just in - another BP/CG/Gulf Governors lie

put to rest by lab testing:

(06-04) 12:27 PDT Baton Rouge, La. (AP) --

Lab tests confirm underwater layers of Gulf oil
By CAIN BURDEAU, Associated Press Writer

Friday, June 4, 2010

"Scientists with the University of South Florida say laboratory tests have confirmed that oil from a spewing Gulf of Mexico well has accumulated in at least two extensive plumes deep underwater.

The researchers said in Baton Rouge on Friday that tests confirmed their initial findings that were based on field instruments. BP PLC CEO Tony Hayward has said there was no evidence of large underwater plumes.

The researchers say the extensive layers of oil are sitting far beneath the surface miles from the site of the Deepwater Horizon explosion. The university is collecting data for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

The lab tests are the most conclusive evidence yet in a vigorous scientific debate about where much of the oil is ending up."




Another lie from BP, agreed to by the CG, and of course, the lying Pub govs in the area. No underwater plume, my ass.



Just my dos centavos


robdogbucky

[ut oh]

180. More like multiply it times 100...

Would be nice if more politicians pulled their heads out of the sand... but it wouldn't be good for 'their personal' bottom line either...

[defendandprotect]

184. k

[katty]

190. o i think he has known that for sometime now

[NorCalDem]

198. Good post Jake

also, just curiously, are you "AllentownJake" by way of Allentown, Pennsylvania??

Allentown is my home town, although I live outside of San Francisco now. My family is still there, including my twin brother. Say "what up" to him if you see someone who looks like me...

:D

[SILVER__FOX52]

199. Can you imagine....

if the President really " got it ".

[notesdev]

207. No, really I couldn't

On issue after issue he has shown how completely out of touch he is.

This is an unprecedented national ecological disaster and he fiddles while our ecosystem burns.

At a time when we are desperately in need of real leadership, he demonstrates day after day that he is uninterested in providing it.

[Drunken Irishman]

200. I read this as: Have you fingered our Mr. President...

:o

[Divine Discontent]

222. ha. well you aint drunken for nothin! ;)

[spooked911]

210. Obama carries water for the powers that be-- he's a charismatic figurehead

end of story.